What does it mean to be pro gun?

[Guy Incognito]

Does a person need to like guns in order to support a fundamental individual right to own firearms, in your opinion?

I personally do not care for guns and I do not think it is wise to own one. However, I am a radical supporter of gun rights. I think every individual should have an unrestricted right to own firearms, up to and including fully automatic firearms. I do not believe in background checks nor restrictions for people with mental disorders. I believe that US law under the Supreme Court decision in Heller requires this, since gun ownership is a fundamental right, and I enthusiastically support this and I vociferously oppose any regulation of gun ownership, ammo restrictions, etc.

Am I "pro gun" in your opinion?

 

[X Factor]

I think you tend to be whatever you think will annoy the most people.

 

[jamesrage]

Does a person need to like guns in order to support a fundamental individual right to own firearms, in your opinion?

Nope.

I personally do not care for guns and I do not think it is wise to own one. However, I am a radical supporter of gun rights. I think every individual should have an unrestricted right to own firearms, up to and including fully automatic firearms. I do not believe in background checks nor restrictions for people with mental disorders. I believe that US law under the Supreme Court decision in Heller requires this, since gun ownership is a fundamental right, and I enthusiastically support this and I vociferously oppose any regulation of gun ownership, ammo restrictions, etc.

Am I "pro gun" in your opinion?

Anyone who shares that opinion is pro-2nd amendment. Being pro-gun and pro-2nd amendment are not the same thing. Dictators, anti-2nd amendment politicians, certan wealthy people and other 'elite' are pro-gun when it comes to themselves or the people that guard their asses. But those same people will do everything in their power to ensure that you the average law abiding citizen can not own a gun, or that it is nearly impossible to own a gun or if they do allow you to own a gun then it is severely restricted as to what kind you can get or that you have to jump through all sorts of hoops in order to get a gun.

 

[Guy Incognito]

I think you tend to be whatever you think will annoy the most people.

False. Please do not be insulting and either answer the questioned posed in poor stay quiet.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That is a bit "out there" as far as requiring absolute freedom or none at all. There comes a point, using that argument, that we must decide to lock up dangerous or crazy folks permanently, rather than simply try to limit their freedom (deny them gun rights) to better ensure public safety. IMHO, it is better to restrict the gun rights of those convicted of felonies and those adjudged to be mentally incompetent than to allow them either absolute freedom or to deny them all freedom forever.

 

[X Factor]

False. Please do not be insulting and either answer the questioned posed in poor stay quiet.

You asked and I was actually being sincere. You've made yourself the focus of this thread and my honest answer is that I don't really know how you genuinely feel about guns or anything else.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Nope.


Anyone who shares that opinion is pro-2nd amendment. Being pro-gun and pro-2nd amendment are not the same thing. Dictators, anti-2nd amendment politicians, certan wealthy people and other 'elite' are pro-gun when it comes to themselves or the people that guard their asses. But those same people will do everything in their power to ensure that you the average law abiding citizen can not own a gun, or that it is nearly impossible to own a gun or if they do allow you to own a gun then it is severely restricted or that you have to jump through all sorts of hoops in order to get a gun.

Hey, great points mr. Rage. I am not a hypocrite who would support bodyguards for myself while denyin others the same right to use guns in self defense. I think all people should have the unrestricted right to own and use guns of any sort for any lawful purpose (assuming we're talking about just laws, for example a law prohibiting open carry would be illegitimate and a violation of the fundamental right). I look at gun rights as a sort of propery right, and every bit as a sacred as freedom of speech.

Gun rights are an importan civil liberty, just like any other. This is my big beef win the ACLU, their failure to support civil liberties they happen not to like. When I comes to speech and religion the ACLU is great. Now if they just applies the same seal to gun rights they would be a real libertarian organization:thumbs:

 

[Guy Incognito]

You asked and I was actually being sincere. You've made yourself the focus of this thread and my honest answer is that I don't really know how you genuinely feel about guns or anything else.

You have my position outlined in op, and you have flagrantly mischaracterized it. You are attacking a straw man and just trying to get a rise out of me. I repeat, either respond politely to the op or don't respond at all.

 

[Redress]

I think you tend to be whatever you think will annoy the most people.

False. Please do not be insulting and either answer the questioned posed in poor stay quiet.

Moderator's Warning:

Take it elsewhere you two. Keep to the topic here and don't tell each other what to do.

 

[Neosteve]

progun, isn't that a military commander in Japan a long time ago? Oops, that is Shogun, my bad.

 

[Guy Incognito]

That is a bit "out there" as far as requiring absolute freedom or none at all. There comes a point, using that argument, that we must decide to lock up dangerous or crazy folks permanently, rather than simply try to limit their freedom (deny them gun rights) to better ensure public safety. IMHO, it is better to restrict the gun rights of those convicted of felonies and those adjudged to be mentally incompetent than to allow them either absolute freedom or to deny them all freedom forever.

Well, I freely admit that I am radically pro gun. I think you can support things like restrictions tithe mentally I'll and still be "pro gun," but I find such a position to me an odious infringement on civil liberties.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well, I freely admit that I am radically pro gun. I think you can support things like restrictions tithe mentally I'll and still be "pro gun," but I find such a position to me an odious infringement on civil liberties.

Only if due process is left out of the mix (if a doctor could add you to the official loony list w/o a fair hearing/trial). I agree that it might be fun to watch some really crazy folks walking the streets, hearing voices, seeing visions and carrying guns from afar, yet it would likely be far less entertaining if in their direct line of fire.

 

[Fisher]

Does a person need to like guns in order to support a fundamental individual right to own firearms, in your opinion?

I personally do not care for guns and I do not think it is wise to own one. However, I am a radical supporter of gun rights. I think every individual should have an unrestricted right to own firearms, up to and including fully automatic firearms. I do not believe in background checks nor restrictions for people with mental disorders. I believe that US law under the Supreme Court decision in Heller requires this, since gun ownership is a fundamental right, and I enthusiastically support this and I vociferously oppose any regulation of gun ownership, ammo restrictions, etc.

Am I "pro gun" in your opinion?

I think you are a liberal socialist anarchist myself...........but sure you are pro-gun--those come in handy to accelerate the anarchy :stooges

 

[American]

Is there a scale of being pro-gun? I mean is radically pro-gun more pro-gun than pro-gun? If I say I'm pro-gun, am I less pro-gun than someone who is radically pro-gun?

 

[Guy Incognito]

Is there a scale of being pro-gun? I mean is radically pro-gun more pro-gun than pro-gun? If I say I'm pro-gun, am I less pro-gun than someone who is radically pro-gun?

Yes I think so. A radical is somebody who goes as far as you can go. People like Wayne lapierre are ostensibly "pro gun" but he also supports a gun ban for the so called mentally ill. He is pro gun but not radically so.

 

[Guy Incognito]

I think you are a liberal socialist anarchist myself...........but sure you are pro-gun--those come in handy to accelerate the anarchy :stooges

I am a geolibertarian minarchist capitalist, actually.

 

[Guy Incognito]

progun, isn't that a military commander in Japan a long time ago? Oops, that is Shogun, my bad.

Hey-oh!

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Does a person need to like guns in order to support a fundamental individual right to own firearms, in your opinion?

I personally do not care for guns and I do not think it is wise to own one. However, I am a radical supporter of gun rights. I think every individual should have an unrestricted right to own firearms, up to and including fully automatic firearms. I do not believe in background checks nor restrictions for people with mental disorders. I believe that US law under the Supreme Court decision in Heller requires this, since gun ownership is a fundamental right, and I enthusiastically support this and I vociferously oppose any regulation of gun ownership, ammo restrictions, etc.

Am I "pro gun" in your opinion?

Sounds to me like you're pro-freedom, but anti-gun. I've heard you say elsewhere that "the whole point of libertarianism is that I support your right to do what I think is stupid" or something to that effect.

You've called gun owners crazy, openly hate guns because "they're dangerous" (Which is the point to me, I certainly hope my guns aren't harmless) and spoke antagonistically to those you called "pro-gun" so obviously you're not one of us. But to me you are a patriot who is pro-2nd Amendment but Anti-Gun, may posterity remember that you were our countrymen.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Sounds to me like you're pro-freedom, but anti-gun. I've heard you say elsewhere that "the whole point of libertarianism is that I support your right to do what I think is stupid" or something to that effect.

You've called gun owners crazy, openly hate guns because "they're dangerous" (Which is the point to me, I certainly hope my guns aren't harmless) and spoke antagonistically to those you called "pro-gun" so obviously you're not one of us. But to me you are a patriot who is pro-2nd Amendment but Anti-Gun, may posterity remember that you were our countrymen.

Well I appreciate your opinion. I guess it all depends on the sense of the phrase pro gun, however you are using it. I am pro gun rights, but I am not a fan of guns by any means. But I have always taken "pro gun" to be a political position on guns, so in that sense I am pro gun, or as you say, pro freedom.

Thanks for a level headed critique:thumbs:

 

[TurtleDude]

you are not pro gun Guy. Your comments about guns are extremely inane, dishonest and factually bankrupt. You claim that the second amendment was not intended to recognize the natural right of individuals to be armed. That is a falsehood. You claim that owning guns for recreational purposes is foolish and dangerous-again that is moronic. And your claim that gun ownership (including legal) does more harm than good is idiotic.

 

[SMTA]

you are not pro gun Guy. Your comments about guns are extremely inane, dishonest and factually bankrupt. You claim that the second amendment was not intended to recognize the natural right of individuals to be armed. That is a falsehood. You claim that owning guns for recreational purposes is foolish and dangerous-again that is moronic. And your claim that gun ownership (including legal) does more harm than good is idiotic.

I'll second that opinion.

I could care less about the OP's opinion, and feel safer having him on the anti side.

All he does is pot stir, and adds no value to discussions at all.

 

[Sarcogito]

I am not pro-gun. Personally, I dislike guns. I have received extensive training with them and in the course of my job I have often been required to carry them. And once I am a civilian I can envision scenarios in which I may still opt to own something simple like a revolver for protection. But I wouldn’t be happy about it. I would be just fine with every gun on the planet disappearing.

That said, as long as bad guys and governments have access to weapons I will remain adamantly pro-2nd Amendment.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am not pro-gun. Personally, I dislike guns. I have received extensive training with them and in the course of my job I have often been required to carry them. And once I am a civilian I can envision scenarios in which I may still opt to own something simple like a revolver for protection. But I wouldn’t be happy about it. I would be just fine with every gun on the planet disappearing.

That said, as long as bad guys and governments have access to weapons I will remain adamantly pro-2nd Amendment.

that's an honest take

if guns were to disappear, 20 year olds who apprenticed in reform school would rule the world. I like shooting sports. its something my son and I spend a great deal of time doing together-my wife often joins us.

 

[Guy Incognito]

safer having him on the anti side.

Regardless of what makes you feel safe, I am on the gun rights side, and will remain so. I encourage you to have the moral resolve to truly support gun rights and cease any support for any gun restrictions whatsoever. You seem to covet safety, but your instinctual need for safety should not dictate you political beliefs-- reason should.

 

[Guy Incognito]

I am not pro-gun. Personally, I dislike guns. I have received extensive training with them and in the course of my job I have often been required to carry them. And once I am a civilian I can envision scenarios in which I may still opt to own something simple like a revolver for protection. But I wouldn’t be happy about it. I would be just fine with every gun on the planet disappearing.

That said, as long as bad guys and governments have access to weapons I will remain adamantly pro-2nd Amendment.

As a matter of definition we are both "pro gun."

That definition according to Websters is: "favoring the right to own guns and opposing legislation restricting this right <the progun lobby>" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progun

So, as a matter of definition, one does not need to like guns to be pro gun. We are, in fact, pro gun by virtue of being pro second amendment.