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We have a Spending Problem, NOT a tax revenue problem

what percent the wealthy pay of all income tax collected by the Fed. govt. isn't the issue.

the issue is whether or not people are paying their fair share, based on their income.

the lower your income, the less you can afford to pay in taxes and the less tax rate you should pay.

the higher your income, the more you can afford to pay in taxes and the higher tax rate you should pay.

its logic. its common sense. most of the developed world understands this.

but somehow, the GOP wants to act like natives in the bush, who can't understand such basic concepts.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
What diversion? You said the GAO said 9/11 cost a trillion dollars. They didn't say that. I just showed you what they really said and what they really said is nowhere close to what you claimed they said.

Let me make a note of this in my Conservative-to-English dictionary ... proving Conservative wrong is called a "diversion."

There ... how does this look ... ?

diversion dih-vur-zhuhn
noun
1. The act of proving Conservative wrong.​
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:mrgreen::allhail
 
Thunder said:
what percent the wealthy pay of all income tax collected by the Fed. govt. isn't the issue.

the issue is whether or not people are paying their fair share, based on their income.

the lower your income, the less you can afford to pay in taxes and the less tax rate you should pay.

the higher your income, the more you can afford to pay in taxes and the higher tax rate you should pay.

its logic. its common sense. most of the developed world understands this.

but somehow, the GOP wants to act like natives in the bush, who can't understand such basic concepts.
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0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
randel said:
:mrgreen::allhail
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0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
Conservative said:
0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
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LoLz. When you can't counter an argument, evade!
 
Redress said:
LoLz. When you can't counter an argument, evade!
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Evade what? liberals evade and divert, I post facts. This is the Obama record, maybe you ought to try and focus on the lack of leadership by this President. You can run from his record but not hide from it. Your liberal President is an empty suit and a one termer. Socialism doesn't sell in this country regardless of the vocal leftwing nuts that are defending him.

0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
Conservative said:
0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
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dude, you should just retire from this thread, it is the same ol' story, you evade what has been asked of you, or attempt to divert and change the subject...as usual, sheik has owned your arse in this thread, and redress has you figured out as well.....
 
Thunder said:
what percent the wealthy pay of all income tax collected by the Fed. govt. isn't the issue.

the issue is whether or not people are paying their fair share, based on their income.

the lower your income, the less you can afford to pay in taxes and the less tax rate you should pay.

the higher your income, the more you can afford to pay in taxes and the higher tax rate you should pay.
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Then you must be very pleased with the current system, since this is how it works. Yet we still have historic deficits. Hmm... very strange.

but somehow, the GOP wants to act like natives in the bush, who can't understand such basic concepts.
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This reveals a bit of character, insulting Natives like this. In fact I bet if you spent some time studying Native culture you'd find out they understand more about basic concepts than you or I do. This was an extremely lame, racist comment and you should be embarrassed.
 
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Then you must be very pleased with the current system, since this is how it works. Yet we still have historic deficits. Hmm... very strange.
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yes, it is strange that the maximum Federal income tax rate has been steadily going down since the 1960s.

the less we tax the rich, the less we will get in tax-revenue from them.

why is this soo difficult for some to understand?
 
Thunder said:
yes, it is strange that the maximum Federal income tax rate has been steadily going down since the 1960s.

the less we tax the rich, the less we will get in tax-revenue from them.

why is this soo difficult for some to understand?
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Your previous post that I quoted advocated for tax rates that describe the current system. So you are happy with the current system, yes? The more money you make the higher your tax rate. You must be pleased...

What about the comment about natives? Are you gonna backtrack and apologize for your racist remark, or are you hoping we glaze over it?
 
IT amazing that some people assume that raising taxes on the rich has no secondary or tertiary effects. They are too ignorant to understand that fact or realize that tax revenues went up when bush CUT TAXES while tax revenues DECREASED when Clinton jacked up the luxury tax rates
 
TurtleDude said:
IT amazing that some people assume that raising taxes on the rich has no secondary or tertiary effects. They are too ignorant to understand that fact or realize that tax revenues went up when bush CUT TAXES while tax revenues DECREASED when Clinton jacked up the luxury tax rates
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Oh dear god no the caviar business might take a hit and then we will be over populated with Russian sturgeons:roll:
 
Beluga, and other Russian sturgeons, are endangered species.
 
randel said:
dude, you should just retire from this thread, it is the same ol' story, you evade what has been asked of you, or attempt to divert and change the subject...as usual, sheik has owned your arse in this thread, and redress has you figured out as well.....
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0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
through the last 60 years, how has the budget deficit: FIT revenue ration compared to the decrease in the maximum FIT rate?

how much you wanna bet the ratio of budget deficit to FIT revenue is negatively proportional to tax-rate decreases?

I'm sure that as the max. FIT goes down, our yearly deficit to yearly tax-revenue ratio goes up..up..up.

the lower the max. tax rate goes..the bigger our deficit gets.

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Thunder said:
ahh, I see. you wish to derail the thread.
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I have infinitely greater respect for Native Americans than I do for the GOP, so when you seek to insult the GOP by comparing them to Natives, that's not only a sh*tty comparison, it's despicable. If you had simply made some sort of mea culpa statement, there would be no derailment. It'd be a quick concession of the point. But you're being evasive and dragging the issue on, refusing to own up to the pathetic remark. Just admit you made a dumbass racist comment and we can move on.
 
Redress said:
Holy misleading, dishonest comment. The amount of taxes paid by the wealthy, as a percentage of their income, is at historic(mostly) lows. They are paying a larger share, as a group, because they are making a larger share of income, as a group.
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that's not misleading at all. we have tilted the tax burden heavily onto our upper earners. we are now at the point where they aren't just paying their fair share - they are paying our fair as well, and giving us an extra slice of the top besides.


as for nominal tax rates, they have very little effect on revenue. if you want to raise revenue, raising nominal tax rates is a fools errand - you have to boost GDP.
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh dear god no the caviar business might take a hit and then we will be over populated with Russian sturgeons:roll:
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whenever you run out of your standard left wing responses that actually are not filled with class envy you resort to obvious spite towards anyone who is more prosperous than you are.

that's why I tend to reject the facades people like you throw up that pretend your welfare-socialist cravings are motivated by the "greater good". It is obvious your posts are based on spite and envy as evidenced by such nonsense about caviar.

How many people who build yachts lost their jobs due to clinton's class war luxury tax hikes. As them if they find your silly comments useful.
 
cpwill said:
that's not misleading at all. we have tilted the tax burden heavily onto our upper earners. we are now at the point where they aren't just paying their fair share - they are paying our fair as well, and giving us an extra slice of the top besides.


as for nominal tax rates, they have very little effect on revenue. if you want to raise revenue, raising nominal tax rates is a fools errand - you have to boost GDP.
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Redress confuses tax rates with tax burden
 
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