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It wasn't bullcrap. There was certainly an element of political expediency to it since there existed the potential that the answers it sought to find as to who and why had the possible potential to push us toward war with an adversary with whom we had come perilously close to coming to blows with just one year earlier. So yes there was a lot riding on it. And really given the circumstances this was an incredibly extensive investigation that interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of potential witnesses throughout the entire nation and the world in a relatively speaking short period of time. They didn't spare any expense either. It was important.We all know the 'official' investigation into the killing was bullcrap so why would you so easily accept the 'official' report that oswald was the lone shooter?
Actually there isn't any evidence of Oswald ever having any personal or political/ideological animosity toward President Kennedy. His wife Marina was a big fan of JFK. Mostly because of Jackie. They kept a copy of a Life magazine, or some other publication that had extensively featured John and Jackie Kennedy prominently displayed in their living room. Oswald, who was known to be very controlling of his wife Marina, never voiced any objection to her whatsoever in regard to her admiration for the Kennedys. Also Lee Oswald, according to his brother Robert, was not really a truly political person. " He wasn’t political. He really wasn’t. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. When he returned to the United States, he didn’t want to be a Russian. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was … he wanted to be accepted. He wasn’t political. He was what’s convenient to be. " Robert also described his brother as probably being the ultimate pragmatist. " He’s going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish … what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. That’s what it comes down to — he wanted to be unique, by whatever it took…" Oswald had delusions of grandeur. He fancied himself as being, or destined to be, a historical or exceptional person or figure. Kennedy was simply the vehicle through which he could obtain the "unique" fame or notoriety he so desperately sought and desired to obtain.My thinking goes like this presuming oswald is indeed the shooter. I'm out to kill the president because I'm a communist lunatic who thinka kennedy is evil.
Quite the stretch. He decided to kill a guy he had no beef with and whose wife was a big fan of kennedy. Makes sense to me.It wasn't bullcrap. There was certainly an element of political expediency to it since there existed the potential that the answers it sought to find as to who and why had the possible potential to push us toward war with an adversary with whom we had come perilously close to coming to blows with just one year earlier. So yes there was a lot riding on it. And really given the circumstances this was an incredibly extensive investigation that interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of potential witnesses throughout the entire nation and the world in a relatively speaking short period of time. They didn't spare any expense either. It was important.
Actually there isn't any evidence of Oswald ever having any personal or political/ideological animosity toward President Kennedy. His wife Marina was a big fan of JFK. Mostly because of Jackie. They kept a copy of a Life magazine, or some other publication that had extensively featured John and Jackie Kennedy prominently displayed in their living room. Oswald, who was known to be very controlling of his wife Marina, never voiced any objection to her whatsoever in regard to her admiration for the Kennedys. Also Lee Oswald, according to his brother Robert, was not really a truly political person. " He wasn’t political. He really wasn’t. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. When he returned to the United States, he didn’t want to be a Russian. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was … he wanted to be accepted. He wasn’t political. He was what’s convenient to be. " Robert also described his brother as probably being the ultimate pragmatist. " He’s going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish … what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. That’s what it comes down to — he wanted to be unique, by whatever it took…" Oswald had delusions of grandeur. He fancied himself as being, or destined to be, a historical or exceptional person or figure. Kennedy was simply the vehicle through which he could obtain the "unique" fame or notoriety he so desperately sought and desired to obtain.
It wasn't bullcrap. There was certainly an element of political expediency to it since there existed the potential that the answers it sought to find as to who and why had the possible potential to push us toward war with an adversary with whom we had come perilously close to coming to blows with just one year earlier. So yes there was a lot riding on it. And really given the circumstances this was an incredibly extensive investigation that interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of potential witnesses throughout the entire nation and the world in a relatively speaking short period of time. They didn't spare any expense either. It was important.
Actually there isn't any evidence of Oswald ever having any personal or political/ideological animosity toward President Kennedy. His wife Marina was a big fan of JFK. Mostly because of Jackie. They kept a copy of a Life magazine, or some other publication that had extensively featured John and Jackie Kennedy prominently displayed in their living room. Oswald, who was known to be very controlling of his wife Marina, never voiced any objection to her whatsoever in regard to her admiration for the Kennedys. Also Lee Oswald, according to his brother Robert, was not really a truly political person. " He wasn’t political. He really wasn’t. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. When he returned to the United States, he didn’t want to be a Russian. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was … he wanted to be accepted. He wasn’t political. He was what’s convenient to be. " Robert also described his brother as probably being the ultimate pragmatist. " He’s going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish … what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. That’s what it comes down to — he wanted to be unique, by whatever it took…" Oswald had delusions of grandeur. He fancied himself as being, or destined to be, a historical or exceptional person or figure. Kennedy was simply the vehicle through which he could obtain the "unique" fame or notoriety he so desperately sought and desired to obtain.
People lie for a variety of reasons.
He tried to kill Kennedy's most vocal opponent, General Walker, just months earlier. So how would that seem to fit with your perception of him? You're not understanding the psychoses driving Oswald. Who it was, or what their politics or ideology was. Those things were essentially inconsequential as far as he was concerned. What mattered only to Oswald was that his victim be a figure of such high stature and import that the act of taking that person down would confer that high stature and import upon him. Mostly Oswald was a misfit, a somewhat malleable figure who wanted more than anything to make a statement, to be seen as an important person. His rifle gave him the chance. When fate delivered Kennedy and his chance at 'greatness' practically right into his lap, there was just no way he was going to pass that opportunity up.Quite the stretch. He decided to kill a guy he had no beef with and whose wife was a big fan of kennedy. Makes sense to me.
My basis is I believe oswald when he said he's just a patsy.True... but my question is if there is any countervailing evidence to disprove Frazier's testimony? There's plenty of supporting evidence, as I outlined above. So if you're going to question what the man said under oath, shouldn't you have some sound basis for doing so?
My basis is I believe oswald when he said he's just a patsy.
I already told you, I believe oswald was a patsy.Based on what, though?
The prisons are filled with innocent men. Don't believe me? Just go ask'em.
I already told you, I believe oswald was a patsy.
But you can't back up that belief anymore with evidence or facts anymore than you can back up a simple belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.I already told you, I believe oswald was a patsy.
That's your prerogative. From what I've seen, heard, and read about the man, he doesn't seem all that credible to me.
But you can't back up that belief anymore with evidence or facts anymore than you can back up a simple belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.
No more than anyone can prove oswald was a lone shooter. The majority of americans from the time kennedy was shot believe there was more than one shooter and it still holds true today.But you can't back up that belief anymore with evidence or facts anymore than you can back up a simple belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.
Why did he deny shooting kennedy if he was trying to confer high stature and import upon himself? He should have been shouting to the heavens I killed kennedy.He tried to kill Kennedy's most vocal opponent, General Walker, just months earlier. So how would that seem to fit with your perception of him? You're not understanding the psychoses driving Oswald. Who it was, or what their politics or ideology was. Those things were essentially inconsequential as far as he was concerned. What mattered only to Oswald was that his victim be a figure of such high stature and import that the act of taking that person down would confer that high stature and import upon him. Mostly Oswald was a misfit, a somewhat malleable figure who wanted more than anything to make a statement, to be seen as an important person. His rifle gave him the chance. When fate delivered Kennedy and his chance at 'greatness' practically right into his lap, there was just no way he was going to pass that opportunity up.
No evidence? Oswald being killed by ruby put the chance of oswald saying anything to defend himself out of reach.Based on what, though?
The prisons are filled with innocent men. Don't believe me? Just go ask'em.
I know one thing for certain... odds are pretty good President Kennedy's death wasn't a suicide. Someone shot him.... and I haven't seen any evidence that points to anyone else but Oswald. The evidence that points to his guilt is overwhelming. It was either Oswald or some willow wisp conspiracy involving hundreds of people that worked to perfection and hasn't been effectively compromised for almost 60 years. I think I'm going to go with Oswald being the shooter.
And you think the still classified details concealed by our Government is credible?
Those who think the Government can't keep big secrets don't understand how compartmentalization of information works.
No evidence? Oswald being killed by ruby put the chance of oswald saying anything to defend himself out of reach.
To me without a conclusive result means it's possible, no?So now you're ascribing a motive for Ruby's actions without having any evidence to support it? People have tried to find a prior link between Ruby and Oswald for the last 57+ years without a conclusive result... so why do you assume such a link existed?
To me without a conclusive result means it's possible, no?
Cool, as with everything else so far we also disagree on this point.To me it means there's no reason to infer that there was one.
Cool, as with everything else so far we also disagree on this point.
Why did he deny shooting kennedy if he was trying to confer high stature and import upon himself? He should have been shouting to the heavens I killed kennedy.
Unlike your suspicions the chain of custody of the evidence gathered and examined by the Warren Commission is very well documented and actually physically exists. Whereas the evidence, of which you have not presented any herein, cannot claim the same.Like your Government sponsored "evidence and fact"?
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