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Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response? [W:377]

Did FDR get it right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 8.4%

  • No

    Votes: 84 88.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    95
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
No, you did not answer my question which was: What did I write that is not FACTUALLY correct? Do you need the definition of what "factually", or "wrong on facts", means?

A normal person would answer by citing where I made a factual error and offer the correct version. For example: Pearl Harbor was bombed on November 9, 1943, is factually incorrect. As opposed to: Other than that, it was a very nice day. That would be an opinion, which is never smart or stupid because it's an opinion. Did you get it, or was I too fast?

So, would you like to take a stab at what I wrote that is a factual falsehood to be called "ignorant" or an equivalent?
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Once again, if you aren't smart enough to understand what I pointed out then I don't know why I should have to spell it out.

Not to mention you've completely ignored my question. Answer that and then if you still don't get it I'll spell it out.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Excon said:
There goes that irrationality again.

Try actually responding to what I said and not what you think I said or to your wholly imagined and delusional insight in regards to my position on the Constitution.


Again, this is what I said.

Of course it was the right thing to do at that time.​
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I did address what you said, you approved of imprisoning an entire ethnic group of American citizens out of fear. That's a cowardly position. Grow a pair and don't let your fear control your decisions. You don't have an ounce of respect for the constitution or the rights of your countrymen. Absolutely disgusting.

legalimmigrant said:
Do you know how to spell "straw man"?

Is this a rule that all the dumbest posts are by liberals or leftists?
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He said he thought imprisoning American citizens was a good idea. Where's the strawman? Can you explain why we should arbitrarily lock up Americans based solely on their heritage?

legalimmigrant said:
Do you have a dog that is also a cat? What kind of bs is this American Arab? Is everybody now with a hyphen?

No, we don't have to lock up everybody we are at war with. Only those who don't like you intensely enough to kill you.
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Yes, there are ethnically arab Americans. We imprisoned ethnically Japanese Americans simply for being ethnically Japanese. Whether they were born and raised here was completely irrelevant. Tell me why your feeling of security should cause us to lock up an ethnic group.

Lovebug said:
Efficiency in information gathering, background checks, etc, facial recognition technology, all the things that were not available during WW II. They did the best with what they had at the time.
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Gathering evidence or putting people on trial requires too much effort. Let's just arbitrarily lock up an entire ethnic group to be safe, right? How is that "the best" they could've done at the time? The best they could've done is not shred American rights to shreds in the name of "security".
 
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matchlight said:
If you know of any member of the 442d who held dual citizenship, please name him. If every single man in that group had earned the Medal of Honor, it would not make President Roosevelt's decision wrong. Even if he had known for certain that all but one tenth of one per cent of the people of Japanese ancestry living near the West Coast were patriotic Americans, he could not have left the few who were disloyal free to operate. War may call for measures no one would even consider in peacetime.

In any case, the Supreme Court upheld the relocation order, and I agree with its decision. The Constitution does not outright forbid government to discriminate by race or national origin. It requires an action which does that to be necessary for a compelling government interest. There is no more compelling government interest that the nation's security.
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Ever hear of what the Brits did when it came to the spies they caught?

21 Medals of Honor.

In a single regiment.

More then 9,000 Purple Hearts.

That isn't the actions of a disloyal community.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

As this thread is about to go to the thread heaven, I would like to offer my conclusions.

FDR was wrong morally, militarily, and legally by interning the Japanese. His cabinet was wrong by agreeing and not resigning in protest. The Supreme Court was wrong by deciding that FDR was right. His Chiefs of Staff were wrong. The military units and the police who carried out the operation were wrong. The Americans, out of fear, paranoia, xenophobia and racism, who supported FDR were wrong.

The sixty "yes" voting DP posters are right. 75 years later, all fat and happy, with all the time to spare to be armchair internet quarterbacks, with absolutely nothing at risk in the event of being wrong. Dead wrong.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
Dumb FDR didn't have your ability to predict in 1941 or 1942 what will happen in 1944.
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That's not the point at all. The point is that having the Japanese interment camps were completely unnecessary.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

FDR did not get it right in the case. It was one of the few shameful policies enacted by the FDR administration.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

TheGoverness said:
That's not the point at all. The point is that having the Japanese interment camps were completely unnecessary.
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Said a liberal woman 75 years later with nothing at stake and no responsibility for anything.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

TheDemSocialist said:
FDR did not get it right in the case. It was one of the few shameful policies enacted by the FDR administration.
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Said a socialist guy 75 years later with nothing at stake and no responsibility for anything.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
As this thread is about to go to the thread heaven, I would like to offer my conclusions.

FDR was wrong morally, militarily, and legally by interning the Japanese. His cabinet was wrong by agreeing and not resigning in protest. The Supreme Court was wrong by deciding that FDR was right. His Chiefs of Staff were wrong. The military units and the police who carried out the operation were wrong. The Americans, out of fear, paranoia, xenophobia and racism, who supported FDR were wrong.

The sixty "yes" voting DP posters are right. 75 years later, all fat and happy, with all the time to spare to be armchair internet quarterbacks, with absolutely nothing at risk in the event of being wrong. Dead wrong.
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Yes. It was morally wrong; militarily shaky in regards to value; and as for legality, well, the Supreme Court is only human.

Hell, the troops and MP's used to conduct the operation would have been much better used committed to one or another of the fronts.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Tigerace117 said:
Ever hear of what the Brits did when it came to the spies they caught?

21 Medals of Honor.

In a single regiment.

More then 9,000 Purple Hearts.

That isn't the actions of a disloyal community.
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You are arguing with yourself. No one has even implied that any member of the 442d was disloyal. Just the opposite--all of them were brave Americans, and many were heroes. But they made up only a very small percentage of the persons of Japanese ancestry living in U.S. territory. As the Niihau incident proved, only a couple days into the war, some of the other Japanese living in U.S. territory were as disloyal to this country as the members of the 442d were loyal to it. We now know the Japanese farming community on Terminal Island, at the mouth of the Los Angeles harbor, contained at least one spy working for Japan. There were also spies in the Japanese community on Vancouver Island. One of their assignments was to get Tokyo technical information about the radio signals from a U.S. naval facility near the tip of that island.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

matchlight said:
You are arguing with yourself. No one has even implied that any member of the 442d was disloyal. Just the opposite--all of them were brave Americans, and many were heroes. But they made up only a very small percentage of the persons of Japanese ancestry living in U.S. territory. As the Niihau incident proved, only a couple days into the war, some of the other Japanese living in U.S. territory were as disloyal to this country as the members of the 442d were loyal to it. We now know the Japanese farming community on Terminal Island, at the mouth of the Los Angeles harbor, contained at least one spy working for Japan. There were also spies in the Japanese community on Vancouver Island. One of their assignments was to get Tokyo technical information about the radio signals from a U.S. naval facility near the tip of that island.
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A "very small amount" huh?

They were bigger then any group of spies that's for sure.

Each instance you point out its one guy, two guys, a half a dozen guys.

Versus thousands of guys.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Tigerace117 said:
Yes. It was morally wrong; militarily shaky in regards to value; and as for legality, well, the Supreme Court is only human.

Hell, the troops and MP's used to conduct the operation would have been much better used committed to one or another of the fronts.
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FDR was wrong morally, militarily, and legally by interning the Japanese. His cabinet was wrong by agreeing and not resigning in protest. The Supreme Court was wrong by deciding that FDR was right. His Chiefs of Staff were wrong. The military units and the police who carried out the operation were wrong. The Americans, out of fear, paranoia, xenophobia and racism, who supported FDR were wrong.

But, 75 years later, with nothing at stake, and no responsibility for anything, Tigerace117 is right. Those listed above, FDR included, would be humbled by your expertise.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
FDR was wrong morally, militarily, and legally by interning the Japanese. His cabinet was wrong by agreeing and not resigning in protest. The Supreme Court was wrong by deciding that FDR was right. His Chiefs of Staff were wrong. The military units and the police who carried out the operation were wrong. The Americans, out of fear, paranoia, xenophobia and racism, who supported FDR were wrong.

But, 75 years later, with nothing at stake, and no responsibility for anything, Tigerace117 is right. Those listed above, FDR included, would be humbled by your expertise.
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This just shows that you have no real argument to justify FDR putting Japanese-American citizens in internment camps, since you've now just started to personally attacking him instead of addressing his argument.
 
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Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
Don't you remember your own posts?

You didn't call him stupid. And you didn't get whacked.
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Wow, nothing slips past you. :applaud

You really are impressive.
 
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TheGoverness said:
This just shows that you have no real argument to justify FDR putting Japanese-American citizens in internment camps, since you've now just started to personally attacking us.
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Are you OK? I just said you were right and FDR was wrong and that's an attack?
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

Tigerace117 said:
A "very small amount" huh?

They were bigger then any group of spies that's for sure.

Each instance you point out its one guy, two guys, a half a dozen guys.

Versus thousands of guys.
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Sometimes even one spy can do enormous damage. It came out after World War Two, for example, that almost all the intelligence Japan used to plan the Pearl Harbor attack was collected by just one man. He posed as an employee of the Japanese Embassy in Honolulu that his fellow employees took to be a playboy who got the job because his family was rich. He would spend nights carousing with girls at the local bars, and spend his days taking pictures, like a tourist. All the while, he was working very hard to learn as much as he could. Even in the last weeks before the attack, Tokyo was asking him--through diplomatic cables he would be shown in the ambassador's office--to find out remaining details the military wanted to make sure of.
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
Are you OK? I just said you were right and FDR was wrong and that's an attack?
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Do you suffer from short term memory loss?

You said this:

"But, 75 years later, with nothing at stake, and no responsibility for anything, Tigerace117 is right."

"Said a liberal woman 75 years later with nothing at stake and no responsibility for anything."

Those are personal attacks. And all that's doing is showing how completely ludicrous and ridiculous your argument really is.
 
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Bucky said:
Please tell the truth. We did not lock up Japanese Americans. .
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This didn't happen?

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Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
Last time I gave an answer like that I was drunk.
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Care to expand on what you mean/are implying on your earlier comment?
 
Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

TheGoverness said:
Do you suffer from short term memory loss?

You said this:

"But, 75 years later, with nothing at stake, and no responsibility for anything, Tigerace117 is right."

"Said a liberal woman 75 years later with nothing at stake and no responsibility for anything."

Those are personal attacks. And all that's doing is showing how completely ludicrous and ridiculous your argument really is.
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OK, let's see where my offense is.

You are a liberal woman. Check.
It's 75 years later. Check
You have nothing at stake regarding the war in 1941. Check.
You are not responsible for anything regarding the war in 1941. Check.

Did I miss anything?

BTW, what did you think I was referring to in "no responsibility for anything"? Getting dinner ready?
 
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Re: Was interning the Japanese during WW2 the right response?

legalimmigrant said:
OK, let's see where my offence is.

You are a liberal woman. Check.
It's 75 years later. Check
You have nothing at stake regarding the war in 1941. Check.
You are not responsible for anything regarding the war in 1941. Check.

Did I miss anything?
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Lol, I love how you're trying to change your words around.

You said that I have nothing at stake and not responsible for anything. If you had meant regarding the war in 1941, you would've/should've said that instead.

But all and all, it's a personal attack. But whatever, you argument still holds no water regardless.
 
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