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Hanging someone is a violent act.No. It was not a call to violence -
Hanging someone is a violent act.No. It was not a call to violence -
Those protesters who chanted "Hang Mike Pence" should have been arrested, jailed, charged and then released. (And they were.)I've been telling you why. The rioters who chanted "hang Mike Pence" were set off by Trump's tweet during the riot that condemned Pence for the fourth time that day. That was preceded by a month of online threats and plans to hang democrats and cause violence to stop the EC.
Nancy Pelosi assumed responsibility for the lack of security on J-6: "I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more," but I'm not sure if "them" referred to the Capitol Police or the National Guard. Anyways, there should have been more security on that day. We agree on that.The fact that he would not call the NG , and only sent a video to the rioters after he was told the NG had been mobilized. This corresponds to trump defending the chant. It demonstrates his support for the rioters. This occurred while he was aware that the rioters carried weapons.
No weapons were used to physically harm Pence, Pelosi or other Congress members. Only Capitol Police and other protesters were struck with weapons and injured.There were many who intended to kill Pence, Pelosi and any Dems they could find. Otherwise they wouldn't bring weapons to a political rally.
I agree 100%.Hanging someone is a violent act.
Therefore calling to hang someone is a call for a violent act.I agree 100%.
Those protesters who chanted "Hang Mike Pence" should have been arrested, jailed, charged and then released. (And they were.)
That statement was made while she was in transit to the undisclosed location. That was just minutes after the rioters entered the Capitol. I don't think she completely understood at that time what had happened. I say that because the security responsibility belongs to the Sargent at arms. She shared a security agreement with the SaA and Mitch McConnell before J6. But no one blames Mitch. He signed the same agreement.Nancy Pelosi assumed responsibility for the lack of security on J-6: "I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more," but I'm not sure if "them" referred to the Capitol Police or the National Guard. Anyways, there should have been more security on that day. We agree on that.
No weapons were used to physically harm Pence, Pelosi or other Congress members. Only Capitol Police and other protesters were struck with weapons and injured.
Clearly, the intent was to intimidate - and they did. That makeshift half-scale model of a gallows was purely symbolic - it wasn't meant to "hang" anything.
I agree 100%.
Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.
Obviously, if James Comey wanted 47 to actually be 86ed, he would do it himself - not arrange tiny sea shells on a beach.
No. I never said that. I didn't even imply that.We saw how it was handled when Babbit attempted to get thru the last lines of defense. Are you saying that you believe the Jan 6 mob would have been able to reach Congress and kill Pelosi and hang Pence, as they were screaming?
Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.
Obviously, if James Comey wanted 47 to actually be 86ed, he would do it himself - not arrange tiny sea shells on a beach.
No. I never said that. I didn't even imply that.
The crude makeshift gallows model was symbolic. The calls to "Hang Mike Pence" were symbolic. James Comey's tiny-sea-shell-in-sand message was symbolic.
Who knows why you think that's hilarious? I think you don't realize the severity of how much Trump whipped that crowd into a frenzy with his rhetoric.Yeah - right.
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The hyperbole is hilarious.Who knows why you think that's hilarious?
They couldn't get to Pence.. If they could, they might have killed him.
Nonsense. Trump wasn't even there. He was miles away at a rally, asking the rally-goers to be PEACEFUL.I think you don't realize the severity of how much Trump whipped that crowd into a frenzy with his rhetoric.
Irrelevant excuse-making. A threat was made against a sitting VP. It was unacceptable. As was building a gallows. DO NOT attempt to downplay what the MAGA terrorists did.The hyperbole is hilarious.
This is pure TDS hyperbole nonsense. No protesters intended to "kill" anyone. The calls to "Hang Mike Pence" were symbolic. They likely meant hold Pence accountable for not using his authority to overturn the election.
Trump lied here. He knew the election was not rigged and he admitted to it.(I KNOW that Pence didn't actually have the authority to do that, but many J-6 protesters mistakenly believed that he did.)
Trump: “Well, the people were very angry,”
Jon Karl: “They said, ‘hang Mike Pence.’”
Trump: “It’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?”
This is an absolute lie. He did not such thing. He told them to "fight like hell" and they went to the Capitol and attempted to prevent a vote from being certified.Trump wasn't even there. He was miles away at a rally, asking the rally-goers to be PEACEFUL.
Why should anyone take your word over the death threats made that day?The hyperbole is hilarious.
This is pure TDS hyperbole nonsense. No protesters intended to "kill" anyone. The calls to "Hang Mike Pence" were symbolic. They likely meant hold Pence accountable for not using his authority to overturn the election.
(I KNOW that Pence didn't actually have the authority to do that, but many J-6 protesters mistakenly believed that he did.)
Trump: “Well, the people were very angry,”
Jon Karl: “They said, ‘hang Mike Pence.’”
Trump: “It’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?”
While at the Elipse, he riled them up with falsehoods about the election being stolen and falsehoods about how Pence could flip the election. Then later, he reached them via Twittter, with falsehoods about how Pence didn't have the courage to do what's "right." Many of those people were pissed as shit and absolutely would have harmed Pence and members of Congress had they gotten their hands on any of them, which fortunately, they didn't.Nonsense. Trump wasn't even there. He was miles away at a rally, asking the rally-goers to be PEACEFUL.
Critical Thinking. You can accept a plausible explanation, or you can rely on TDS hyperbole nonsense. The choice is yours.Why should anyone take your word over the death threats made that day?
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"While at the Elipse, he riled them up with falsehoods about the election being stolen and falsehoods about how Pence could flip the election. Then later, he reached them via Twittter, with falsehoods about how Pence didn't have the courage to do what's "right." Many of those people were pissed as shit and absolutely would have harmed Pence and members of Congress had they gotten their hands on any of them, which fortunately, they didn't.
Critical thinking is believing someone when they're angry as shit and threatening to kill someone they're angry at. Your explanation isn't plausible, it's hallucination.Critical Thinking. You can accept a plausible explanation, or you can rely on TDS hyperbole nonsense. The choice is yours.
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"
Trump was crystal clear about keeping peace at the Ellipse rally. Trump intended to march with them, but naturally his security detail didn't allow him to do that since the violence and mayhem was already unfolding at the Capitol.
Believe whatever you want.
Critical thinking is believing someone when they're angry as shit and threatening to kill someone they're angry at. Your explanation isn't plausible, it's hallucination.
And his thugs did march peacefully to the Capitol. It was once they got there, they lost their shit.
Inspired by the most recent right wing outrage concerning "8647", I, Hatuey wondered :
Since they received pardons it is clear some people do not think it was a call to violence. What say the good people of Debate Politics? Come cry if you need to..
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Crazy to even bring this up from a leftist position. How many times have democrats killed Trump in effigy, even on TV shows?
Who knows why you think that's hilarious? I think you don't realize the severity of how much Trump whipped that crowd into a frenzy with his rhetoric.
This seems to be phenomenon called crowd psychology where each individual may not desire violence yet, spurred into action as a group (bullhorn) they may be inclined to participate in collective violence.Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.
True. I think that many of the protesters who went to the Capitol had no intentions of committing violence, but got caught up in crowd psychology.This seems to be phenomenon called crowd psychology where each individual may not desire violence yet, spurred into action as a group (bullhorn) they may be inclined to participate in collective violence.
Nonetheless, it was still a call for violence.True. I think that many of the protesters who went to the Capitol had no intentions of committing violence, but got caught up in crowd psychology.
However the rally-goers at the Ellipse rally did not participate in the violence. Most were horrified when they saw the chaos and mayhem unfolding when they arrived at the Capitol. Many of the Ellipse rally-goers tried (in vain) to stop it, but they were vastly outnumbered by the lunatics who had already stormed the building and were shouting "Hang Mike Pence."
Clearly, the violent protesters were not acting on Trump's call for a 'peaceful and patriotic' demonstration.
Inspired by the most recent right wing outrage concerning "8647", I, Hatuey wondered :
Since they received pardons it is clear some people do not think it was a call to violence. What say the good people of Debate Politics? Come cry if you need to..
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What makes you say people at the Ellipse didn't participate in the violence?True. I think that many of the protesters who went to the Capitol had no intentions of committing violence, but got caught up in crowd psychology.
However the rally-goers at the Ellipse rally did not participate in the violence. Most were horrified when they saw the chaos and mayhem unfolding when they arrived at the Capitol. Many of the Ellipse rally-goers tried (in vain) to stop it, but they were vastly outnumbered by the lunatics who had already stormed the building and were shouting "Hang Mike Pence."
Clearly, the violent protesters were not acting on Trump's call for a 'peaceful and patriotic' demonstration.
They were miles away from the Capitol when the protesters stormed the building and were threatening the Congress members. The rally-goers arrived on the scene long after the mayhem had begun.What makes you say people at the Ellipse didn't participate in the violence?