Was calling for Mike Pence's hanging by Jan 6th participants a call for violence?

[What if...?]

Thank you. Strictly symbolic. Crudely made, loosely nailed to the top of a ladder. There were no means to hang anything, let alone a person. And in my opinion a really stupid thing to do.

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I would say that would likely serve the obvious purpose just fine.

 

[Hatuey]

The FBI assets who did this should be charged along with LO who allowed Pelosi's prop to be placed.

I am sure Kash Patel will find out who those assets were by Trump's 3rd term.

 

[What if...?]

Wow. That sure is a really dumb straw-man.



No, your straw-man argument is really dumb. You obviously didn't think it through. And by the way, there HAVE been assassination on Trump's life.

It they don’t succeed, which by your metric means they don’t actually want to kill him.

 

[Hatuey]

It they don’t succeed, which by your metric means they don’t actually want to kill him.

See @SkyChief ?

People can see where your arguments go. As long as there was no success in actions, then no effort was made.

That is a pretty big flaw in your argument, and throwing out accusations of straw-man arguments is pretty silly.

Own up to the flaws in your argument, admit their weakness and readjust. This lesson is free.

 

[Sabre]

Just a poorly trained sniper.

Actually the shot was dead on. In the second he took to fire, at the same time Trump dropped his left shoulder and simultaneously turned his head to the right to look a jumbotron behind him. It was that move that saved his life.

 

[SkyChief]

Continuing to claim there wasn't a call to violence on J6 because you say so is a terrible debating strategy that has yet to yield any results.

It's an excellent strategy. I clearly explained the rationale for concluding that there was no call to violence against Mike Pence. Any more than James Comey's 8647 stunt was a call to violence against 47.

Naturally, James Comey is butthurt about being fired by Trump, and he wants payback. But forming sea shells in the shape of 8647 is not calling for violence. And by the same token, protesters constructing that silly J-6 gallows - that was not a call for violence. Had it been a REAL functioning gallows - - that would be different, obviously. But it was symbolic - - just like Comey's tiny sea shells.

Thankfully, most people are smarter than this and they have not fallen for the cheap sophistry you regularly use to weasel yourself out of admitting you are wrong.

But I'm right. You're the one who cannot admit that you're wrong.

Again, if you need me to check with Grok to help you find some consistency in your approach to arguments, I can do so.

You keep bringing up a Grok. I don't know what the Grok is, and I don't care. I presume that a Grok must be part of the LWL circular logic vortex, so it's also meaningless.

 

[What if...?]

Actually the shot was dead on. In the second he took to fire, at the same time Trump dropped his left shoulder and simultaneously turned his head to the right to look a jumbotron behind him. It was that move that saved his life.

Saved by his vanity.

There’s something profound in that. Or perverse.

 

[Sabre]

Saved by his vanity.

There’s something profound in that. Or perverse.

What vanity is there in a person turning to look at what was written on the screen? much less perverse?

 

[Gardener]

It needs to tone down on both sides. WAY down.

It is important to distinguish between provocations arising from political figures and the hou polloi, however

 

[poppopfox]

Actually the shot was dead on. In the second he took to fire, at the same time Trump dropped his left shoulder and simultaneously turned his head to the right to look a jumbotron behind him. It was that move that saved his life.

If the shot was "dead on" Trump would no longer be in the conversation.

 

[soap box]

Hmm. . . you're still stuck in your logic loop. That's expected. The same circular-logic nonsense - around, and around, and around. It's a vicious vortex of BS and nonsense.

Again, you're still in fantasy land. Good.

I am too. Not surprisingly, most of the forum are on same intellectual level as you, so its natural that they would share the same flawed position that you do.

No, I've already done that. And so have a couple of other posters in this thread. The calls to hang Mike Pence and the silly makeshift "gallows" was simply a political stunt. You and the other LWLs cannot understand that. Which is good, actually.

Plans to storm the Capitol were circulating on social media sites, including Facebook, Twitter, and Parler, for days before the siege

Far-right extremists publicly voiced their plans for the Capitol on niche right-wing forums and mainstream social media like Facebook and Twitter.

www.businessinsider.com

Before J621:

"Extremists have for weeks repeatedly expressed their intentions to attend the January 6 protests, and unabashedly voiced their desire for chaos and violence online," Jared Holt, a visiting fellow at the Digital Forensic Research Lab, told BuzzFeed."

"Many chimed in with posts tagged #revolution, #fightback, #firingsquad, and #civilwar. Others spread rumors that Antifa was behind the mob."

There were thousands of examples on Parler, Reddit, Facebook. There were many, many examples of plans for violence on J621.

Why do you think they brought sharpened flag poles zip ties, and firearms? Why did they bring weapons? What were they planning? They intended to shut down the EC by force.

As trump blamed Pence, the rioters did too. They saw him as the worst traitor of all time. Hence #firingsquad

 

[What if...?]

What vanity is there in a person turning to look at what was written on the screen? much less perverse?

You and I both know he just wanted a to see himself on a big screen. I suspect he had a confidence monitor as well as the teleprompter.

Don’t know what a confidence monitor is?

 

[Sabre]

If the sshot was "dead on" Trump would no longer be in the conversation.

That would be a fact, if Trump has not turned his head as the same instance.

 

[Hatuey]

It's an excellent strategy. I clearly explained the rationale for concluding that there was no call to violence against Mike Pence. Any more than James Comey's 8647 stunt was a call to violence against 47.

Naturally, James Comey is butthurt about being fired by Trump, and he wants payback. But forming sea shells in the shape of 8647 is not calling for violence. And by the same token, protesters constructing that silly J-6 gallows - that was not a call for violence. Had it been a REAL functioning gallows - - that would be different, obviously. But it was symbolic - - just like Comey's tiny sea shells.

But I'm right. You're the one who cannot admit that you're wrong.

You keep bringing up a Grok. I don't what the Grok is, and I don't care. I presume that a Grok must be part of the LWL circular logic vortex, so it's also meaningless.

Please note that the topic is not James Comey even though this thread's question was definitely inspired by the current faux outrage over his words.

However, even if we were to use his example, as with Trump, and Pence, and per your argument, give that there was no success, it cannot be classified as a call to violence.

Your argument always leads to the same dead end and writing very long posts does not change this. If you need help from Grok, I can definitely ask it some questions to help you refine your argument to improve consistency.

 

[poppopfox]

That would be a fact, if Trump has not turned his head as the same instance.

So an experienced sniper would have compensated and went for center of mass which, in light of Trump's girth, would have been substantial.

 

[Sabre]

You and I both know he just wanted a to see himself on a big screen. I suspect he had a confidence monitor as well as the teleprompter.

Don’t know what a confidence monitor is?

No, I know no such thing. I suppose you can show proof that it was Trump on the screen at that time. Let me help you, he turned his head at the last moment to glance at the illegal immigration statistics displayed on the large Jumbotron.

 

[Sabre]

So an experienced sniper would have compensated and went for center of mass which, in light of Trump's girth, would have been substantial.

Yes, if Trump had been facing towards the sniper when he lined up his shot, but Trump was facing forward with his right side turned towards the sniper, that is why he chose a head shot instead. There was no center mass shot available from his position to the side of Trump.

 

[poppopfox]

Yes, if Trump had been facing towards the sniper when he lined up his shot, but Trump was facing forward with his right side turned towards the sniper, that is why he chose a head shot instead. There was no center mass shot available from his position to the side of Trump.

I wasn't there with the sniper. How do you know there was no center mass option?

 

[SkyChief]

Please note that the topic is not James Comey even though this thread's question was definitely inspired by the current faux outrage over his words.

Please note that YOU were the one who mentioned James Comey's 8647 stunt in the OP.

That was YOU who posted that reference to Comey.

However, even if we were to use his example, as with Trump, and Pence, and per your argument, give that there was no success, it cannot be classified as a call to violence.

I never said (or even implied) that it was a call to violence. In fact, I said that it was NOT a call to violence.

You're STILL using Straw-Man bullshit to support your flawed position even after I pointed out how Straw-Man arguments weaken the user's position.

Your argument always leads to the same dead end and writing very long posts does not change this. If you need help from Grok, I can definitely ask it some questions to help you refine your argument to improve consistency.

Your (flawed) arguments are based on Straw-Men, logical fallacies, Circular logic, profound ignorance, and even a few fantasies sprinkled in. All of your posts are utter nonsense.

 

[Sabre]

Positioning, look it up, there are numerous diagrams and video of everything, showing the exact positions at the time.

 

[Ethel2]

No
Because they were only joking

 

[Lycanthrope]

It was just a friendly bunch of godly patriots expressing disappointment in their VP.

"Maybe he deserves it."

 

[SkyChief]

It they don’t succeed, which by your metric means they don’t actually want to kill him.

Your doltish Straw-Man is almost as dumb as that other guy's phalanx of straw-men.

. . . Almost.

 

[Hatuey]

Please note that YOU were the one who mentioned James Comey's 8647 stunt in the OP.

That was YOU who posted that reference to Comey.

I never said (or even implied) that it was a call to violence. In fact, I said that it was NOT a call to violence.

You're STILL using Straw-Man bullshit to support your flawed position even after I pointed out how Straw-Man arguments weaken the user's position.

Your (flawed) arguments are based on Straw-Men, logical fallacies, Circular logic, profound ignorance, and even a few fantasies sprinkled in. All of your posts are utter nonsense.

Your posts seem very unhinged and your posts only serve to strengthen the claim that they are made to excuse the calls for violence you agree with.

There is nothing non-violent about calling for the hanging of Mike Pence. Failing to hang Mike Pence does not make the calls to do it less violent.

It is pretty funny that you've gone on for this long denying the simple truth that the poll exposes. I strongly suggest you get Grok to assist you in crafting stronger arguments so your posts do not look this unhinged.

 

[Hatuey]

Your doltish Straw-Man is almost as dumb as that other guy's phalanx of straw-men.

Almost.

These silly ad-homs will not make your arguments stronger. They are signs of a very weak debating strategy.