Was calling for Mike Pence's hanging by Jan 6th participants a call for violence?

[SkyChief]

Your post seems really unhinged.

I think you just need to accept that what is good for the goose must be good for the gander.

I think YOU need to get your thoughts in order. Your pretzel logic is all over the place. You make straw-man arguments, and you post fallacies to support your flawed argument. And you keep moving the goal posts.

Your posts are illogical and nonsense. In one post you claimed that "there was no assassination attempt on Trump". Of course, that's patently false.

Clearly if success indicates intent, then in both cases, there was no intent to actually carry out violence, and there can be no call to violence. This is if we follow your inconsistent thought patterns.

However since your position is woefully inconsistent, just you so far share your silly opinion and violence and a call to is accepted by most observers in both cases.

Your dopey post are complete nonsense, based on misinformation, fallacies and straw-men that YOU fabricated. Stop pretending like your dopey posts have any value. They don't.

You're upset because the far right people are saying that Comey's 8647 stunt was a call to violence, and some ARE saying that. But I never said (or even implied) that. I said that Comey's 8647 stunt was dumb, but clearly not intended to incite violence against 47.

 

[Rexedgar]

No. It was not a call to violence - any more than former FBI Director James Comey's "8647" in sea shells was a call to violence.

Calling for Pence's hanging was stupid and callous, by a group of bad actors. They never expected or even hoped that Pence would be hung. Likewise, Comey's calling for 47 to be 86ed was stupid and callous, as Comey is a bad actor. Comey doesn't expect someone to actually 86 47.

Security certainly took it seriously.

 

[Hatuey]

I think YOU need to get your thoughts in order. Your pretzel logic is all over the place. You make straw-man arguments, and you post fallacies to support your flawed argument.

Your posts are illogical and nonsense. You even claimed that "there was no assassination attempt on Trump". Of course, that's patently false.

Your dopey post are complete nonsense, based on misinformation, fallacies and straw-men that you fabricated. Stop pretending like your dopey posts have any value. They don't.

Sir, you clearly stated that because people did not succeed in killing Pence, there was no call to violence, nor an attempt to actually assassinate Pence.

I am stating that following this logic, and because people did not succeed in killing Trump, there was no call to violence, nor an attempt to actually assassinate Trump.

You seem really frustrated that your logic leads to an inconsistent dead end. I think you should pick up a few debate 101 books and understand that flipping of flawed logic is pretty standard.

I think this will make your posts less unhinged.

 

[Helix]

How do you know that given the fact they stormed the US Capitol and assaulted police officers? I'm curious as to what you think they meant when that chant is a call for someone to be hung.

Those zip ties were intended to help Capitol maintenance tie up any cords that might constitute a trip / fall situation, obviously. The insurrectionists were just attempting a public service!

 

[SkyChief]

Sir, you clearly stated that because people did not succeed in killing Pence, there was no call to violence, nor an attempt to actually assassinate Pence.

Sir. Yes.

I am stating that following this logic, and because people did not succeed in killing Trump, there was no call to violence, nor an attempt to actually assassinate Trump.

Nah that's straw-man crap, and I really shouldn't need to explain that to you. People DID attempt to assassinate Trump, but it WASN'T Comey.

You seem really frustrated that your logic leads to an inconsistent dead end.

See, that's another area where you're completely mistaken. I'm not frustrated at all - I'm having fun torpedoing your doltish circular-logic arguments.

I think you should pick up a few debate 101 books and understand that flipping of flawed logic is pretty standard.

You're pretending that you're smarter than you a actually are, and I have exploited that. You're just not at a level where you can understand that.

I think this will make your posts less unhinged.

Your fantasy is noted (and appreciated).

 

[Hatuey]

Sir. Yes.

Nah that's straw-man crap, and I really shouldn't need to explain that to you.

Se that's another area where you're completely mistaken. I'm not frustrated at all - I'm having fun torpedoing your doltish circular-logic arguments.

You're pretending that you're smarter than you a actually are, and I have exploited that. You're just not at a level where you can understand that.

Your fantasy is noted (and appreciated).

You seem pretty mad but the results don't lie.

Clearly, everyone except you accepts that calling to hang Mike Pence was indeed a call to violence, and an attempt was made even if not successful.

The results of such a poll would be the largely the same if I raised up the question of whether the attempted assassination of Trump was a call to violence, except this time, you'd be on the side of the majority.

Thus showing your inconsistent intellectual spasm for what it is and nothing more. Again, a good debating book would help your posts look less unhinged.

Would you like me to ask Grok for some suggestions?

 

[BabaVoss]

Well it wasn't a real hanging platform so no.
It's not like anyone said to "86" him.
Just hang him.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.

Is it "obvious" in the context you framed it though? They could have had the intention of acting out on the slogan but failed to gain access to him in order to carry it out.

Obviously, if James Comey wanted 47 to actually be 86ed, he would do it himself - not arrange tiny sea shells on a beach.

Another "obvious" but not so obvious moment. Surely you know people contract others to do take actions on their behalf, yes? That's not to say it's what Comey did, of course. Unlike an angry mob breaking into the US Capitol and assaulting police officers, we have no other evidence Comey was acting out on his sentiment in any way. We're still stuck on the definition of "86" though, since the MAGAverse has differing definitions depending on who uses it.

 

[soap box]

Inspired by the most recent right wing outrage concerning "8647", I, Hatuey wondered :



Since they received pardons it is clear some people do not think it was a call to violence. What say the good people of Debate Politics? Come cry if you need to..

Yes, yes it was a call for violence. And it was accompanied by thousands of posts on social media in the underbelly of the subforums of hanging all Dems. We should also remember "Where's Nancy".

Some of our fellow members have tried to diminish the reality that it was not just symbolic. Many of the rioters intended violence and murder.

 

[Utility Man]

See/hear the mob calling for the death of the vice president of the US.







It is telling that maga morons are always expecting others to be bettter.

 

[SkyChief]

You seem pretty mad but the results don't lie.

Mad? Are you kidding? I'm have having fun slamming torpedoes of truth into your flimsy ship of straw-men.

Clearly, everyone except you accepts that calling to hang Mike Pence was indeed a call to violence, and an attempt was made even if not successful.

That's the most asinine argument that you've made so far. The hits just keep on coming with you. You falsely state that "everyone except you accepts that calling to hang Mike Pence was indeed a call to violence" . That's YOUR loony-toon fantasy. It is not reality. MOST of the people who responded to your poll share the same wacky fantasies and flawed opinions that you do, so pretending that their consensus with your opinion somehow validates your flawed position is ludicrous.

The results of such a poll would be the largely the same if I raised up the question of whether the attempted assassination of Trump was a call to violence, except this time, you'd be on the side of the majority.

Your poll is a juvenile reaction to the right's (faked) outrage at Comey's 8647 stunt. The J-6 protesters propping up that ridiculous mock gallows was not a call to violence. It was a political stunt very much like James Comey's tiny sea shell 8647 political stunt. Neither of these stunts were a "call to violence".

Thus showing your inconsistent intellectual spasm for what it is and nothing more. Again, a good debating book would help your posts look less unhinged.

You keep using the words Spasm and Unhinged a s though your (mis)use of these words magically give credence to doltish circular logic, and your dopey straw man crap. LOL You have quite the imagination.

 

[Hatuey]

Mad? Are you kidding? I'm have having fun slamming torpedoes of truth into your flimsy ship of straw-men.

That's the most asinine argument that you've made so far. The hits just keep on coming with you. You falsely state that "everyone except you accepts that calling to hang Mike Pence was indeed a call to violence" . That's YOUR loony-toon fantasy. It is not reality. MOST of the people who responded to your poll share the same wacky fantasies and flawed opinions that you do, so pretending that their consensus with your opinion somehow validates your flawed position is ludicrous.

Your poll is a juvenile reaction to the right's (faked) outrage at Comey's 8647 stunt. The J-6 protesters propping up that ridiculous mock gallows was not a call to violence. It was a political stunt very much like James Comey's tiny sea shell 8647 political stunt. Neither of these stunts were a "call to violence".

You keep using the words Spasm and Unhinged a s though your (mis)use of these words magically give credence to doltish circular logic, and your dopey straw man crap. LOL You have quite the imagination.

Writing longer and longer posts will not make your position seem less unhinged.

It is pretty clear claiming that success determines the validity of a call to violence is a nonstarter for you. It is also pretty clear that when your assertions are examined with any detail, you immediately start complaining about how you are being taken out of context even though nothing has been changed except the persons.

I strongly suggest you take a trip to your local library and pick up a few books on debating. Crying about the thread and being generally unhinged will get you nowhere.

 

[SkyChief]

Writing longer and longer posts will not make your position seem less unhinged.

You're still using the word unhinged. You THINK that it rationalizes your doltish straw-man arguments, but it really doesn't. You're just at a level where you can understand that.

It is pretty clear claiming that success determines the validity of a call to violence is a nonstarter for you. It is also pretty clear that when your assertions are examined with any detail, you immediately start complaining about how you are being taken out of context even though nothing has been changed except the persons.

Your straw-man arguments are YOUR fabrications, and YOURS alone. Don't blame me for your own fabrications and logical fallacies.

I strongly suggest you take a trip to your local library and pick up a few books on debating.

LOL This is funny because YOU don't even realize that your doltish ad hominem and straw man arguments violate RULE #1 in debating.

RULE #1: NEVER use logical fallacies to support an argument. But that's all you've done here, really. Your entire doltish argument is based on straw-men, ad hominen, mistruths (fallacies), and ignorance.

You need to familiarize yourself with basic debating concepts, starting with logical fallacies.

Crying about the thread and being generally unhinged will get you nowhere.

Nobody's crying, and nobody's unhinged. Oh dear, you're still in fantasy-land. You're just not at a level where you could possibly understand that.

 

[Hatuey]

You're still using the word unhinged. You THINK that it rationalizes your doltish straw-man arguments, but it really doesn't. You're just at a level where you can understand that.

Your straw-man arguments are YOUR fabrications, and YOURS alone. Don't blame me for your own fabrications and logical fallacies.

LOL This is funny because YOU don't even realize that your doltish ad hominem and straw man arguments violate RULE #1 in debating.

RULE #1: NEVER use logical fallacies to support an argument. But that's all you've done here, really. Your entire doltish argument is based on straw-men, ad hominen, mistruths (fallacies), and ignorance.

You need to familiarize yourself with basic debating concepts, starting with logical fallacies.

Nobody's crying, and nobody's unhinged. Oh dear, you're still in fantasy-land. You're just not at a level where you could possibly understand that.

This post seems very unhinged.

I think you need to contain your intellectual spasms by simply admitting that when your logic about what is and isn't a call to violence is applied across the board, regular inconsistencies arise which you can't justify.

That said, it is clear most people who look at the question simply do not agree with you and pretending this is because they are wrong just makes you look simplistic.

I am happy most of the forum agrees so far that calling for Mike Pence to be hung is indeed a call to violence by Jan 6ers. You need to do better to justify why it isnt.

 

[BitterPill]

Mad? Are you kidding? I'm have having fun slamming torpedoes of truth into your flimsy ship of straw-men.

That's the most asinine argument that you've made so far. The hits just keep on coming with you. You falsely state that "everyone except you accepts that calling to hang Mike Pence was indeed a call to violence" . That's YOUR loony-toon fantasy. It is not reality. MOST of the people who responded to your poll share the same wacky fantasies and flawed opinions that you do, so pretending that their consensus with your opinion somehow validates your flawed position is ludicrous.

Your poll is a juvenile reaction to the right's (faked) outrage at Comey's 8647 stunt. The J-6 protesters propping up that ridiculous mock gallows was not a call to violence. It was a political stunt very much like James Comey's tiny sea shell 8647 political stunt. Neither of these stunts were a "call to violence".

You keep using the words Spasm and Unhinged a s though your (mis)use of these words magically give credence to doltish circular logic, and your dopey straw man crap. LOL You have quite the imagination.

I have arrived to help, SkyChief.

MAGA.

 

[CaughtInThe]

No

That was just folding tables and tailgating baskets from Chick-fil-A.

 

[Hatuey]

I have arrived to help, SkyChief.

MAGA.

@SkyChief definitely needs the help from a seasoned debate master like yourself.

So far, he's claimed that when people on J6 called for violence, it didn't count if they were not succesful.

I have said the same thing about other instances, but for him it does count as a call even if those people failed in their ultimate goals.

His debate skills are deplorable.

 

[BitterPill]

@SkyChief definitely needs the help from a seasoned debate master like yourself.

So far, he's claimed that when people on J6 called for violence, it didn't count if they are not succesful.

I have said the same thing about other instances, but for him it does count as a call even if those people failed in their ultimate goals.

His debate skills are deplorable.

Sadly, my duties on Truth Social summon me, so you caught break, and my apologies to SkyChief.

MAGA.

 

[SkyChief]

This post seems very unhinged.

I think you need to contain your intellectual spasms by simply admitting that when your logic about what is and isn't a call to violence is applied across the board, regular inconsistencies arise which you can't justify.

Hmm. . . you're still stuck in your logic loop. That's expected. The same circular-logic nonsense - around, and around, and around. It's a vicious vortex of BS and nonsense.

That said, it is clear most people who look at the question simply do not agree with you and pretending this is because they are wrong just makes you look simplistic.

Again, you're still in fantasy land. Good.

I am happy most of the forum agrees so far that calling for Mike Pence to be hung is indeed a call to violence by Jan 6ers.

I am too. Not surprisingly, most of the forum are on same intellectual level as you, so its natural that they would share the same flawed position that you do.

You need to do better to justify why it isnt.

No, I've already done that. And so have a couple of other posters in this thread. The calls to hang Mike Pence and the silly makeshift "gallows" was simply a political stunt. You and the other LWLs cannot understand that. Which is good, actually.

 

[yankintx]

Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.

Obviously, if James Comey wanted 47 to actually be 86ed, he would do it himself - not arrange tiny sea shells on a beach.

I believe the Secret Service may have stopped the MAGA goons from hanging the VP.

Unless the crowd was as dumb as Babbit and refuse to stand down twice.

 

[Hatuey]

Yah you're stuck in your logic loop. That's expected. The same circular logic nonsense - around, and around, and around. Its a vicious vortex of BS and nonsense.

Again, you're still in fantasy land. Good.

I am too. Not surprisingly, most of the forum are on same intellectual level as you, so its natural that they would share the same flawed position that you do.

No, I've already done that. And so have a couple of other posters in this thread. The calls to hang Mike Pence and the silly makeshift "gallows" was political stunt. You and the other LWLs cannot understand that. Which is good actually.

I don't think you understand that your logic has been applied to other scenarios and when applied to other scenarios, there was indeed a call to violence. Refusing to admit this because you think those that do makes your posts seem simplistic and biased.

Continuing to claim there wasn't a call to violence on J6 because you say so is a terrible debating strategy that has yet to yield any results.

Thankfully, most people are smarter than this and they have not fallen for the cheap sophistry you regularly use to weasel yourself out of admitting you are wrong.

Again, if you need me to check with Grok to help you find some consistency in your approach to arguments, I can do so.

 

[Eriech]

Thank you. Strictly symbolic. Crudely made, loosely nailed to the top of a ladder. There were no means to hang anything, let alone a person. And in my opinion a really stupid thing to do.

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The FBI assets who did this should be charged along with LO who allowed Pelosi's prop to be placed.

 

[poppopfox]

It was tried, the bullet missed killing him by a matter of an inch or two, or was that just a protest?

Just a poorly trained sniper.

 

[What if...?]

I would say yes, but the gallows that they constructed appeared to have been only a symbolic one.

Nah. MAGAts just aren’t good at…things.

 

[What if...?]

Obviously, if they had wanted Mike Pence to actually be hung, they would have done it - not shout into bullhorns.

Obviously, if James Comey wanted 47 to actually be 86ed, he would do it himself - not arrange tiny sea shells on a beach.

So they had him in their grasp and let him go?

First I’ve heard of that.