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[W:220,1256]***Trinitarianism = Polytheism

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RAMOSS said:
that makes absoultely no sense.. because it is a mediator between God and man is god?? That would be a strong indication that he writer of 1 timothy did not consider Jesus to be God. It is strong evidence against the trinity.
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Not really. The only person that could take our case before God would be God. no other being could do it.
“God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory” (1 Timothy 3:16). So Paul directly proclaims Jesus as God.

Paul the writer of Timothy would highly disagree with you that he did not consider Jesus to be God.
 
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ludin said:
Not really. The only person that could take our case before God would be God. no other being could do it.
“God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory” (1 Timothy 3:16). So Paul directly proclaims Jesus as God.

Paul the writer of Timothy would highly disagree with you that he did not consider Jesus to be God.
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That particualr sentence is strong indication that your claim is incorrect.
 
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PoS said:
According to the bible, there is only one god, yet somehow the believers in the trinity seems to think that this god has three different persons, and are distinct as well.

Basic math will tell you that 1+1+1=3, yet trinitarians somehow think it is just one.

This so-called problem has been with Christianity since the very beginning of the religion and it has never been resolved. In fact, it is the reason why there are so many different denominations, its an inherent flaw that makes the trinity unworkable since it has no sound logical basis, and is therefore incompatible with the modern world and basic thinking in general.

The trinity can only work if you believe in 3 gods, and thats polytheism, not monotheism.
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Here is why: The bible is made up of writings that do not all mesh together. The holy trinity doctrine is mental gymnastics, that tries to make an excuse for inconsistencies. The holy ghost and god are two different religious beliefs, that were combined together by Jewish doctrine, despite them being two different god concepts imagined by different factions through many years. Jesus on the other hand became a god, since the Jewish bible already made it possible to do such a thing.

And they have to assert that its monotheism since if they didnt then the doctrine would die fast since the bible made it clear that there can only be one god. Without the holy trinity doctrine the bible is extremely flawed and thee is not much reason to believe jesus is the ticket to heaven.

To simplify it: The holy trinity doctrine is not in the bible. Without it though the bible makes no sense. So despite the 10 commandments, they had to alter the bible or their religion would disappear altogether.
 
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RAMOSS said:
That particualr sentence is strong indication that your claim is incorrect.
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only if you are dishonest. which well we already know that about you.
 
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ludin said:
only if you are dishonest. which well we already know that about you.
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On the contrary, it is only if you don't have the preconception that God is a trinity, and you can read in context.

it is also knowing what the function of an intermediary is. You don't have a boss as an intermediary between the boss and the employees.
 
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It is easy to see how ancient man could have conceived of a Trinity that conformed to the cycle of the day, especially if the deity was a sun god.

At night your body is “dead to the world” and you communicate with the holy spirit in your dreams. In the morning your “dead” body is resurrected by the “young” sun/son who provides lifegiving warmth. However, by midday, the nature of the sun has changed, becoming hot and oppressive as the sun god/father punishes his disobedient subjects.
 
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Omega Man said:
Or so humanoids in our spatial and temporal dimension have suggested. Too bad these gods can't be bothered to simply manifest themselves to enlighten us in no uncertain terms. Or maybe they do, and we just don't see or hear them. Maybe it's the wind in the trees.


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Gods and spirits have manifested themselves to our species in all times and places, including now. All mystical approaches to religion involve direct communication with god(s) however they might be defined.

In primitive tribal societies people experienced spirits everywhere all the time. And even in modern societies, spirits and gods are experienced as a normal part of life for many.

But not everyone can experience this kind of spiritual communication. This may be partly because our modern society is so focused on the physical senses, and on verbal thought. This can distract from the the more subtle spiritual senses and intuitions.

You should not generalize from your own personal experience of godlessness. Even though atheism seems so common on forums like this, some degree of spiritual awareness is probably more common.
 
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RobertU said:
It is easy to see how ancient man could have conceived of a Trinity that conformed to the cycle of the day, especially if the deity was a sun god.

At night your body is “dead to the world” and you communicate with the holy spirit in your dreams. In the morning your “dead” body is resurrected by the “young” sun/son who provides lifegiving warmth. However, by midday, the nature of the sun has changed, becoming hot and oppressive as the sun god/father punishes his disobedient subjects.
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Exactly...nothing but paganism tied up in the trinity doctrine...
 
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RobertU said:
It is easy to see how ancient man could have conceived of a Trinity that conformed to the cycle of the day, especially if the deity was a sun god.

At night your body is “dead to the world” and you communicate with the holy spirit in your dreams. In the morning your “dead” body is resurrected by the “young” sun/son who provides lifegiving warmth. However, by midday, the nature of the sun has changed, becoming hot and oppressive as the sun god/father punishes his disobedient subjects.
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Make up stories, assume your made up stories are true. Very scientific!
 
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Elvira said:
Exactly...nothing but paganism tied up in the trinity doctrine...
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Well, yes and no. I believe that so-called pagan gods may represent a higher reality that is expressed in our world through the spiritual language of metaphors.
 
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Good4Nothin said:
Gods and spirits have manifested themselves to our species in all times and places, including now. All mystical approaches to religion involve direct communication with god(s) however they might be defined.

In primitive tribal societies people experienced spirits everywhere all the time. And even in modern societies, spirits and gods are experienced as a normal part of life for many.

But not everyone can experience this kind of spiritual communication. This may be partly because our modern society is so focused on the physical senses, and on verbal thought. This can distract from the the more subtle spiritual senses and intuitions.

You should not generalize from your own personal experience of godlessness. Even though atheism seems so common on forums like this, some degree of spiritual awareness is probably more common.
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Allegedly.
 
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Good4Nothin said:
Gods and spirits have manifested themselves to our species in all times and places, including now. All mystical approaches to religion involve direct communication with god(s) however they might be defined.

In primitive tribal societies people experienced spirits everywhere all the time. And even in modern societies, spirits and gods are experienced as a normal part of life for many.

But not everyone can experience this kind of spiritual communication. This may be partly because our modern society is so focused on the physical senses, and on verbal thought. This can distract from the the more subtle spiritual senses and intuitions.

You should not generalize from your own personal experience of godlessness. Even though atheism seems so common on forums like this, some degree of spiritual awareness is probably more common.
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I wasn't referring to endorphins or peyote.


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Omega Man said:
I wasn't referring to endorphins or peyote.


OM
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The primitive tribal societies do not meet gods and spirits until they take a substantial hit of something.
 
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Omega Man said:
The term "divine" in the NWT was mistranslated from the original Greek use of Θεότητος (Theotētos), which refers specifically to a manifest deity. Oddly enough, the use of Θεότητος in the original texts is indicative of a feminine singular association - not masculine.


OM
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Why is that odd?
 
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zyzygy said:
The primitive tribal societies do not meet gods and spirits until they take a substantial hit of something.
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Statement made without knowledge or evidence. Empty meaningless bias.
 
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Natural science encompasses any of the sciences (as physics, chemistry, or biology) that deal with matter, energy, and their interrelations and transformations or with objectively measurable phenomena. Since God is not measurable, a much larger percentage of scientists in the United Stated are atheists compared to that in the general population.

The majority of psychiatrists and evolutionists teach that man’s inborn instinct to have faith in God is a product of evolution. Materialist neuroscientists and philosophers hold that mind, consciousness, and self are by-products of the brain’s electrical and chemical processes, and that RSMEs [religious/spiritual/mystical experiences] are “nothing but” brain states or delusions created by neural activity. Accordingly these scientists and philosophers believe that there is no spiritual source for RSMEs, that is, they think that the human brain creates these experiences and, in so doing, creates God.
https://justprayno.org/2015/03/10/psychotropic-medications-alter-the-brains-chemical-levels/
 
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zyzygy said:
Natural science encompasses any of the sciences (as physics, chemistry, or biology) that deal with matter, energy, and their interrelations and transformations or with objectively measurable phenomena. Since God is not measurable, a much larger percentage of scientists in the United Stated are atheists compared to that in the general population.

The majority of psychiatrists and evolutionists teach that man’s inborn instinct to have faith in God is a product of evolution. Materialist neuroscientists and philosophers hold that mind, consciousness, and self are by-products of the brain’s electrical and chemical processes, and that RSMEs [religious/spiritual/mystical experiences] are “nothing but” brain states or delusions created by neural activity. Accordingly these scientists and philosophers believe that there is no spiritual source for RSMEs, that is, they think that the human brain creates these experiences and, in so doing, creates God.
https://justprayno.org/2015/03/10/psychotropic-medications-alter-the-brains-chemical-levels/
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Or as I had stated rather succinctly to IJM, "I wasn't referring to endorphins or peyote". :)


OM
 
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zyzygy said:
Natural science encompasses any of the sciences (as physics, chemistry, or biology) that deal with matter, energy, and their interrelations and transformations or with objectively measurable phenomena. Since God is not measurable, a much larger percentage of scientists in the United Stated are atheists compared to that in the general population.

The majority of psychiatrists and evolutionists teach that man’s inborn instinct to have faith in God is a product of evolution. Materialist neuroscientists and philosophers hold that mind, consciousness, and self are by-products of the brain’s electrical and chemical processes, and that RSMEs [religious/spiritual/mystical experiences] are “nothing but” brain states or delusions created by neural activity. Accordingly these scientists and philosophers believe that there is no spiritual source for RSMEs, that is, they think that the human brain creates these experiences and, in so doing, creates God.
https://justprayno.org/2015/03/10/psychotropic-medications-alter-the-brains-chemical-levels/
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Yes I think we already know what materialist neuroscientists and philosophers think, and that you think whatever they think. Do you really need to keep repeating the same thing?
 
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Omega Man said:
Or as I had stated rather succinctly to IJM, "I wasn't referring to endorphins or peyote". :)


OM
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And, as I answered you, I wasn't either.
 
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