[W:1296] PUTIN FEARS COUP Russian tanks in Moscow to ‘secure Kremlin’ as cowering Putin fears Wagner group are launching coup to overthrow him

[Felis Leo]

The FSB seems to have flipped. At least some Russian Army units have flipped.

Well this is...unexpected.

 

[Variant]

Under the communist flag. The Russian people are not that anymore despite what you want to believe.

Just a statement of fact, not desire. The USSR also included Ukraine for instance so it's capacity was quite a bit more.

 

[Gatsby]

The war in Ukraine is over.

Wagner now controls the supply lines in and out of Ukraine, which means that they have 200K Russian soldiers as their POWs.

However this ends, Russia is done in Ukraine. Either they will be forced out due to lack of supplies; or Prigozhin will agree to supply them in exchange for control over them (and then withdraw or garrison them); or the Russian Army will need to divert its efforts in Ukraine to dislodge Wagner.

All of those scenarios end in a total, humiliating defeat for the Russian Army in Ukraine.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Creepier how Putin-fluffers like @anatta are desperately trying to equate democracy supporters with Pro-Vietnam hard hats of the Sixties.

 

[Tigerace117]

I remember that coup attempt being stopped with a single bullet.

That it was able to get that far at all is a damning indictment given Trumper incompetence

 

[Geoist]

It’s certainly fascinating how the perception of Wagner has done a 180 since they started fighting against Putin, yes.

So you think the pro-Ukraine side should be rooting for Putin?

 

[Winston]

The war in Ukraine is over.

Wagner now controls the supply lines in and out of Ukraine, which means that they have 200K Russian soldiers as their POWs.

However this ends, Russia is done in Ukraine. Either they will be forced out due to lack of supplies; or Prigozhin will agree to supply them in exchange for control over them (and then withdraw or garrison them); or the Russian Army will need to divert its efforts in Ukraine to dislodge Wagner.

All of those scenarios end in a total, humiliating defeat for the Russian Army in Ukraine.

You don’t think Prigozhin will pick up where Putin left off?

 

[Variant]

The war in Ukraine is over.

Wagner now controls the supply lines in and out of Ukraine, which means that they have 200K Russian soldiers as their POWs.

However this ends, Russia is done in Ukraine. Either they will be forced out due to lack of supplies; or Prigozhin will agree to supply them in exchange for control over them (and then withdraw or garrison them); or the Russian Army will need to divert its efforts in Ukraine to dislodge Wagner.

All of those scenarios end in a total, humiliating defeat for the Russian Army in Ukraine.

My hope is that Prigozhin doesn't simply want control of the war.

 

[Higgins86]

The war in Ukraine is over.

Wagner now controls the supply lines in and out of Ukraine, which means that they have 200K Russian soldiers as their POWs.

However this ends, Russia is done in Ukraine. Either they will be forced out due to lack of supplies; or Prigozhin will agree to supply them in exchange for control over them (and then withdraw or garrison them); or the Russian Army will need to divert its efforts in Ukraine to dislodge Wagner.

All of those scenarios end in a total, humiliating defeat for the Russian Army in Ukraine.

Great news for Ukraine but globally we’ve now entered an even more dangerous phase. What do we do with Russia as it implodes with its absolutely massive nuclear arsenal.

 

[Tigerace117]

So you think the pro-Ukraine side should be rooting for Putin?

Rooting for the ****ing Wagner Group shows what drivel the “but Putin” cries would be, yes.

 

[Variant]

That it was able to get that far at all is a damning indictment given Trumper incompetence

It was rather soft and ill lead, but what you say is true, incompetence both in the attempt and in the defense. I was saying the other day that it was disappointing how the capitol police didn't kill more of them on the spot.

 

[Gatsby]

You don’t think Prigozhin will pick up where Putin left off?

No. In recent weeks he has said that the Russian government lied about the reasons for the invasion. So it sounds like he isn't on board with it anymore, if he ever was. Unlike Putin, Shoigu, and Gerassimov, he could withdraw Russian troops without personally looking stupid or admitting to a mistake.

 

[Winston]

Man, watching Russia self destruct has been unnerving and relieving at the same time

 

[yankintx]

Under the communist flag. The Russian people are not that anymore despite what you want to believe.

The bravest Soviet soldiers in WW2 where Ukranian. A fact that escaped Putin pre invasion.

 

[Geoist]

Rooting for the ****ing Wagner Group shows what drivel the “but Putin” cries would be, yes.

I'm rooting for Wagner to expose Putin/Kremlin to the Russian people to be the paper tiger they are. Not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

 

[Felis Leo]

You don’t think Prigozhin will pick up where Putin left off?

Prigozhin is a brutal butcher and a nationalist. He may just do that. However, if the Ukrainians can capitalize on this chaos and move into the Donbas and drive the Russians back past the original borders, I think we can see a ceasefire like that between North and South Korea (not a formalized peace). If that happens, the Ukrainians can probably set up a demilitarized zone between Ukraine and Russia in the meantime to prevent future Russian incursions, again, like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

 

[Higgins86]

Rooting for the ****ing Wagner Group shows what drivel the “but Putin” cries would be, yes.

Being happy that this development might bring relief to the Ukraine is not rooting for Wagner. Many ppl are now very concerned about what happens next.
You however have been on the wrong side of this from the get go. Try some humility for once.

 

[Variant]

Rooting for the ****ing Wagner Group shows what drivel the “but Putin” cries would be, yes.

Wagner might in fact be doing everyone a solid right now. If Russia collapses and retreats we can all be spared the months or years of them being forced from Ukraine and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

 

[Wiggen]

Where is Tucker Carlson when we really need him?

 

[lwf]

Rooting for the ****ing Wagner Group shows what drivel the “but Putin” cries would be, yes.

Weren't you just rooting for them a few months ago?

 

[Winston]

Where is Tucker Carlson when we really need him?

Figuring out how he can shoehorn various right wing boogeymen into this

 

[lwf]

Where is Tucker Carlson when we really need him?

Trying to figure out a way to replace another revenue stream he just lost.

 

[soap box]

Figuring out how he can shoehorn various right wing boogeymen into this

Obviously it's all Hunter's fault.

 

[Felis Leo]

Figuring out how he can shoehorn various right wing boogeymen into this

I'm sure he will call Prigozhin a violent transgender activist.

 

[Felis Leo]

My hope is that Prigozhin doesn't simply want control of the war.

This was a terrible way to do it, because his army corps'-worth of men just left the front lines leaving a gap and a swath of chaos behind them for the Ukrainians to exploit.