[W: #1063] 2024 Presidential Election night discussion

[Corbell]

Perhaps you should handle your business your way, and I'll handle mine my way?

Your targetting a significant portion of my country and attacking their right to celebrate their history. That IS my business.

And iti s worth nothing, that regional history is part of my national history, so again, on another level, still my business.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I love it when the forum anti-Trumps, the majority of this forum, make my points for me.

I’m anti things with proven track records for failure, and Trump has such a track record,

That’s doesn’t mean I don’t respect we live in a society where other people’s choices count. I get, and accept, majority rules. So I’ll deal with it. I just wish those others were smarter about those choices. The DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE this wasn’t smart is right out there to be seen. It’s real. Measurable. The facts make the case.

I’m just not a fan that this is going to, in the long run, make folks like me (and likely you as I gather we share economic class, needs and wants) lives more difficult.

That I can look at a pool full of shitty water, recognize it as that, and feel no need to go wading in it, but to have a group of folk I live with who can’t and feel the need jump in grab me by the hand and pull me along as they do so is not something I have to enjoy. I’m allowed to, politely, be candid with my displeasure.

That I am candid about my feelings doesn’t mean I can’t still be understood to be respectful of our system. This is what it is. We’ll see where it goes. I’ll work within that system to limit the damage and work with anybody and everybody who wants to be constructive about making compromises to get to common goals.

Down the road I’ll acknowledge if I wrong. If I’m right, and the evidence suggests that’s more likely than not, you’re going to get a major. “I told you so.”, but I won’t expect a, ‘You know, I get it now. You were right.” In response.

 

[Schweddy]

How the fudge can a guy who’s supposedly educated about vaccines not know the basics - that the efficacy of vaccinations often depends upon the extent that OTHERS are vaccinated?

If you don't want to take a vax, don't. If you do, by all means be informed and take it to secure yourself. All he is saying is people need to be informed of the side effects and have that choice.

Efficacy of cough syrup doesn't depend on if your neighbor takes it, how is a vax any different? One doesn't take aspirin because their cousin might get a headache.

There is no way to prove that hospitalization is less because one took the vax, that data is directly based on feels and a meme.

It’s astoundingly stupid stuff- literally a basic concept in infectious disease teaching and a cornerstone in development of new vaccines.

You hit the nail on the head and didn't even realize it "new" vaccines aren't required to be tested.

 

[fireflygmf]

If you don't want to take a vax, don't. If you do, by all means be informed and take it to secure yourself. All he is saying is people need to be informed of the side effects and have that choice.

Efficacy of cough syrup doesn't depend on if your neighbor takes it, how is a vax any different? One doesn't take aspirin because their cousin might get a headache.

There is no way to prove that hospitalization is less because one took the vax, that data is directly based on feels and a meme.


You hit the nail on the head and didn't even realize it "new" vaccines aren't required to be tested.

It doesn't seem like they're making the point for any individual person. If that person is vaccinated against measles, then that person is fine. I think the argument is: "to prevent widespread transmission, a high degree of people need to be vaccinated". This is particularly true for a high R value virus like measles. High transmission within a society can be damaging to economy, health system etc.

 

[Desert Storm]

 

[Tangmo]

He isn't anti-vax either.

The bold and overbearing K Jr is trying to worm his way around the vax stuff.

He's fast and loose and yapping all the time if only for the sake of it.

I see a glib guy who doesn't know whether he's coming or going because what matters to him is that he's always being quoted and on camera. He reminds me of his alter ego he's spending his time with right now. I mean Hershel Walker Him Self is back now.

 

[Desert Storm]

 

[jmotivator]

There is hope for California. Every single county voted yes to a ballot measure to start enforcing the law again.



A massive rebuke to the far left CA agenda.

 

[Desert Storm]

There is hope for California. Every single county voted yes to a ballot measure to start enforcing the law again.

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A massive rebuke to the far left CA agenda.

It's insane they let it go on for this long.

But liberals are stupid, we all know that

 

[jmotivator]

It's insane they let it go on for this long.

But liberals are stupid, we all know that

Liberals and progressives are who Winston Churchill was talking about when he famously said "America will always do the right thing -- after exhausting all the alternatives."

 

[Tangmo]

If you cared to read the thread trail, I was responding to someone else's post that stated Trump said he would use the military to quell rioters. My contention was not with that.
My comment was given that he might do so, what makes anyone think he would not do so in a biased manner, would have plenty of support. Did you not see two completely different responses and extreme differential bias to BLM riot/protests and J6 riot/protests.

I do hope your comment about the military is right.

I appreciate your desire to support my posts that point out 98.9% of Americans have no clue about their military -- or the nature of military service in the USA armed forces which since 1776 is to fight for and to support democracy at home and abroad.

I have been attending to the thread almost exclusively since Tuesday given I've had to come and go so I haven't been able to follow the sequence of the scrolling a it goes.

It was enough for me to read in your post that it went with the flow of the poster you were quoting and that I picked up on. That is, the poster you quoted and replied to stated as his given that the armed forces would enforce Trump's armband instincts and do it as a nonchalant matter of course. Your post going with this flow stated no disagreement whatsoever, ie, it simply went with that flow of thought and belief. So while it is regrettable you and I are tangling about this, it's not due to my doing. I read what your post said and I responded to it.

 

[Ikari]

I tried watching Harris' concession speech. Had to turn it off when she said something about preserving the constitution.

Yeah, we all know MAGAs don't care about preserving the constitution.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

If you don't want to take a vax, don't. If you do, by all means be informed and take it to secure yourself. All he is saying is people need to be informed of the side effects and have that choice.

This is what is troubling to me about Trump supporters, among others, who don’t fact check.

You all act like there isn’t a documented record of public persons that gives a full narrative view of their past actions and spoken words on a multitude of topics. You ignore Trump’s that proves him to be a gawd awful human being and your ignoring Robert Jr’s now.

Sure RFK jr is saying he’d not pull access to vaccines, now. He’s been all over the place on this subject in the past. As well as being a documented conspiracy supporter. So is it what he says, that sounds like a matter of convenience now, or what he’s said even up to the recent past.

Here is some of the documentation:

FactChecking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - FactCheck.org

Our SciCheck team has combed through RFK Jr's recent interviews to identify and correct some of his most common health claims.

www.factcheck.org

The problem some of us have with our national brethren is we sincerely wish they’d do some homework before buying in. We see their failure to self-inform as the reason they could abide lending their votes to someone like Trump.

There are only two reasons to lend support to someone like Donald Trump to get what you want:

1) You aren’t aware of just how despicable a low life he is.

In which case inform yourself better.

2) You are fully aware of just who and what he is and simply don’t care.

In which case get yourself in front of a mirror and ask yourself some serious, hard, questions about what that might suggest about yourself.

 

[Threegoofs]

If you don't want to take a vax, don't. If you do, by all means be informed and take it to secure yourself. All he is saying is people need to be informed of the side effects and have that choice.

Efficacy of cough syrup doesn't depend on if your neighbor takes it, how is a vax any different? One doesn't take aspirin because their cousin might get a headache.

Yeah- the efficacy of a vaccine often depends tremendously on if your neighbor takes it.

It’s a category of therapeutics that is quite diffferent from most others, like aspirin. Antibiotics have similar issues, but the reverse effects. Overuse and misuse causes resistance- there’s an entire discipline of antibiotic stewardship devoted to this.

Like I said, it’s Infectious Disease 101.

Also, a concept that doesn’t align with libertarian thought, snd thus reflexively dismissed by them.

There is no way to prove that hospitalization is less because one took the vax, that data is directly based on feels and a meme.

Thanks for informing us that medical literature has been wrong for a century.

Decreased outcomes, including hospitalizations, are well documented with many vaccines.

Seen a polio hospital lately? Or is that just my ‘feels’? LOL

You hit the nail on the head and didn't even realize it "new" vaccines aren't required to be tested.

WTF?

Amazing statement. It tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of vaccines, or medicine in general.

 

[X Factor]

Are you as surprised as the rest of us?

Sorry Allan, I don’t remember if I answered you. I treat every election the same and just assume the candidate I support won’t win but then hope for a pleasant surprise and early Wednesday morning, I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[Schweddy]

Yeah- the efficacy of a vaccine often depends tremendously on if your neighbor takes it.

You missed the point entirely.

It’s a category of therapeutics that is quite diffferent from most others, like aspirin. Antibiotics have similar issues, but the reverse effects. Overuse and misuse causes resistance- there’s an entire discipline of antibiotic stewardship devoted to this.

Like I said, it’s Infectious Disease 101.

Also, a concept that doesn’t align with libertarian thought, snd thus reflexively dismissed by them.

I dismiss nothing as far as I am aware. But what you do with your body in no way affects mine.

Thanks for informing us that medical literature has been wrong for a century.

Um... you're welcome? Please prove that taking the vax caused less hospitalization with people who got the vax AND were hospitalized.
I'll help. You can't prove a negative.

Seen a polio hospital lately? Or is that just my ‘feels’? LOL

No, but you should read up on the story of Polio. It will turn your stomach.

Amazing statement. It tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of vaccines, or medicine in general.

You're right, I'm not a doctor nor pretend to play one. It's only opinion.

 

[X Factor]

It’s funny, Dems enjoy the support of most mainstream news outlets on network and cable but when righties find ways to bypass those, they deem it unfair. This has been a thing since Rush Limbaugh became popular on talk radio.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[X Factor]

This is what is troubling to me about Trump supporters, among others, who don’t fact check.

You all act like there isn’t a documented record of public persons that gives a full narrative view of their past actions and spoken words on a multitude of topics. You ignore Trump’s that proves him to be a gawd awful human being and your ignoring Robert Jr’s now.

Sure RFK jr is saying he’d not pull access to vaccines, now. He’s been all over the place on this subject in the past. As well as being a documented conspiracy supporter. So is it what he says, that sounds like a matter of convenience now, or what he’s said even up to the recent past.

Here is some of the documentation:

FactChecking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - FactCheck.org

Our SciCheck team has combed through RFK Jr's recent interviews to identify and correct some of his most common health claims.

www.factcheck.org

The problem some of us have with our national brethren is we sincerely wish they’d do some homework before buying in. We see their failure to self-inform as the reason they could abide lending their votes to someone like Trump.

There are only two reasons to lend support to someone like Donald Trump to get what you want:

1) You aren’t aware of just how despicable a low life he is.

In which case inform yourself better.

2) You are fully aware of just who and what he is and simply don’t care.

In which case get yourself in front of a mirror and ask yourself some serious, hard, questions about what that might suggest about yourself.

Ughh, your condescending tone is irritating.

 

[X Factor]

Lol, she rocks.