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Virginia bill SB 868 - Allowing Freedom to discriminate against and persecute Christians

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

It took only one judge to overturn California Proposition 8, so maybe we can find one judge to overturn this very bad law.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

Where does the Bible require Christians to individually persecute or discriminate against LGBTQ people?
 

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The OP lies through his teeth because he's dishonest and has an agenda. This bill is for protections of LGBTQ people, not to persecute Christians. Not getting to degrade and mistreat LGBTQ people does not make you persecuted. Literally nowhere in the bible does it say you must fire your employee if you find out they're homosexual.

The government is not your weapon to use against others.
 

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Where does the Bible require Christians to individually persecute or discriminate against LGBTQ people?

It's right there in the Epistle of Saint Trump to the Tweetarians, chapter 3, verses 4 to 6:

4: Thou shalt persecute all LGBTQ people.
5: Thou mustest discriminate against all LGBTQ people
6: Verily I say unto you, Those gays and transgenders are ungodly and deserve our scorn. Forgettest what I said about loving thy neighbor. If thy neighbor is not a heterosexual all male or all female, thou mayest hate on them.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

No doubt there are some legal beagles cheering this for the litany of lawsuits that will likely be generated. Unless one is muslim, religious beliefs have been taking a figurative beating for some time. Deservedly for a very few but not so for the majority.
probably there will be much consternation for some and too much gloating for others with both sides missing a major and what should be THE major concern:
The liberty of 'Freedom of association'..
That is about what we ALL should be concerned.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

You are against basic human rights- Not Jesus though he was for them
 

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Do you also feel discriminated against because you can't stone witches to death?
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

So your argument that Christians are poor victims is that Christians can no longer victimize others in certain situations...
 

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So your argument that Christians are poor victims is that Christians can no longer victimize others in certain situations...

That's about the gist of it
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

So a law protecting LGBTQ people is actually a law allowing people to persecute Christians, who make up 78% of the US population?

Where do you come up with this bull****?

As an aside, I'm originally from Virginia and I'm proud of my home state.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

That Hate in your heart along with your Many Lies are not going to put you in good standing when your judgement day arrives, I would suggest trying to be more like Christ and less like Satan.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

FFS, no they did not. All Virginia did was stop today's "conservatives" from economically and socially isolating LGBTQ people today just as they did to minorities several decades ago, using damn near the same text for the same intention of weaponizing their rights into marginalizing someone else.

"Make no mistake," this is about stopping theocratic lunatics who want the power of government to harm who they do not like today (just as they wanted back then.)

No one is harming your freedoms and Christianity is not being persecuted, all you lost was theocracy just as the constitution intended.
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

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The OP lies through his teeth because he's dishonest and has an agenda. This bill is for protections of LGBTQ people, not to persecute Christians.

shocker



wait, isn't one of the Ten Commandments about lying?
 

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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

You should be ashamed to wallow in religious paranoia and butthurt in response to liberty for people whose sexuality is more real than your god.
 

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you know, i think this Ten Commandments for Young Kids should be posted here a lot...


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Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

Christianity must mean something more than hating your neighbor.
 

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Where does the Bible require Christians to individually persecute or discriminate against LGBTQ people?

There are many passages in the Bible where God warns His people to disassociate themselves from the wicked and to separate themselves from sin.


2 Corinthians 6:17
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”
 

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The OP lies through his teeth because he's dishonest and has an agenda. This bill is for protections of LGBTQ people, not to persecute Christians. Not getting to degrade and mistreat LGBTQ people does not make you persecuted. Literally nowhere in the bible does it say you must fire your employee if you find out they're homosexual.

The government is not your weapon to use against others.

When the state fines a Christian for believing and obeying the Bible then the state is under the wicked influence and direction of the devil.
 

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You are against basic human rights- Not Jesus though he was for them

Christians must obey God regardless of what evil humans do to them for that.

Ephesians 5:11
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”


Sodomy is a sin. Christians are called on by God to rebuke and reprove sin, not embrace it.
 

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So your argument that Christians are poor victims is that Christians can no longer victimize others in certain situations...

The wicked have hated Christians for thousands of years because the wicked hate God.

John 15:18
“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.”
John 15:18
 

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So a law protecting LGBTQ people is actually a law allowing people to persecute Christians, who make up 78% of the US population?

Where do you come up with this bull****?

As an aside, I'm originally from Virginia and I'm proud of my home state.

Virginia lawmakers may have meant well, but nothing the say or do can relieve the Christian of his responsibility to reprove sinners (as sodomites) of sin (as sodomy.)


2 Timothy 4

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
 

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FFS, no they did not. All Virginia did was stop today's "conservatives" from economically and socially isolating LGBTQ people today just as they did to minorities several decades ago, using damn near the same text for the same intention of weaponizing their rights into marginalizing someone else.

"Make no mistake," this is about stopping theocratic lunatics who want the power of government to harm who they do not like today (just as they wanted back then.)

No one is harming your freedoms and Christianity is not being persecuted, all you lost was theocracy just as the constitution intended.

Christians are bound by obedience to God to stand in stout rebuke of fornication sins such as sodomy.
 

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When the state fines a Christian for believing and obeying the Bible then the state is under the wicked influence and direction of the devil.

Nobody is doing that. You can't point to one Bible verse that says you have to fire your employee if you find out he's gay.

There are many passages in the Bible where God warns His people to disassociate themselves from the wicked and to separate themselves from sin.


2 Corinthians 6:17
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”

You're a hardcore Trump supporter so you obviously don't live that.
 
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