Virginia bill SB 868 - Allowing Freedom to discriminate against and persecute Christians

[Aunt Antifa]

Christians have no protection from those who hate them and speak evil of them for their faith and neither do homosexuals. Those barbarians who unjustly and immorally criticize others without cause still have their first amendment rights to speak evil of those they hate. Look at all the hatred the wicked leftist barbarians have been heaping on Trump for 4 years.

If you don’t hate Donald J Trump at this point, you hate America and Jesus Christ.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

FFS, no they did not. All Virginia did was stop today's "conservatives" from economically and socially isolating LGBTQ people today just as they did to minorities several decades ago, using damn near the same text for the same intention of weaponizing their rights into marginalizing someone else.

"Make no mistake," this is about stopping theocratic lunatics who want the power of government to harm who they do not like today (just as they wanted back then.)

No one is harming your freedoms and Christianity is not being persecuted, all you lost was theocracy just as the constitution intended.

Ah! And the arguments being used today by so-called "Christians" are the same ones they used against civil rights back in the day. Somethings never change.

 

[danielpalos]

Christians have no protection from those who hate them and speak evil of them for their faith and neither do homosexuals. Those barbarians who unjustly and immorally criticize others without cause still have their first amendment rights to speak evil of those they hate. Look at all the hatred the wicked leftist barbarians have been heaping on Trump for 4 years.

Job 34:30 applies, right wingers. It all starts with the very First, fallacy.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Homosexuals do not have the right to trample all over Christians' Constitutional rights to exercise their religious beliefs in public.

There's nothing in this law that prohibits you from exercising your religious beliefs in public.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Ah! And the arguments being used today by so-called "Christians" are the same ones they used against civil rights back in the day. Somethings never change.

I kid you not, look in the history books and aged articles from the period.

The very same argument, down to even some of the same 'lessons from the Bible,' are being used today to justify discrimination against the LGBTQ community that were use decades ago to justify discrimination against minorities.

We are literally seeing today from "conservatives" the argument to put up 'no gays and lesbians allowed' in store fronts that damn near mimics the same 'no colored people allowed' signs back then.

Same argument, same intention, same result... just different targets for that same theocratic leaning conservative Christian ideological hatred that history is filled to the brim with.

 

[Questerr]

There are many passages in the Bible where God warns His people to disassociate themselves from the wicked and to separate themselves from sin.


2 Corinthians 6:17
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”

But everyone is a sinner according to Christianity. Are all Christians supposed to be hermits who associate with no one?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Rules #1 and #2 mean the state and homosexuals have to take a back seat to God and the Bible.

So you think the state ought to pass laws against "sinning." And you and your fellow Christians will be necessary to define which sins are punished by the state, correct? These laws would apply equally to both Christian believers and non-believers alike, right?

 

[Binary_Digit]

Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

Here's a novel idea: How about we all stop fretting over what consenting adults prefer to do in their own bedrooms? That's between them and God, and is nobody else's damn business.

Why Christians choose to get so hung up on homosexuality, while saying NOTHING about bacon-wrapped shrimp or people working on the Sabbath, I may never understand. Selective and hypocritical outrage at its finest.

If you aren't harmed by it, then it's none of your damn business. If you think it's a sin, fine, but that's between them and God. Nobody else, including YOU.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Christians like me condemn all sins of fornication, including adultery, homosexuality, pre-marital sex and so forth. What should Christians do about politicians who commit sexual sins? Ask God what to do and then do it.

Are politicians a special class? I ask because you singled them out.

And you asked God what to do? And he said "Thou shalt vote for Trump!"?

Does that mean anyone who did not vote for Trump has committed a sin against God? What shall we do about these sinners?

 

[Drawdown]

Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

They probably won't win next time due to the gun issue. What can be done, can be undone if the GOP so desires.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Everyone and everything takes a backseat to God. When God condemns sodomy everyone and everything is obligated to condemn sodomy as well.

And when God condemns eating shellfish, everyone is obligated to condemn eating shellfish as well? Shall we burn all Red Lobster restaurants to the ground? After all, they are unclean, according to God.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Homosexuals do not have the right to trample all over Christians' Constitutional rights to exercise their religious beliefs in public.

You are free to be as bigotted as you want....this law doesnt change that. All it does is prevent the government from supporting or subsiizing you for doing it.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I kid you not, look in the history books and aged articles from the period.

The very same argument, down to even some of the same 'lessons from the Bible,' are being used today to justify discrimination against the LGBTQ community that were use decades ago to justify discrimination against minorities.

We are literally seeing today from "conservatives" the argument to put up 'no gays and lesbians allowed' in store fronts that damn near mimics the same 'no colored people allowed' signs back then.

Same argument, same intention, same result... just different targets for that same theocratic leaning conservative Christian ideological hatred that history is filled to the brim with.

I recall when the debate to allow gays to openly serve in the military was raging. They literally used the exact same arguments that were used when fighting racial integration in the military from the 1940's. It's astonishing how they seem to be stuck in the past.

 

[Lisa]

Homosexuals do not have the right to trample all over Christians' Constitutional rights to exercise their religious beliefs in public.

The existence of LGBT people as equals is not trampling on the rights of religious bigots because their secular rights and freedoms are not dependant on your myths because they do not obey you or your church. You are required to treat them just as you would any member of your church. I am an atheist and religious bigots also cannot trample on my secular and religious rights because of what sky fairy you have been convinced exists or what your book of myths tells you to do. Your religious beliefs stop at the end of your nose where the equal religious and secular rights and their freedoms of others begin. You most certainly do not have the right to force others to obey you or to live by your beliefs.

Sodomy between consenting adults is legal and there is nothing that your beliefs can do about it. Lawrence v. Texas decision. {{meta.fullTitle}}

No, yes, and yes. In a 6-3 opinion delivered by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the Court held that the Texas statute making it a crime for two persons of the same sex to engage in certain intimate sexual conduct violates the Due Process Clause. After explaining what it deemed the doubtful and overstated premises of Bowers, the Court reasoned that the case turned on whether Lawrence and Garner were free as adults to engage in the private conduct in the exercise of their liberty under the Due Process Clause. "Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government," wrote Justice Kennedy. "The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual," continued Justice Kennedy. Accordingly, the Court overruled Bowers. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor filed an opinion concurring in the judgment. Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, with whom Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Thomas joined, filed dissents.

I recall when the debate to allow gays to openly serve in the military was raging. They literally used the exact same arguments that were used when fighting racial integration in the military from the 1940's. It's astonishing how they seem to be stuck in the past.

Conservatives love to recycle, but only the defenses for their bigotry, misogyny racism, and xenophobia. Most of these arguments have not changed in the past 200 years.

And when God condemns eating shellfish, everyone is obligated to condemn eating shellfish as well? Shall we burn all Red Lobster restaurants to the ground? After all, they are unclean, according to God.

When do they plan to picket Macy's for selling clothes made of 2 different fibers, or Pizza Hut and ever burger joint for selling cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza because people are not to eat the meat and dairy products of the same animal together?

Hypocrisy in defense of their bigotry is the ultimate sacrament to religious conservatives.

 

[D_NATURED]

you know, i think this Ten Commandments for Young Kids should be posted here a lot...

These commandments are dumb and will not help children be better people. Children deserve a rational moral code and not just commands from invisible narcissists.

Love God more than anything else? That sounds like the recipe for a terrorist, not a thoughtful, moral child. I can't believe people are still pushing this ****?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Everyone and everything takes a backseat to God. When God condemns sodomy everyone and everything is obligated to condemn sodomy as well.

God has condemned adultery, and yet the fundamentalists helped to elect an adulterer to the highest office in the land. Seems to me that they are picking and choosing which sins to condemn.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Genesis
Chapter 19

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

That was way before Jesus was born.

 

[armycowboy]

Everyone and everything takes a backseat to God. When God condemns sodomy everyone and everything is obligated to condemn sodomy as well.

What a sad existence, always angry about things that don't affect you and you have no control over.

Novel idea: Live your life, let others live theirs and let God judge.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I recall when the debate to allow gays to openly serve in the military was raging. They literally used the exact same arguments that were used when fighting racial integration in the military from the 1940's. It's astonishing how they seem to be stuck in the past.

Discrimination is discrimination. Only the target of that discrimination changes.

 

[noonereal]

Allowing Freedom to discriminate against and persecute Christians

about time!

 

[CaughtInThe]

These commandments are dumb and will not help children be better people. Children deserve a rational moral code and not just commands from invisible narcissists.

Love God more than anything else? That sounds like the recipe for a terrorist, not a thoughtful, moral child. I can't believe people are still pushing this ****?

i posted it for our religious posters who constantly start threads. kind of a "primer" on the stuff they forget they were supposed to do.

6-10 really apply to them. especially #9.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia lawmakers passed comprehensive anti-discrimination legislation Thursday that advocates said makes the state the first in the South to enact such protections for LGBTQ people.

Virginia passed an anti-discrimination law and YOU are becoming unhinged because the law might just prevent Christians from discriminating against LGBTQ? Lovely. Discrimination in the name of Jesus. Hating for the Lord. Jesus would be proud of you. :roll:

 

[Lisa]

Virginia passed an anti-discrimination law and YOU are becoming unhinged because the law might just prevent Christians from discriminating against LGBTQ? Lovely. Discrimination in the name of Jesus. Hating for the Lord. Jesus would be proud of you. :roll:

Basing your discrimination on your religious views is common among bigots because they can claim that is it divinely commanded and they must obey an omniscient and omnipotent god. The fact that they can also hide their bigotry behind the first Amdnement also cannot be ignored.

1.) I am convinced that is religious conservatives were required to obey the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their personal savior they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

2.) White evangelical Christian is an obvious euphemism for Dixiecrat

Jesus had a few words on the subject, but he only matters to these bigots on Christmas and Easter.

Matthew 22,

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Basing your discrimination on your religious views is common among bigots because they can claim that is it divinely commanded and they must obey an omniscient and omnipotent god. The fact that they can also hide their bigotry behind the first Amdnement also cannot be ignored.

1.) I am convinced that is religious conservatives were required to obey the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their personal savior they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

2.) White evangelical Christian is an obvious euphemism for Dixiecrat

Jesus had a few words on the subject, but he only matters to these bigots on Christmas and Easter.

Matthew 22,

What, even if thy neighbor is gay or trans?

 

[bongsaway]

Democrats in Virginia retook political power in 2018 and finally passed a bill allowing Virginians to freely discriminate against and persecute Christians for their faith. Expect more and greater open persecutions of Christians by democrats nationally if Biden wins in 2020.

The world of the ungodly do not see what they are doing as evil but that is exactly how to describe their legalization of open persecution of Christians because of their hatred of God. Christians did not write the Bible but Christians must believe and obey the Bible, and it will now cost them tens of thousands of dollars in fines in Virginia if they take Biblical stands against sodomy. The new democrat party advocates murdering babies in the womb at every stage of development including post birth abortions. That is also wicked, but democrats don't know it because they don't know God.

Virginia lawmakers pass protections for LGBTQ people

While opponents have raised concerns about impacts on religious freedom, advocates praised the passage of what they called urgently needed landmark human rights legislation. ...

“Make no mistake, this bill is intended to dismantle religious freedom and to force the government to make everyone conform to its version of marriage and sexuality," Republican Del. David LaRock said in a speech opposing the measure.

You have a marvelous talent for using religion to spout your hatred. I find you to be a rather disgusting human.