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Venezuela Is Falling Apart

rabbitcaebannog said:
The source you provided stated it had no evidence. I can't produce evidence of something that doesn't seem to be out there floating around. I will hold off on any discussion of something that has NO evidence to discuss. If in fact there is some sort of actual evidence of these assets and where they come from, I would be the first to love to see them. It would be very interesting to say the least.
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So, all you're going to do is cry about the source I used?

Hugo Chávez daughter is the richest individual in Venezuela, report claims | Fox News Latino
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Fox used the same source the tabloid used which was that Miami source and Fox even stated, "If the claim is true". That means there is no evidence as of today that the claim from that Miami source is true. They have not provided any evidence to back the claim.
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So, you ARE going to do nothing but cry about the source.

Do you have anything that can refute the claim that the Chavez girl is a billionaire?
 
apdst said:
So, you ARE going to do nothing but cry about the source.

Do you have anything that can refute the claim that the Chavez girl is a billionaire?
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Your own article can not even claim she is a billionaire. The two articles that you posted as a source specified that they could not back up the claim with evidence.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Your own article can not even claim she is a billionaire. The two articles that you posted as a source specified that they could not back up the claim with evidence.
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Well, yeah, they can claim that she is. Can you counter their claim?
 
apdst said:
Well, yeah, they can claim that she is. Can you counter their claim?
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Yes, things we read can publish all sorts of "claims" but without evidence, the claims should be taken with a grain of salt. I remember reading a tabloid at the supermarket counter about an alien that would shake hands with popular political candidates, that does not mean that I believed such a claim to be true. As a matter of fact, I laughed at the patheticness of the paper to try and sell to gullible people who eat that sh*t up. There was even a rag that used to claim there was a batboy living in NYC. It was rather bizarre but I'm sure there were people that believed it. I mean did anyone prove that this alien or batboy did not exist? :lamo
 
shrubnose said:
Who cares?

This is not a problem for the USA.
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It's important for the USA (and the rest of the world) to watch and not make the same mistake.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, things we read can publish all sorts of "claims" but without evidence, the claims should be taken with a grain of salt. I remember reading a tabloid at the supermarket counter about an alien that would shake hands with popular political candidates, that does not mean that I believed such a claim to be true. As a matter of fact, I laughed at the patheticness of the paper to try and sell to gullible people who eat that sh*t up. There was even a rag that used to claim there was a batboy living in NYC. It was rather bizarre but I'm sure there were people that believed it. I mean did anyone prove that this alien or batboy did not exist? :lamo
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I read in this one crazy newspaper that driving your car down the road can make the temperature rise in Alaska. :shock:
 
apdst said:
8f they help The United States, then Canada should be begging them to move to Canada. Why isn't that happening?
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Geography.

If they're so helpful to The United States, why aren't they helpful to Mexico? Mexico is a **** hole.
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Because a **** job in the US is better than a **** job in Mexico.

If it weren't for us, Canada would go belly up.
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We have a give-take relationship. You'd be hurt without Canada, too.
 
joG said:
Sorry that I added a PS. after you wrote your pledge to remain uninformed.
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You keep trying to make excuses and justifications as to why socialism is bad, but you refuse to accept that people who live in those societies are the most happy.
 
Middleground said:
Geography.



Because a **** job in the US is better than a **** job in Mexico.
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Jobs for example that only generate $3/hour couldn't be located in the US nor Canada.

Middleground said:
We have a give-take relationship. You'd be hurt without Canada, too.
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An answer that denies the assertion would be more effective. Canada has plenty of oil and produces enough wealth to stand on its own. Would you consider the relationship the US has with Canada an arm's length relationship? I don't see anyone being taken advantage of in relations between the US and Canada. Has Canada asked anyone to bail it out financially?
 
Middleground said:
The oil bust.
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Just to be clear I wasn't looking for a intellectually lazy answer.

I take the time and effort to thoroughly research the issues that are discussed on this forum so its the least you could do to do the same

Oil prices are a side note to Venezuela's substantial problems
Chavez and his idiot Socialist central planners mismanaged every industry they appropriated including Venezuela's oil industry.

When idiot leftist who have no concept of market principles or how to run a profitable and productive bussiness steal private property and industry and chase off the people who know what they're doing its only a matter of time before that bussiness is stripped down to nothing and run into the ground

While driving other economic sectors into the ground through mismanagement, corruption and neglect the Venezuelan Govt foolishly decided to structure their economy around a single volatile commodity

Venezuela's socialist central planners never made any attempt to diversify their economy away from oil and grow other sectors which would include manufacturing and agriculture

So, Venezuela became heavily dependent on imports for basic goods and food. Venezuela has to import COFFEE .....Lol

Whats worse is when Oil prices fell the Venezuelan Govt thought it would be a great idea to print money for profit as a way to make up for lost revenue

Its called " Seigniorage " and its the profit a sovereign nation recieves when the cost to print and mint is less that the face vale of the new currency

No Nation does this to any extent because its a dangerous and moronic way to create revenue, so who in their right mind would be STUPID enough to try it ?

Venezuela's Socialist Govt thats who. Venezuela has biblical shortages because importers dont want to be paid with worthless Bolivars.

They burned their creditors and now there are even foreign airlines that wont fly their anymore because they lose money every flight.

Venezuela would keep printing too if they could, problem is they can't even pay for the paper the Bolivar is printed on
 
Middleground said:
Geography.



Because a **** job in the US is better than a **** job in Mexico.



We have a give-take relationship. You'd be hurt without Canada, too.
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Geography? Yeah, you're right. The last thing Canadians want is for millions of illegals to start pouring across the border.

That doesn't explain how they're so good for our economy.

Without us, Canada would be up **** creek.
 
Middleground said:
Canada, Sweden, Finland, Australia are all socialist countries. They're also countries that have the happiest people.

Don't be afraid of the boogieman.
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The boogieman? Who would that be? Freedom and liberty? Don't think so.
 
Middleground said:
You keep trying to make excuses and justifications as to why socialism is bad, but you refuse to accept that people who live in those societies are the most happy.
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Oh. Really? I thought I was just reminding of the economic literature on socialism. It doesn't even work very well in small groups except with intrusive controls. In large communities you require large and oppressive bureaucracies and cannot even then achieve welfare optimum except in a very theoretical way. That is the charm of individual profit seeking in markets with a state that only produces public goods.
 
SDET said:
An answer that denies the assertion would be more effective. Canada has plenty of oil and produces enough wealth to stand on its own. Would you consider the relationship the US has with Canada an arm's length relationship? I don't see anyone being taken advantage of in relations between the US and Canada. Has Canada asked anyone to bail it out financially?
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Our economies are so intertwined that the loss of one would probably hurt the other. Geography plays a part, because it easier to trade with a neighbour, especially one that shares similar philosophies.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'd have to agree. The most recent example of a failed socialist state. I don't think that the Bernie supporters will pay the needed attention to this that it deserves, and if they are dimly aware, I don't think they'll be in a frame of mind to draw the correct and needed conclusions from Venezuela's collapse.
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Most of Bernie's supporters don't know where, or what, Venezuela is. Nor do they know what socialism is.
 
It's amazing to me that it's even possible for the country with the worlds largest oil reserves, sitting damn near next to the worlds largest consumer of oil, to achieve economic ruin.
 
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