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US men fight child support laws.

star2589 said:
lol, my stance is the same. I never said the situation doesnt suck. in fact, I think I might have directly said it does. I just see no alternative.

not paying child support violates the childs rights.

giving the father the authority to force the woman to have an abortion violates the womans, if not also the fetus's rights.
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Yeah. The only thing that makes sense is the alternative you didn't mention, namely that there's no such thing as a "right" to an abortion.

Since women don't have a right to murder the child within them, father's can't claim an equally non-existent right to stop the murder.

Problem solved. The woman volunteered to become an incubator when she said "stick it to me, baby", and the man volunteered to support the child when he gave her the injection.

What can be more logical than that?
 
Carl said:
The lawsuit is a joke. The folks pursuing it have no intention of creating new laws or rights for men. If it were to prevail, I'm sure they'd be the most astonished parties of all. They are only trying to make a point, it's a protest against Roe v Wade. It's not a serious matter of law.
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I'm not convenced it's a joke either. These guys have been looking for a perfect case for years. Quite a bit of monies have been thrown toward it already.

Not sure it will be forgotten easily.
 
I can't be bothered looking through 11 pages of thread, but is there any reassurance that this law won't be exploited by arsehole fathers abandoning their partner and (already born) children?
 
vergiss said:
I can't be bothered looking through 11 pages of thread, but is there any reassurance that this law won't be exploited by arsehole fathers abandoning their partner and (already born) children?
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Where's the concern for all the women who are exploiting the current laws? Where's the outrage concerning women who lie, practice deceit, entrap, and buy boobs and cars with their child support?
 
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star2589 said:
our biology limits our ability to be equal.
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Funny how feminists love that when it comes to ABORTION and PARENTING rights. But say the same thing and relate it to ANYTHING else and the bra burners go nuts.
 
talloulou said:
Funny how feminists love that when it comes to ABORTION and PARENTING rights. But say the same thing and relate it to ANYTHING else and the bra burners go nuts.
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well, there are very few things that make women so universally different from men other than the ability to get pregnant. most of the other things are generalities. doesnt mean they arent true though.
 
star2589 said:
well, there are very few things that make women so universally different from men other than the ability to get pregnant. most of the other things are generalities. doesnt mean they arent true though.
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True. Height, weight and strength is often less than the male.

Women are indeed different than men. Much different. Way left field weirdo different. Yet they have the same *rights* as the men. But, men do not have the same *rights*as the women.
 
vauge said:
True. Height, weight and strength is often less than the male.

Women are indeed different than men. Much different. Way left field weirdo different. Yet they have the same *rights* as the men. But, men do not have the same *rights*as the women.
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I do think that modern feminists have crossed the line in many ways. too many of them act like its still the 1950s. they need to realise the battle was won a while ago, its time to find some other social issue to fight.
 
It has been said that to determine the sex of some birds, one must do so surgically as it cannot be determined simply by looking, in many cases.

Anybody care to guess the sex of these two birds?

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Star, are you male or female? No worries if you wish to remain private, just wondering.

I think it is facinating that we are on the same page when it comes to abortion. Or at least a very similar page. But we are both on two differnet planets when it comes to male vs female rights.
 
Captain America said:
It has been said that to determine the sex of some birds, one must do so surgically as it cannot be determined simply by looking, in many cases.

Anybody care to guess the sex of these two birds?

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:shocked2: Actually I'm sure my husband would find that very funny!
 
Captain America said:
It has been said that to determine the sex of some birds, one must do so surgically as it cannot be determined simply by looking, in many cases.

Anybody care to guess the sex of these two birds?

sea.gif
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haha - OMG that is funny.

I get three guesses - right?
 
The man should not be held legally responsible for child support in any way.


If our courts say the man has no say to whether or not the child be born.......then how the heck can they hold him responsible after.

Morally I believe the man should step up and help take responsibility. Legally you would have to support the man in the suit.

If abortion remains legal....then I hope he wins, because then maybe our courts will take the mans rights into consideration.

As it stands now in the courts a woman can nail a guy either way.
 
vauge said:
haha - OMG that is funny.

I get three guesses - right?
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If you gotta have three guesses, you ain't NEVER been married.:rofl
 
doughgirl said:
The man should not be held legally responsible for child support in any way.


If our courts say the man has no say to whether or not the child be born.......then how the heck can they hold him responsible after.

Morally I believe the man should step up and help take responsibility. Legally you would have to support the man in the suit.

If abortion remains legal....then I hope he wins, because then maybe our courts will take the mans rights into consideration.

As it stands now in the courts a woman can nail a guy either way.
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Morally I believe the man should step up and help take responsibility.
If it were my place to enforce my version of morals on others, not only would I agree with that 100%, I would also say that the woman should know to step up as well.

If abortion remains legal....then I hope he wins, because then maybe our courts will take the mans rights into consideration.

We've come a long way baby. The courts today are leveling the playing field more and more each day. But we still have a ways to go before it's level.

As it stands now in the courts a woman can nail a guy either way.
How unselfish of you to admit that. :2wave:
 
vauge said:
Star, are you male or female? No worries if you wish to remain private, just wondering.
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I prefere to keep people guessing. :mrgreen:

I find it amusing how some people seem to think im female, and others seem to think im male.

not that I haven't said things that would indicate one way or another. if you actually care enough to go through all my posts. lol
 
Captain said,


"If it were my place to enforce my version of morals on others, not only would I agree with that 100%, I would also say that the woman should know to step up as well."
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I agree 100%. If a woman gets pregnant it is her fault unless it was a rape. It is her body and she knows what the outcome could be if protection fails. If you do not wish to get pregnant, then do not have sex, or have sex but accept the possibility of a pregnancy. It is not the mans fault.


"We've come a long way baby. The courts today are leveling the playing field more and more each day. But we still have a ways to go before it's level."
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I am curious as to what?

I said, "As it stands now in the courts a woman can nail a guy either way." In which you replied,
"How unselfish of you to admit that."
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That my dear is fact.
Our courts exclude him from decisions that affect him at a later date......yet hold him accountable for what the courts say he didnt do in the first place and had no right to decide................I better read that one again.....:rofl
I am sure you know what I mean.

Point........if the courts deny him to decide the fate of his DNA.........then why is he held responsible for a monetary payment after should she decide to have the baby?

And they say its a mans world???????????????
 
doughgirl said:
I agree 100%. If a woman gets pregnant it is her fault unless it was a rape. It is her body and she knows what the outcome could be if protection fails. If you do not wish to get pregnant, then do not have sex, or have sex but accept the possibility of a pregnancy. It is not the mans fault.
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Wow. I always thought the act of conception involved both sexes - both being responsible for making sure that their reproductive cell doesn't mean the other's. Men know what the outcome is if contraception fails, too. However, they don't have the uterus, so they're clear of the blame? :shock: :roll:

Holy crap, I had no idea woman could be so fascist against her own gender.
 
talloulou said:
Where's the concern for all the women who are exploiting the current laws? Where's the outrage concerning women who lie, practice deceit, entrap, and buy boobs and cars with their child support?
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What the hell? So all extremes aside, a single mother isn't allowed to buy herself any luxuries, ever? After all, that stick of eyeliner could have been used to buy her children more food, or a Barbie doll!

So you're saying that a man has the right to stop paying child support for his 5-year-old twins? Geez, your priorities are frightening.
 
vergiss said:
What the hell? So all extremes aside, a single mother isn't allowed to buy herself any luxuries, ever? After all, that stick of eyeliner could have been used to buy her children more food, or a Barbie doll!

So you're saying that a man has the right to stop paying child support for his 5-year-old twins? Geez, your priorities are frightening.
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I think the current laws are ridiculously unfair and HELL YEAH I think some sort of laws ought to be written that can ensure child support goes to the child vs moms luxuries. Why the heck should any child support money pay for eyeliner over a barbie doll???????

And yeah as long as women are opting out of parenthood I see no reason why men shouldn't be able to do the same. Why should one gender get to be morally bankrupt while the other has to be responsible?
 
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talloulou said:
Why should one gender get to be morally bankrupt while the other has to be responsible?
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yeah, everyone knows that two wrongs makes a right. :doh
 
talloulou said:
I think the current laws are ridiculously unfair and HELL YEAH I think some sort of laws ought to be written that can ensure child support goes to the child vs moms luxuries. Why the heck should any child support money pay for eyeliner over a barbie doll????????
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Once the support money goes into her bank account, it's her money. How can you decide which of it was "his", and which isn't?

talloulou said:
And yeah as long as women are opting out of parenthood I see no reason why men shouldn't be able to do the same. Why should one gender get to be morally bankrupt while the other has to be responsible?
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Okay, what in God's name are you rambling about now? Do you really hate other women that much? :lol: So, you'll let men leave their born children because mommy could have chosen to abort the kids they both wanted to concieve and raise, years ago when she was still pregnant? :doh Either you're immensely stupid, or being totally ridiculous just to make a point which really has little to do with abortion, anyway.
 
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