US men fight child support laws.

[vergiss]

hmmmm....interesting. To me its all about the children born and unborn and how they are all basically treated like property.....property that in most cases belongs to the mother. A child doesn't have the right to know their father! If a women never wants to tell her child who their father is she doesn't have to...ever! Isn't that amazing! We have basically turned fatherhood into a $$$$ to be used when needed and tossed if we decide they're unnecessary.

Two good friends of mine were born out of wedlock to young mothers (who, I might add, have done well for themselves and escaped the white-trash teen parent stereotype). At the time, when their mothers informed the fathers they were pregnant, the guys in question totally disappeared and have never paid child support. In spite of this, my two friends are both well-adjusted girls (beyond the typical teenage angst) and have no interest in ever meeting the men who they've called "cowards". In such a situation, why should the mother have tell the child who the father is?

I don't think you mean to be, but don't be so harsh on single parent families. I was raised until I was 14 by both parents and utterly miserable. I would have prefered a single mother over the psychological abuse my father caused me any day (or a single father, if it'd been my mother harming me - it's not about gender, but about parenting). I am a very happy girl now that my parents are divorced. When they were still together, I was depressed to the verge of suicide. Unfortunately, both a mother and a father does not mean the child will be happy - and having only one does not mean the child will suffer.

 

[talloulou]

Two good friends of mine were born out of wedlock to young mothers (who, I might add, have done well for themselves and escaped the white-trash teen parent stereotype). At the time, when their mothers informed the fathers they were pregnant, the guys in question totally disappeared and have never paid child support. In spite of this, my two friends are both well-adjusted girls (beyond the typical teenage angst) and have no interest in ever meeting the men who they've called "cowards". In such a situation, why should the mother have tell the child who the father is?

I'm not understanding you in this situation.....both fathers turned out to be jerks who abondoned their kids but they knew they had kids at least. If the mothers didn't tell them they had kids and never provided the opportunity for them to be good fathers how would she know they were jerks?

I don't think you mean to be, but don't be so harsh on single parent families.

I do not in anyway mean to be harsh on single parent families or single mothers. I apologize if I am coming off that way. I know many great single mothers.

 

[vergiss]

I'm not understanding you in this situation.....both fathers turned out to be jerks who abondoned their kids but they knew they had kids at least. If the mothers didn't tell them they had kids and never provided the opportunity for them to be good fathers how would she know they were jerks?

I wasn't talking about that. I too believe that a man has the right to know if he's impregnated a woman (unless he's abusive... safety of the child comes first, and if she's fleeing to save them both, that's far more important).

However, that part of the post I quoted was to do with the child having the right to know who their father is. Once again, the child's well being is the first priority and if a mother wants to protect her son or daughter from the fact that their father was a coward, abusive or (worst of all) raped her, I can understand that.

 

[aps]

Initially, I supported a man's right to fight child support; however, in thinking about this more over the weekend, I think they should be responsible for child support, even if they didn't want the kid. If this kind of outcome will get men to take responsibility for using contraception, then I support it.

Men, don't believe a woman when she says she's on the pill. It's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

I wasn't talking about that. I too believe that a man has the right to know if he's impregnated a woman (unless he's abusive... safety of the child comes first, and if she's fleeing to save them both, that's far more important).

However, that part of the post I quoted was to do with the child having the right to know who their father is. Once again, the child's well being is the first priority and if a mother wants to protect her son or daughter from the fact that their father was a coward, abusive or (worst of all) raped her, I can understand that.

No proof to back those claims up. I know a woman who told her kid the exact same thing. Bad part is, I know for a fact she never told the kids dad that he was a father. If she had, he'd have proposed on the spot and even if she had refused, been a part of the childs life.
But she lied about it.
As for the next...

Initially, I supported a man's right to fight child support; however, in thinking about this more over the weekend, I think they should be responsible for child support, even if they didn't want the kid. If this kind of outcome will get men to take responsibility for using contraception, then I support it.

Nope. Until the man has some say in whether his child dies or not, he should have the same legal right to opt out in the first trimester that the mother does. Otherwise, as usual, you really don't have equal rights. You've got the women twisting things again.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

talloulou,

hmmm.... I don't know! But I have brothers, a father, and a great husband so they give me a little insight to the male mind! And I have way too much respect for them to keep quiet when women try to downplay the importance of fathers. Plus I have a son that I hope to raise to be a good man and a good father.

It sounds to me that your son has a very good mother.