University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace [W:196]

[clownboy]

That the university is worried about the fallout only goes to further show how much privilege religion and Christianity enjoy in this country. There are stories like this all the time, where Christians get upset when they do not receive special treatment. That wrestler a while back threw a fit when he was disqualified for holding up a match. He felt that his desire to pray was reason to exempt him from the rules. This student thinks that her faith is reason to exempt her from the rules. It's fine if you think a rule against religious items like this is wrong, but that's not the issue. The issue is that a Christian was required to play by the same rules as everybody else and raised a stink about it.

Absolutely incorrect on all fronts. Start with the First Amendment and you'll begin to understand how the university can not stand behind this ONE individual that misrepresented university policy. The student has asked for no exemption to university rules. Read the damn article! The university is not behind this.

 

[Fiddytree]

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but as a Catholic you are forced to go against your fundamental faith and provide contraception and abortion pills
when Muslims get a full pass on all of it

So I am getting the understanding you don't give a damn about university communities or university politics, and are just using it to rant against Muslims. How convenient.

 

[soot]

Mockery is the sincerest form of flattery......

Thanks.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Mockery is just mockery.

But come on dude. You've got to admit you deserve it.

"America is persecuting Christians by not allowing them to force their morality on America by persecuting homosexuals and others who don't subscribe to Christian morality."

Yeah, yeah, I know, there's only ONE morality and it doesn't change and it's her way or the highway.

We've already been over that.

Except it does change when it changes, otherwise Christianity would still be arguing that the best thing for a stupid, immoral black man is to keep him in chains and force Chrsitianity on him at the tip of a bullwhip.

 

[clownboy]

So you know this "asshat" personally and know that he/she has an axe to grind with Christians? Or was that in a part of the article that I missed. It sounds to me like a supervisor trying to recruit as many people as they could to their club, which is kind of their job.

You really need to read the OP, the article. And then re-read what I wrote because you seemingly cherry-picked that as well (hint: "whether for political correctness or because of his own anti-christian hate"). The supervisor in question is at odds with the university admins on this, who say this is not from policy. Recruiting for the club would only be part of his job. Which he is obviously not doing well considering he just chased away at least one student (possibly more).

Before you answer - read the OP article.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I'm just trying to understand. I just can't come to your line of reasoning.

Discrimination is limited to intrinsic parts of a person's persona (religion is learned, but not necessarily chosen, and it becomes an intrinsic part of a person who believes).

If the person was black, and they were asked to cover up their black skin because people might find it offensive, it would be discrimination.



I never made any comments about free speech. If the person was saying something like "Merry Christmas" or "god bless you" to people, it'd be a different story, IMO.

Now why are you creating imaginary arguments in order to debate this?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I did read it and I don't see where it implies they had any axe to grind. That came from you and I was just wondering where you received the information to make that determination.

You really need to read the OP, the article. And then re-read what I wrote because you seemingly cherry-picked that as well (hint: "whether for political correctness or because of his own anti-christian hate"). The supervisor in question is at odds with the university admins on this, who say this is not from policy. Recruiting for the club would only be part of his job. Which he is obviously not doing well considering he just chased away at least one student (possibly more).

Before you answer - read the OP article.

 

[trfjr]

So I am getting the understanding you don't give a damn about university communities or university politics, and are just using it to rant against Muslims. How convenient.

no the systematic discrimination against Christians and it is condoned by the the press and implemented by this administration

 

[clownboy]

I did read it and I don't see where it implies they had any axe to grind. That came from you and I was just wondering where you received the information to make that determination.

Did you bother to read the whole article? Admittedly you have to click the link at the end to goto the complete article which details the university reaction. The details the university provides coupled with the fact mentioned that this was not just a one time event, but a second occurance suggests to me the motivations I laid out.

In any event, the supervisor's position is not sanctioned by the university.

 

[Somerville]

I think I'll rephrase a comment because the OP rather quickly got thrown off track and now seems to be rambling on about other matters.

No, the systematic discrimination is against atheists and non-Christians and it is condoned by segments of the media and implemented by some state legislatures and various small town councils

 

[Guy Incognito]

Her 'head scarf?' :lol: You mean a hijab (I hope I spelled that correctly)? Glad to see your ignorance is showing on other religions.

You are the ignorant one. A hijab is just the Arabic word referring to what we call a headscarf in English. The terms are interchangeable and Muslims frequently call the article of clothing a headscarf.

 

[Somerville]

This is the student who has made the charges

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If her cross (crucifix if she is really a Catholic) is so important to her - where is it in the picture that has been provided to FoxNews?

 

[Verthaine]

You know why. There's an all out assault on Christian morality taking place in this country. It's brewing larger and larger. From same sex marriage, to abortion, to forcing the Catholic Church to pay health insurance premiums on plans that cover contraception, to stories like this. Everywhere you look, Christian morality is under attack.

You can't have Socialism in a country where Christianity occupies the majority of society's moral standards.

Go back and read your Alinsky again.

Are christians being forced to marry members of the same gender?Are christians being forced to have abortions against their will? Are christians bring forced to commit adultery against their will (seems like quite a few of them seem to be enjoying commiting that particular sin)?How about divorce? Are all those christians being forced to divorce one another?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I did miss the link at the bottom. After reading the rest of it, I still don't see where it stated that the supervisor had any kind of history about this kind of thing.

Eh, when it comes down to it, the University apologized, everybody moves on. :shrug:

Did you bother to read the whole article? Admittedly you have to click the link at the end to goto the complete article which details the university reaction. The details the university provides coupled with the fact mentioned that this was not just a one time event, but a second occurance suggests to me the motivations I laid out.

In any event, the supervisor's position is not sanctioned by the university.

 

[Verthaine]

no the systematic discrimination against Christians and it is condoned by the the press and implemented by this administration

There's systematic discrimination against christians? You should have no problem proving that discrimination against christians is both wide spread,and institutionalized.

 

[Diving Mullah]

Student told by University official to remove cross necklace because it might offend potential students » The Right Scoop -

first reported by Fox news


University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes


so what is next are they going to go back and start throwing Christians to the lions?

would the university asked a female Muslim student to remove her head scarf?

why is the Christians faith allowed to be ridiculed and persecuted but you better not even think about disrespecting the Muslim faith?

That story is a bullShait from beginning to End (at least the way fox and ehmm..Right Scope) is telling it.

Actually come to think of it...I was thinking about this the other day...With all the blatant lies and screams that the sky is falling on Christians and their rights are being trampled, which clearly is all non-sense of a biblical proportions and often the other way around...meaning Christians are the ones who are actually doing all the trampling...Wondering what did really happen during Romans. I mean if they are feeding all this bull**** now right to your face about Christians are being attacked, it is reason to conclude most of the stories of how Christians were being prosecuted back then equally bullShait.

No way of knowing ... but most likely some drunken "christian" full of boos and fresh from orgy watching the game fell in the arena and was eaten by a lion and hence forth began the myth.

Given the fact that what Christians did to Alexandria library and murdered and tore hypatia from limb to limb...I probably won't pass them.

For some reason the quote by MLK comes to mind...

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice...tell enough lies and B.S and people eventually would be on to you. Fortunately this is happening in my life time so now I can call it for what it is...Bull Crap!

Diving Mullah

 

[trfjr]

Are christians being forced to marry members of the same gender?Are christians being forced to have abortions against their will? Are christians bring forced to commit adultery against their will (seems like quite a few of them seem to be enjoying commiting that particular sin)?How about divorce? Are all those christians being forced to divorce one another?

are they forced to provide contraception and abortion polls against their will and faith as Muslim get a free pass on all of it?
are their children being propagandized in school to go against their faith and persecuted and ridiculed if they don't?

 

[clownboy]

I did miss the link at the bottom. After reading the rest of it, I still don't see where it stated that the supervisor had any kind of history about this kind of thing.

Eh, when it comes down to it, the University apologized, everybody moves on. :shrug:

To tidy up, the article mentions this was the second time the supervisor came to her about wearing the cross. I agree totally and that's what I've been trying to get at - see the bolded portion above.

 

[nota bene]

This is the student who has made the charges

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If her cross (crucifix if she is really a Catholic) is so important to her - where is it in the picture that has been provided to FoxNews?

Uh, under her scarf?

 

[Gathomas88]

Christianity is ridiculed more in America. Why? Because it's more prevalent, much more so, than Islam. Statistics aren't your thing, are they? I'll disrespect Islam, too.

Is it really too much to ask that we not deliberately go out of our ways to disrespect anyone's religious beliefs? :roll:

 

[Fiddytree]

University Tells Student to Remove Cross Necklace

no the systematic discrimination against Christians and it is condoned by the the press and implemented by this administration

Which has absolutely nothing to do with this situation.

If you didn't want to talk about university speech and diversity codes or the interpretation thereof, then you should not have created this thread. Instead you should have just said "We poor Christian majorities in power are being persecuted by those Muslim folks without much political power in this country" and be done with it.

 

[Verthaine]

are they forced to provide contraception and abortion polls against their will and faith as Muslim get a free pass on all of it?
are their children being propagandized in school to go against their faith and persecuted and ridiculed if they don't?

Wahh wahh wah.Do you need a binky?
I don't have to answer a single one of your questions until you answer mine.
I don't give a crap about your beliefs or opinions.
I want evidence that there is widespread,systematic,and institutionalized discrimination in this country any near the level of these:

If gays aren't allowed to compare what they are going through to the civil rights movement,then christians can't talk about persecution until these things are happening to them in this country

How many people standing around in those pictures were God fearing,bible reading,church going Christians themselves?

 

[Somerville]

I wrote "If her cross (crucifix if she is really a Catholic) is so important to her - where is it in the picture that has been provided to FoxNews?"

Uh, under her scarf?

Interesting. Her religious symbol was so important to her that she ran out of the room when asked to put it inside her blouse but when she has a professional photographer take a glamour shot - then, the crucifix is not such a big deal. Particularly funny when this is the photo provided by FoxNews in its piece on how she was discriminated against.

 

[shrubnose]

Matthew 6:5 ESV

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

Seems like Jesus also commanded his disciples to not make a spectacle of themselves.




Obviously not every Christian is preaching the gospel every second.

But sexy little Audrey got her picture in the paper, at least.

I guess for some Christians it's more important that they get their 20 minutes of fame when they're seen getting their Christ on than that they'd obey their Master's dictates.

Obviously not every Christian tries to make a spectacle of themselves

 

[Gathomas88]

Wahh wahh wah.Do you need a binky?
I don't have to answer a single one of your questions until you answer mine.
I don't give a crap about your beliefs or opinions.
I want evidence that there is widespread,systematic,and institutionalized discrimination in this country any near the level of these:

If gays aren't allowed to compare what they are going through to the civil rights movement,then christians can't talk about persecution until these things are happening to them in this country

How many people standing around in those pictures were God fearing,bible reading,church going Christians themselves?

And what evidence do you provide to saddle Christianity with the blame for these crimes? :roll:

The comparison is a blatant red herring. Not only does Christianity bear inherent no blame for the racial prejudice against blacks which existed in American culture in past eras, but there is absolutely no requirement for discrimination to be on so grievous a scale as you describe to still qualify as discrimination.

Need gays be hung from trees en masse to be considered to be "discriminated" against?

 

[Somerville]

Obviously not every Christian tries to make a spectacle of themselves

soot did use the word "some" in his comment