Fallenangel
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EDIT: It would be interesting to see how the different players react to this i.e US, Russia, France, Syria...
I don't know if the mods would allow this but here it is, most of the news agencies haven't picket it up yet.
http://www.un.org/disarmament/
From the report:
EDIT: It would be interesting to see how the different players react to this i.e US, Russia, France, Syria...
Cheers,
Fallen.
Well I don't think it's been a question of "IF" chemical weapons were used, only who used them. To that degree is where all the other countries have different versions.
Agreed, and surely that was the point of the investigation to provide evidence of which side is responsible. No real point in going there otherwise.
Agreed, and surely that was the point of the investigation to provide evidence of which side is responsible. No real point in going there otherwise.
Agreed, and surely that was the point of the investigation to provide evidence of which side is responsible. No real point in going there otherwise.
Agreed, and surely that was the point of the investigation to provide evidence of which side is responsible. No real point in going there otherwise.
Well I don't think it's been a question of "IF" chemical weapons were used, only who used them. To that degree is where all the other countries have different versions.
The only countries arguing that the rebels did it are Russia, the Iranian regime and such. No western country has contested the US conclusion that Assad forces conducted the attack.
That's not saying a whole lot. Most of the western countries also thought Sadaam had "stockiles" of WMDs. I'm not putting to much stock in the whole coorelation thing of anyone atm.
Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use?
The only countries arguing that the rebels did it are Russia, the Iranian regime and such. No western country has contested the US conclusion that Assad forces conducted the attack.
This isn't saying anything at all. Of course US allies are going to line up on the side of the US, and Russia's allies are going to line up on its side.
Russia's allies are just Assad and the Iranian regime.
Now, let's compare... who has the more credible allies?
Not that he fakes it, but are you telling me that you believe 100% that he used them?
Are you saying that our intelligence cannot be wrong?
At this time, I don't know for sure and I haven't been shown anything other than "trust us, it was him" to think otherwise.
I don't think it's even worth discussing. Unless you have evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons?
Yes, I believe 100% that Assad used them. The US claims to have intel, audio and photo evidence that Assad's regime:
1. Prepared for the attack, including communications among high ranking officers.
2. Collected the chems from a known storage facility.
3. Prepared and loaded the rockets.
4. Fired the rockets.
5. Conducted after-actions assessments.
I'm saying that it is a known fact that Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use? Otherwise, there is no link between the two events.
When you get on the Intel Committee, perhaps they'll give you the evidence. For now, that's being held back for security reasons.
Well, the House has seen the intel and some of them are quite skeptical. For example Congressman Justin Amash. (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/status/374319778053509120) (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/status/376081868678246400) (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/status/376405762903646208) and Congressman Tom Harkin (Harkin on Classified Syria Briefing: 'Frankly Raised More Questions Than It Answered' | The Weekly Standard).
As well as New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, who "left Thursday’s classified hearing and said she was opposed to the effort 'now so more than ever." (Chemical weapons argument isn)
Also, it has been noted that
In fact, even gaining access to just the classified summary involves a series of unreasonably high hurdles.
We have to descend into the bowels of the Capitol Visitors Center, to a room four levels underground. Per the instructions of the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, note-taking is not allowed.
Once we leave, we are not permitted to discuss the classified summary with the public, the media, our constituents or even other members. Nor are we allowed to do anything to verify the validity of the information that has been provided.
And this is just the classified summary. It is my understanding that the House Intelligence Committee made a formal request for the underlying intelligence reports several days ago. I haven’t heard an answer yet. And frankly, I don’t expect one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/opinion/on-syria-vote-trust-but-verify.html?hp&_r=0
Yes, I believe 100% that Assad used them. The US claims to have intel, audio and photo evidence that Assad's regime:
1. Prepared for the attack, including communications among high ranking officers.
2. Collected the chems from a known storage facility.
3. Prepared and loaded the rockets.
4. Fired the rockets.
5. Conducted after-actions assessments.
I'm saying that it is a known fact that Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use? Otherwise, there is no meaningful link between the two events.
When you get on the Intel Committee, perhaps they'll give you the evidence. For now, that's being held back for security reasons.
I must note that a number of congressmen and women have seen the evidence from the Obama administration and come out even more skeptical.
So what we have here is exactly what I said "Trust us, it was him". So if YOU want to trust that, that is the same intelligence that said Saddam has stockpiles of WMDs. So yes, I have some doubts.
I don't trust our intelligence 100%.
Why is it not worth discussing? Do you make it a habit to believe the Iranian regime?
Credibility is nonexistent in international politics.
So do you have this evidence everyone wants to see but that the US refuses to show?
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