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Ukrainian Sovereignty Was The Paramount "Western Value" That Was The Driver In Western Support Of The War. ( until it wasn't )

It was Biden who quashed any possibility of talks. Z is his marionette because he needs the money and weapons.
Trump come in and blows up that cozy affair..Trump is bombastic, erratic, but on the side of ending the war -


Trump is a vile narcissist and the only reason, imo, he wants to end this war is because ...........

A. He thinks he can get to make money off Ukrainian resources before they fall under Russian control
and/or
B. He doesn't want to be the US president when Russia finally crushes Ukraine into submission.
 
Trump is a vile narcissist and the only reason, imo, he wants to end this war is because ...........

A. He thinks he can get to make money off Ukrainian resources before they fall under Russian control
and/or
B. He doesn't want to be the US president when Russia finally crushes Ukraine into submission.
The hype about the Ukrainian rare earths began with Ukrainians themselves. Desperate to find a way to engage Trump, they miscalculated presenting the then-incoming president a “victory plan” in November that talked up — way, way up — the potential of the country’s mineral resources. Soon, they lost control of the narrative," Blas writes.

As per a Bloomberg report, Ukraine has no major rare earth reserves that have been internationally recognized as economically viable. While the country has reported a series of deposits, little is known about their potential — most of them appear to be by-products of producing materials like phosphates, while some are in areas of Russian control. “Rare earths are so niche that they typically don’t produce the more detailed studies publicly, so there’s just not enough information,” Willis Thomas, ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
And yet the Russians have tried to get a deal without having to invade Ukraine in both Minsk and weeks prior to the war. Why bother if the deal is to take over Ukraine?

They wanted Ukraine to renounce its constitutional pledge to join NATO, the Ukrainians decided not to and so they got invaded. Had they have not made that call the likelihood is the war could have never have taken place at all and/or ended as soon as it began.

I think Putin knew that there would be risks in invading Ukraine but was prepared to take them. Sometimes there are no good choices.

Ukraine is being wrecked in a war they cannot win and you want them to die in droves just to see Russia weakened?

Your pots are childish warmongering shite imo, so you can have the last word.
The "deal" was the installation of a puppet Govt. so Ukraine would be like Belarus. Ukraine does not want to be a puppet for Russia. Ukraine is winning this war and Russia is on the ropes militarily and economically. Putin wants the genocide of all of Ukraine and Ukrainians will never surrender to that so give it up. It is amusing that you think not allowing the genocide of Ukraine is "warmongering". Russia is the aggressor and the warmonger and you support them.
 
He will never stop trying and that is why he will not allow outside peacekeepers. He will use that "slice" to launch more attacks as soon as his military is ready. Ukraine has no reason to allow Putin time to regroup and resupply his military and they will not accept any agreement meant to allow that. They want a lasting peace so they can rebuild their nation. Don't you want a lasting peace?
how stupid do you think Z is? Why would he sign ANYTHING without security guarantees. It's posturing by Trump and Z
The only thing really off the table is Ukraine in NATO
 
The hype about the Ukrainian rare earths began with Ukrainians themselves. Desperate to find a way to engage Trump, they miscalculated presenting the then-incoming president a “victory plan” in November that talked up — way, way up — the potential of the country’s mineral resources. Soon, they lost control of the narrative," Blas writes.

As per a Bloomberg report, Ukraine has no major rare earth reserves that have been internationally recognized as economically viable. While the country has reported a series of deposits, little is known about their potential — most of them appear to be by-products of producing materials like phosphates, while some are in areas of Russian control. “Rare earths are so niche that they typically don’t produce the more detailed studies publicly, so there’s just not enough information,” Willis Thomas, ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
LOL Trump is the one that is falsely calling Ukraine's mineral resources "rare earths". His is a moron and you should never listen to him. Ukraine does have large reserves of Lithium, Titanium, iron, manganese and uranium none of which are considered "rare earths".
 
how stupid do you think Z is? Why would he sign ANYTHING without security guarantees. It's posturing by Trump and Z
The only thing really off the table is Ukraine in NATO
You should ask Trump that since he is livid that Zelensky refused to sign his agreement without any security guarantees in Munich. Apparently there is a new agreement that is still being considered but if it does not include serious new weaponry it won't fly either.
 
LOL Trump is the one that is falsely calling Ukraine's mineral resources "rare earths". His is a moron and you should never listen to him. Ukraine does have large reserves of Lithium, Titanium, iron, manganese and uranium none of which are considered "rare earths".
TY I will update to just minerals
 
You should ask Trump that since he is livid that Zelensky refused to sign his agreement without any security guarantees in Munich. Apparently there is a new agreement that is still being considered but if it does not include serious new weaponry it won't fly either.
Trump is always trying to get a better deal. The best deal is to cut loose of the corrupt Ukraine. But he wont
It will come down to successful negotiations or endless stalemated war. I'll put you down for the latter
 
The hype about the Ukrainian rare earths began with Ukrainians themselves. Desperate to find a way to engage Trump, they miscalculated presenting the then-incoming president a “victory plan” in November that talked up — way, way up — the potential of the country’s mineral resources. Soon, they lost control of the narrative," Blas writes.

As per a Bloomberg report, Ukraine has no major rare earth reserves that have been internationally recognized as economically viable. While the country has reported a series of deposits, little is known about their potential — most of them appear to be by-products of producing materials like phosphates, while some are in areas of Russian control. “Rare earths are so niche that they typically don’t produce the more detailed studies publicly, so there’s just not enough information,” Willis Thomas, ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


The jury is still out on the " rare earth" resources is for me but it does have gas and oil in some quantities regardless of the rare earth reality.


 
Trump is always trying to get a better deal. The best deal is to cut loose of the corrupt Ukraine. But he wont
It will come down to successful negotiations or endless stalemated war. I'll put you down for the latter
It won't be an "endless war". Russia cannot sustain these loses forever. It will go on longer if Trump withdraws aid though and will get even bloodier and dirtier. Ukraine has many more tricks up their sleeve to unleash on the Russian people and they will stop holding back. Trump will be to blame for whatever happens to Russia if Ukraine gets desperate.
 
You can make up funny names but that changes nothing. Trump will not end any wars and will likely cause more. Appeasing murderous dictators has a way of doing that.
Those names weren't as funny as the dysfunctional brain matter those 2 had sitting above their necks.
You don't want those wars to be ended, whether by Trump or anyone else. You want more war, and have hitched your wagon to this perverse idea.
The ordinary voters have seen through this horrible plan, and have voted to ditch the govt that started it.
Now Zelensky is up the sh!t creek without a paddle. This is what happens when you get mixed up with the wrong people.
Learn some lessons here, so that this folly isn't repeated. Even if you can't learn, these dangerous toys like NATO and NED will be taken away, along with other sharp objects.
 
Trump is a vile narcissist and the only reason, imo, he wants to end this war is because ...........

A. He thinks he can get to make money off Ukrainian resources before they fall under Russian control
and/or
B. He doesn't want to be the US president when Russia finally crushes Ukraine into submission.
Trump has never shied away from believing when the United States intervenes on the behalf of another country, if we send treasure or blood, we should be compensated. He believed Kuwait should have made a deal with their oil for US assistance. If we didn't support Ukraine as we did, they would have been run over. The deal for Ukrainian resources (which I believe will go through) is contingent upon a peace agreement with Russia in which Russia recognizes the independence of Ukraine and joining NATO is postponed indefinitely.

All and all no matter how it turns out, Putin is the big loser. His formidable army looks feeble. He now has two other well off countries that joined NATO and the rest of NATO is chipping in more. These other countries need to in their own right provide a formidable defense. Some folks go off the rails about this but our allies have often been slackers in their own defense relying on the benevolence of the US.

B. He wants to be known as a peacemaker (deal maker) and this would go along way toward that title. He prefers to negotiate these conflicts as a businessman rather than as commander and chief. I (if possible) prefer that also.
 
Utter nonsense.

Many nations had collaborators, France, Denmark, Poland. But that’s not an excuse to broad bush the entire country and its people.

And don’t forget the Soviets exiled hundreds of thousands of people from the Baltics, many to Siberia, and replaced them with Russians in hopes of destroying their languages and cultures.

It’s the Russians that create victims everywhere they go.
Most nations don’t continue to celebrate their Nazi collaborators as national heroes.

There is a huge difference between exiling people and systematically lining entire religious and ethnic groups up and shooting them, as the Nazis and their collaborators did.

So close! That’s actually the US, as its actions in Latin America prove.
 
France =/= Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians.

Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians weren't nations after the Soviet invasion nor under Nazi occupation
Still not a word as to how France was a nation under Nazi occupation yet the Baltic States weren’t.

I get that you were programmed to simply repeat the same propaganda over and over in hopes that regurgitating it will make inconvenient questions go away, but that doesn’t change the facts.
 
So Putin secures his borders by launching an unprovoked invasion on a sovereign neighbor and getting his military forces brutalized to the point he is using Wagner and the North Korean forces.....

Interesting.
The US military got brutalized by both the Taliban and Iraqis by your “logic”, since it made extremely extensive use of “contractors”, many of which were foreigners, in both countries.

Hmm....
 
Those names weren't as funny as the dysfunctional brain matter those 2 had sitting above their necks.
You don't want those wars to be ended, whether by Trump or anyone else. You want more war, and have hitched your wagon to this perverse idea.
The ordinary voters have seen through this horrible plan, and have voted to ditch the govt that started it.
Now Zelensky is up the sh!t creek without a paddle. This is what happens when you get mixed up with the wrong people.
Learn some lessons here, so that this folly isn't repeated. Even if you can't learn, these dangerous toys like NATO and NED will be taken away, along with other sharp objects.
The wrongest person on earth is the indicted war criminal Putin. Ukraine will never submit to his genocide. If Trump cared about ending this war he would be sending Ukraine the weapons they need to win. Putin cannot keep this war going until he takes it all. It would take decades. If you don't want decades of war than you should be rooting for Ukraine. They can end it this year with the right support. Overwhelming offensive force is the only way to get Putin to agree to a ceasefire with outside peacekeepers keeping Putin honest. He can agree to that tomorrow and end the fighting but he won't because he won't stop until all of Ukraine is his.
 
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The wrongest person on earth is the indicted war criminal Putin.
No he's not. That's just a pile of freshly cooked up crap.

Ukraine will never submit to his genocide.
Ukraine is a corrupt backwater whose people were dumb enough to be incited into ethnically cleansing Russians (incited by a corrupt warmongering Washington establishment)

If Trump cared about ending this war he would be sending Ukraine the weapons they need to win.
No, he would cut off the weapons to end the war. No more incitement to killing people by corrupt Washington warmongers.
Trump wants peace. You want endless war and death. You're delighted by blood and suffering.

Putin cannot keep this war going until he takes it all.
He has no desire to take it all. You're again trapped in your own delusion.

It would take decades. If you don't want decades of war than you should be rooting for Ukraine.
No, I should be rooting for peace, for the cutoff of arms fueling the Ukraine war, and for the prosecution of the vile corrupt warmongers in Washington who played wicked games of election interference and regime change to start a war they thought might help them to re-draw the map of Europe.
They've been thwarted by the American people.
Seethe. Cope. I don't give a ****. Your game is over.
You can't even crawl back under your rock, because even your rocks are being turned over and exposed.

They can end it this year with the right support. Overwhelming offensive force is the only way to get Putin to agree to a ceasefire with outside peacekeepers keeping Putin honest. He can agree to that tomorrow and end the fighting but he won't because he won't stop until all of Ukraine is his.
Your intentions are evil.
 
No he's not. That's just a pile of freshly cooked up crap.


Ukraine is a corrupt backwater whose people were dumb enough to be incited into ethnically cleansing Russians (incited by a corrupt warmongering Washington establishment)


No, he would cut off the weapons to end the war. No more incitement to killing people by corrupt Washington warmongers.
Trump wants peace. You want endless war and death. You're delighted by blood and suffering.


He has no desire to take it all. You're again trapped in your own delusion.


No, I should be rooting for peace, for the cutoff of arms fueling the Ukraine war, and for the prosecution of the vile corrupt warmongers in Washington who played wicked games of election interference and regime change to start a war they thought might help them to re-draw the map of Europe.
They've been thwarted by the American people.
Seethe. Cope. I don't give a ****. Your game is over.
You can't even crawl back under your rock, because even your rocks are being turned over and exposed.


Your intentions are evil.
The only one trying to redraw the map of Europe is Putin and you know it. He did not start this war in Kiev by accident. He wants it all for himself and then will conscript the Ukrainians to fight his next war. He has converted the Russian economy to require endless war to function and it can't be undone. If not stopped in Ukraine Putin plans endless wars until he dies.
 
The only one trying to redraw the map of Europe is Putin and you know it. He did not start this war in Kiev by accident.
No, he had to attack because he saw that warmongers were arranging to attack his country.

He wants it all for himself and then will conscript the Ukrainians to fight his next war.
Nope, that's your fantasy. Self-delusion by you.


He has converted the Russian economy to require endless war to function and it can't be undone. If not stopped in Ukraine Putin plans endless wars until he dies.
No, the Russian economy is being used for its own defense.
Your warmongers are the ones who want the endless wars. The people are fed up and want these predatory games stopped, because they know these games will be used against them.
 
No, he had to attack because he saw that warmongers were arranging to attack his country.


Nope, that's your fantasy. Self-delusion by you.



No, the Russian economy is being used for its own defense.
Your warmongers are the ones who want the endless wars. The people are fed up and want these predatory games stopped, because they know these games will be used against them.
Ukraine has put Russia on the ropes and all they need to put them away forever is the right weapons. Eliminating Russia as a military power will do wonders for world peace. Russia cannot win in Ukraine but they also cannot give up because Putin still thinks he is winning. Ukraine needs the weapons to change that illusion for him.
 
Ukraine has put Russia on the ropes and all they need to put them away forever is the right weapons. Eliminating Russia as a military power will do wonders for world peace

You have a hateful obsession towards Russians, not unlike Hitler's hateful obsession toward the Jews and also toward Russia.
You can't feel happy until you've wiped out their ethnic group from the Earth.
My advice is for you to get psychiatric help.

. Russia cannot win in Ukraine but they also cannot give up because Putin still thinks he is winning. Ukraine needs the weapons to change that illusion for him.
No, the reality is that the areas held by Russia have always been populated by ethnic Russians and have always been Russian.
Ukraine didn't exist until it was recently created as an artificial country.
 
The US military got brutalized by both the Taliban and Iraqis by your “logic”, since it made extremely extensive use of “contractors”, many of which were foreigners, in both countries.

Hmm....

BUTWHATABOUTMURICA noted.

Both irrelevant and rather stupid given the number of Russian deaths vs. US loses in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

So Putin secures his borders by launching an unprovoked invasion on a sovereign neighbor and getting his military forces brutalized to the point he is using Wagner and the North Korean forces.....

This make sense to you?
 
Still not a word as to how France was a nation under Nazi occupation yet the Baltic States weren’t.

No word because France isn't the Baltics.

I get that you were programmed to simply repeat the same propaganda over and over in hopes that regurgitating it will make inconvenient questions go away, but that doesn’t change the facts.

Facts don't change.

Like this fact.

Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians weren't nations after the Soviet invasion nor under Nazi occupation
 
BUTWHATABOUTMURICA noted.

Both irrelevant and rather stupid given the number of Russian deaths vs. US loses in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

So Putin secures his borders by launching an unprovoked invasion on a sovereign neighbor and getting his military forces brutalized to the point he is using Wagner and the North Korean forces.....

This make sense to you?
Gee dude, by your own claims, since using “contractors” means brutalization, the US military was brutalized.

Repeatedly.

Pretty telling that it took so many fewer deaths for the US to be “brutalized” though ;)
 
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