TWO AMERICAS

[mrjurrs]

bob lonsberry dot com

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

 

[mrjurrs]

Your definition of low paying jobs?? I competed against Walmart, McDonalds and know they paid market wages so when you set a wage which the states can set that for many becomes the maximum wage, competition drives up wages, not federal mandates

"Walmart ranked among the top four largest employees of SNAP and Medicaid benefits in the states whose data was included in the report, employing an estimated 14,500 workers who received food stamps, according to the GAO report's findings."

Walmart, McDonald's among largest employers of SNAP, Medicaid recipients: Report

Sen. Bernie Sanders reacted to the GAO report’s findings in a scathing tweet accusing firms of paying "starvation wages."

www.foxbusiness.com

Check the source...

 

[highroller]

Right productive like these pictures who, the bluest state of them all with the 6th largest economy in the world, no GOP Legislature since the 60's generating results like these in LA, SF, and San Diego is despicable

sf homeless pictures - Google Search

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la homeless pictures - Google Search

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san diego homeless pictures - Google Search

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Among some of the most expensive property in the world. With some of the highest paying jobs. Maybe they have other problems?

They are so wealthy they can afford to take care of these people whereas red states can’t even afford sewer systems. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones?

The rural South’s invisible public health crisis

Poverty, poor sewage infrastructure have led to a surge in tropical diseases typically found in developing countries.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

 

[Conservative]

Among some of the most expensive property in the world. With some of the highest paying jobs. Maybe they have other problems?

They are so wealthy they can afford to take care of these people whereas red states can’t even afford sewer systems. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones?

The rural South’s invisible public health crisis

Poverty, poor sewage infrastructure have led to a surge in tropical diseases typically found in developing countries.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

the richest state in this country could do something about the high property values if they truly wanted to putting some of that financial wealth to better use. it is stunning how poorly informed and yet indoctrinated you are as personal choice as to where people live is never dictated by people like you

 

[tshade]

Works great especially about accepting personal responsibility and not expecting help from you. The longer a person remains collecting a taxpayer check the less employable they become due to the resume gaps but then your entitlement mentality doesn't accept that reality. Businesses are not there to employ you, grasp that for reality.

"Help from you"----??? Who are you talking about???? Not saying a person should keep collecting UE------------what "entitlement mentality" ?? Didn't say anything about "business"...................wages are an issue

 

[Conservative]

"Help from you"----??? Who are you talking about???? Not saying a person should keep collecting UE------------what "entitlement mentality" ?? Didn't say anything about "business"...................wages are an issue

Wages are your issue and competitive pressures determine what you should be paid. You don't like it, find a job more to your suiting at a wage you believe you deserve. Better yet start your own business so you can pay people whatever it is you think is fair

 

[Luce]

Wages are your issue and competitive pressures determine what you should be paid. You don't like it, find a job more to your suiting at a wage you believe you deserve. Better yet start your own business so you can pay people whatever it is you think is fair

That seems to be exactly what people are doing. People ARE being hired, just not in industries that pay shit (restaurants, etc).

 

[highroller]

the richest state in this country could do something about the high property values if they truly wanted to putting some of that financial wealth to better use. it is stunning how poorly informed and yet indoctrinated you are as personal choice as to where people live is never dictated by people like you

Property values are an asset class. This was already been settled in the 70s when people chose Reaganomics. Oh you’re trying to do is throw it back in peoples faces for being successful in a system your side championed. It’s not going to work.

I’ve never dictated how anybody lives. I don’t have time for that unlike right wingers.

 

[Conservative]

Property values are an asset class. This was already been settled in the 70s when people chose Reaganomics. Oh you’re trying to do is throw it back in peoples faces for being successful in a system your side championed. It’s not going to work.

I’ve never dictated how anybody lives. I don’t have time for that unlike right wingers.

So the rich liberal leadership in California rather than address asset values prefer spending money on tents thus keeping people dependent? That is a social disaster there and liberals benefit as you never bite the hand that feeds you. California gave Biden an over 5 million vote win mostly from SF, SD and LA which has the largest number of homeless, illegals, and worst cases of poverty

 

[highroller]

So the rich liberal leadership in California rather than address asset values prefer spending money on tents thus keeping people dependent? That is a social disaster there and liberals benefit as you never bite the hand that feeds you. California gave Biden

I don’t really think the rich liberal elites give a shit about the people on the street.

But neither do conservatives.

These people were abandoned in the 70s/80s

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Alternative Facts? Those links were created in Hollywood? Define for me what a fact is in your world?

It's a fact that you keep trying to assign arguments to me I never made.

 

[Conservative]

It's a fact that you keep trying to assign arguments to me I never made.

Then stop posting like a liberal and accept the results showing liberalism never reconciling results with the rhetoric. Creating dependence is what liberalism does, Conservative economic policies creates independence and the ability to help neighbors

 

[calamity]

Then stop posting like a liberal and accept the results...

Speaking of results. I'm wondering if you'll ever reach 10,000 likes. Owning less than a 10% reaction rate is pretty bad, Conservative. In fact, it's downright awful.

At this rate, it'll take another 1400 posts to get the 127 positive reactions you need to clear that hurdle. Good luck. Looks like you'll need it.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Then stop posting like a liberal and accept the results showing liberalism never reconciling results with the rhetoric. Creating dependence is what liberalism does, Conservative economic policies creates independence and the ability to help neighbors

It's a fact that you keep trying to assign arguments to me I never made.

 

[Conservative]

Speaking of results. I'm wondering if you'll ever reach 10,000 likes. Owning less than a 10% reaction rate is pretty bad, Conservative. In fact, it's downright awful.

At this rate, it'll take another 1400 posts to get the 127 positive reactions you need to clear that hurdle. Good luck. Looks like you'll need it.

Doubt it, most conservatives are working and this room is filled with liberals, don't expect likes from any liberal who refuses to discuss liberal results

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's a fact that you keep trying to assign arguments to me I never made.

It's part and parcel in exchanges with Conservative. If you are perceived to be a liberal or don't align with his views, you get put into the "Liberals are Frauds" category and get all sorts of canned responses. If you've engaged in enough of them, you recognize the patterns.

 

[Conservative]

It's part and parcel in exchanges with Conservative. If you are perceived to be a liberal or don't align with his views, you get put into the "Liberals are Frauds" category and get all sorts of canned responses. If you've engaged in enough of them, you recognize the patterns.

Liberalism is a fraud, and if you support that entire ideology what does that make you? I only call people who fully support that ideology frauds, is that you? What part of liberalism don't you agree with? It may seem canned but isn't canned, it is based upon facts, logic, common sense and 35 years in the private sector actually raising a family putting them through college and losing my wife to cancer. I don't see a lot of that in liberal posts, a lot of opinions, no context, and no discussion of liberal results.

 

[calamity]

Doubt it, most conservatives are working and this room is filled with liberals, don't expect likes from any liberal who refuses to discuss liberal results

You're not working. So, you must be a liberal. Amirite?

 

[Nickyjo]

bob lonsberry dot com

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Ah the old "makers and takers" dichotomy from quasi-fascist Ayn Rand. The former destined to rule. Or is it Manicheanism, the notion that there are the elect, and the not so much. Takes me back to Reagan's welfare queens and "strapping young bucks."

Guys, get serious. We and other countries long ago decided to help out the unemployed, the less fortunate, the lazy, the honest minimum wage workers, the freeloaders -- call them what you will. And, who'd-a-thunk-it, there are grifters and cheaters among them? I am shocked, shocked! (Claude Raines lives forever.) See Donald Trump and his tax schemes, his university and foundation. See farmers who may cheat to get subsidies. See corporations who locate overseas. Fun example: we instituted the "bracero program" of temporary Mexican workers to make up for the labor shortage of AG workers during WWII. The war ended in 1945. The bracero program ended 20 years later. What a surprise! You are criticizing human nature. Arrest the cheating bastards. But put Trump in a cell next to them.

 

[Conservative]

You're not working. So, you must be a liberal. Amirite?

This is a debate forum, you want to act and post like a child I don't have any reason to respond to you again, stick to the topic

 

[Conservative]

Ah the old "makers and takers" dichotomy from quasi-fascist Ayn Rand. The former destined to rule. Or is it Manicheanism, the notion that there are the elect, and the not so much. Takes me back to Reagan's welfare queens and "strapping young bucks."

Guys, get serious. We and other countries long ago decided to help out the unemployed, the less fortunate, the lazy, the honest minimum wage workers, the freeloaders -- call them what you will. And, who'd-a-thunk-it, there are grifters and cheaters among them? I am shocked, shocked! (Claude Raines lives forever.) See Donald Trump and his tax schemes, his university and foundation. See farmers who may cheat to get subsidies. See corporations who locate overseas. Fun example: we instituted the "bracero program" of temporary Mexican workers to make up for the labor shortage of AG workers during WWII. The war ended in 1945. The bracero program ended 20 years later. What a surprise! You are criticizing human nature. Arrest the cheating bastards. But put Trump in a cell next to them.

Yes, the obvious question is who is WE? What does helping the unemployed mean and for how long? Less fortunate, define it. Lazy, define it? minimum wage workers, who are those people?

what exactly are subsidies, actual cash payouts or keeping more of what is earned?

So much misunderstanding on far too many areas

 

[Nickyjo]

Yes, the obvious question is who is WE?

++ As I have explained or tried to, WE is the American people through our elected representatives.

What does helping the unemployed mean and for how long?

++ Probably varies from state to state. Again, depending on whom the voters elect and what they decide.

Less fortunate, define it.

Friend of mine in a wheelchair, shot by an unknown assailant, on disability. Someone injured on the job or hit by a car who can't work.

Lazy, define it? minimum wage workers, who are those people?
++ People who make minimum wage.

what exactly are subsidies, actual cash payouts or keeping more of what is earned?

++ Probably both.

So much misunderstanding on far too many areas

++ I am clear. Capitalism doesn't work perfectly. So we have injected drops or dollops of socialism to file off its rough edges. Helps corporations, poor, working people, farmers, people who might be discriminated against, etc., to file down capitalism's rough edges. Been going on since Teddy Roosevelt. The modern discussion, an essential one, is over how much and how, not whether.

 

[Conservative]

++ As I have explained or tried to, WE is the American people through our elected representatives.

++ Probably varies from state to state. Again, depending on whom the voters elect and what they decide.

Friend of mine in a wheelchair, shot by an unknown assailant, on disability. Someone injured on the job or hit by a car who can't work.



++ Probably both.

++ I am clear. Capitalism doesn't work perfectly. So we have injected drops or dollops of socialism to file off its rough edges. Helps corporations, poor, working people, farmers, people who might be discriminated against, etc., to file down capitalism's rough edges. Been going on since Teddy Roosevelt. The modern discussion, an essential one, is over how much and how, not whether.

Elected officials, aren't state officials elected? Don't state officials face term limits? Why is it the federal government's responsibility to implement what the state can and does do on their own? You realize that states set minimum wage and control the businesses in their state along with the social programs. Seems you are a federalist ignoring that the feds don't run anything efficiently and are never held accountable for results

I feel bad for your friends however those are issues that can be solved at the state level not the federal level. You want a massive nanny state benefit program because of a few and that few is what percentage of 330,000,000?

 

[j brown's body]

A very distorted opinion and not quite reality, what good is GDP when you lead the nation in poverty, homelessness, cost of living, high taxes. The continued ignorance of the left regarding givers and takers is stunning as there is no comparison between revenue going to the gov't in the form of FIT and CIT and the dollars going back to the states for federal mandates and expenses much of which go to those city dwellers in blue cities in red states

Red states are strongly represented as the most poverty ridden.

U.S. Poverty Rate by Demographics and State

What were the poverty threshold and poverty rate in 2020? Learn more about the demographics of poverty in the U.S., as well as a state-by-state breakdown.

www.thebalance.com

 

[ElChupacabra]

Liberalism is a fraud, and if you support that entire ideology what does that make you?

This is an absurd generalization. By the very standards you demonize one ideology, you ignore the failures of the one you support. The more accurate view is there are failures in how policies of varying ideological lean are designed and implemented, but your hight level summary misses the mark by a mile and then some.

I only call people who fully support that ideology frauds, is that you?

What's a bigger fraud is applying overly simplistic and often inaccurate labels. The false dichotomy of only liberal or conservative choices exists in your head and those who share this comically simplistic assessment.

What part of liberalism don't you agree with?

You may want to narrow it down a bit since that's a pretty broad definition.

It may seem canned but isn't canned,

It's canned because you repeat the same things over and over again.

it is based upon facts, logic, common sense

Example of a canned response

and 35 years in the private sector

Another canned response. You forgot to add the "I'll put my resume against yours" though; it's the cherry on top of this usually irrelevant response.

actually raising a family putting them through college and losing my wife to cancer. I don't see a lot of that in liberal posts, a lot of opinions, no context, and no discussion of liberal results.

Do you think only conservatives do the things you mentioned above? One would have to be completely out of touch with reality to think only conservatives face those challenges and have varying degrees of success overcoming them. Talk about being in a bubble.