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An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.
Bwhahahahahahahaha!!!! You elected the laziest most corrupt person in the history of the White House and are actively trying to prevent an investigation into an attempted coup. Good lord man, why don't you let us adults do the talking and you try and learn something.
 
Red states are strongly represented as the most poverty ridden.

Waiting for you to post the red state major cities that are run by the Republicans? Not going to get an answer as you buy the red/blue bs without acknowledging that there are a lot of highly populated blue cities in those red states like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso in TX. Why don't you extract those poverty numbers out of red states? Why is it people like you are so married to an ideology that you cannot admit when wrong
 
This is an absurd generalization. By the very standards you demonize one ideology, you ignore the failures of the one you support. The more accurate view is there are failures in how policies of varying ideological lean are designed and implemented, but your hight level summary misses the mark by a mile and then some.



What's a bigger fraud is applying overly simplistic and often inaccurate labels. The false dichotomy of only liberal or conservative choices exists in your head and those who share this comically simplistic assessment.


You may want to narrow it down a bit since that's a pretty broad definition.


It's canned because you repeat the same things over and over again.


Example of a canned response


Another canned response. You forgot to add the "I'll put my resume against yours" though; it's the cherry on top of this usually irrelevant response.


Do you think only conservatives do the things you mentioned above? One would have to be completely out of touch with reality to think only conservatives face those challenges and have varying degrees of success overcoming them. Talk about being in a bubble.
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Why do you think I ignore the failures of the conservative ideology? because the conservative ideology promotes individual freedom and personal choice not mandated choice and with personal choice comes consequences good or bad. Not the case with liberalism as all the consequences are bad and mandated

Yes, I repeat the same thing over and over again until you answer the direct questions and stop diverting, why is it the federal gov't's responsibility to provide for your personal responsibility needs?

You just love to argue but aren't apparently mature enough to admit when wrong
 
Bwhahahahahahahaha!!!! You elected the laziest most corrupt person in the history of the White House and are actively trying to prevent an investigation into an attempted coup. Good lord man, why don't you let us adults do the talking and you try and learn something.
So you keep telling me but not telling what corruption occurred that affected you, your family, or the country? Attempted coup? how about rioting in Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Chicago, Kenosha, Minneapolis, NYC. Coup, what coup, you have been duped by a leftwing ideology that destroys incentive and you call Trump the problem? You really are very naive, gullible and very poorly informed noticing that not once have you posted Biden policies and results that you support or make a difference in this country. You live in a bubble where you totally ignore liberal results that never reconcile with liberal rhetoric.
 
Elected officials, aren't state officials elected? Don't state officials face term limits? Why is it the federal government's responsibility to implement what the state can and does do on their own? You realize that states set minimum wage and control the businesses in their state along with the social programs. Seems you are a federalist ignoring that the feds don't run anything efficiently and are never held accountable for results

I feel bad for your friends however those are issues that can be solved at the state level not the federal level. You want a massive nanny state benefit program because of a few and that few is what percentage of 330,000,000?
As I have stated repeatedly, local/state is almost always better. When people see that failing or not meeting their perceived needs or think it more efficient (rightly or wrongly), they go federal, for national programs. Corporations, the rich, the poor, minorities, women, farmers, all do it from time to time, even as they may complain about others who do the same. People act in their self interest. Call it nanny state, if you like.
 
As I have stated repeatedly, local/state is almost always better. When people see that failing or not meeting their perceived needs or think it more efficient (rightly or wrongly), they go federal, for national programs. Corporations, the rich, the poor, minorities, women, farmers, all do it from time to time, even as they may complain about others who do the same. People act in their self interest. Call it nanny state, if you like.
How do you explain California for example that has been blue for decades not having a GOP legislature since the 1960's, having the 6th largest economy in the world, having among the highest cost of living, highest taxes, highest minimum wage, and generating the most in poverty, the most homeless, tent cities, people living on the street, poor quality of life. This is an example of liberal results that the left wants to ignore. They also want to ignore that 39 of the top 50 cities in the country are run by Democrats and that represents millions and millions of people, NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston San Antonio, Dallas, El Paso, Detroit, Atlanta and I could go on with many more in Red States as well. Is this why the left never talks about results and always diverts?
 
Wages are your issue and competitive pressures determine what you should be paid. You don't like it, find a job more to your suiting at a wage you believe you deserve. Better yet start your own business so you can pay people whatever it is you think is fair
agree. But the world is not perfect.
Wages are your issue and competitive pressures determine what you should be paid. You don't like it, find a job more to your suiting at a wage you believe you deserve. Better yet start your own business so you can pay people whatever it is you think is fair
I agree with your basic philosophy, but the world is not that black & while. Too many dynamics in the human condition
 
agree. But the world is not perfect.

I agree with your basic philosophy, but the world is not that black & while. Too many dynamics in the human condition
Then why is it the left promotes a one size fits all federally run program for every problem?
 



An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.
Now they want us to work, and they also hate us and want us dead.
 
Why do you think I ignore the failures of the conservative ideology? because the conservative ideology promotes individual freedom and personal choice not mandated choice and with personal choice comes consequences good or bad. Not the case with liberalism as all the consequences are bad and mandated
Wow. That's a rather myopic view, but not surprising given most of your posts. To be that obtuse about anything doesn't make much sense.

Yes, I repeat the same thing over and over again until you answer the direct questions and stop diverting, why is it the federal gov't's responsibility to provide for your personal responsibility needs?
The responsibility of any government is whatever the people decide is under its purview and at whichever level people decide they want it to be. There are no stone tablets for governance that aren't malleable. The Constitution itself is open to amending because the founders knew changes would be necessary since the needs change with the times.

You just love to argue but aren't apparently mature enough to admit when wrong
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"Wrong" apparently means anything that doesn't conform to your narrow narratives. You bleat on about failures in certain "blue" states but ignore the successes and do the inverse for "red" states.
 
Wow. That's a rather myopic view, but not surprising given most of your posts. To be that obtuse about anything doesn't make much sense.


The responsibility of any government is whatever the people decide is under its purview and at whichever level people decide they want it to be. There are no stone tablets for governance that aren't malleable. The Constitution itself is open to amending because the founders knew changes would be necessary since the needs change with the times.


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"Wrong" apparently means anything that doesn't conform to your narrow narratives. You bleat on about failures in certain "blue" states but ignore the successes and do the inverse for "red" states.
The problem with you is you lack basic civics understanding as to what the role is of the state and local governments and when you cannot get what you want you go to the courts or the the federal bureaucrats that don't have term limits. You want to amend the Constitution to provide for more federal power go for it but as of now that power is at the state and local level with everything except the common defense and liberals are ignoring that with the border crisis.

Actually wrong means anything that doesn't get support from official data and liberal results don't have that support
 
The problem with you is you lack basic civics understanding as to what the role is of the state and local governments and when you cannot get what you want you go to the courts or the the federal bureaucrats that don't have term limits.
I understand the roles just fine, the problem is you feel the role of government and its scope is unchangeable, when that is not the case. I don't have the same lack of faith in government that you do, because in the end, the government is a reflection of us.

You should be mindful of claiming others do not understand civics when back in one of the election fraud threads you didn't seem to understand the basics of who sets the rules for elections as outlined in the Constitution. It's a rather cheap (but inaccurate) way of trying to devalue someone's point while saying providing nothing substantive in your retort.

You want to amend the Constitution to provide for more federal power go for it but as of now that power is at the state and local level with everything except the common defense and liberals are ignoring that with the border crisis.
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Oh, the off-ramp.
Actually wrong means anything that doesn't get support from official data and liberal results don't have that support
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That would defeat most of your bad data analysis as well. Throwing stones in glass houses and all that.
 
I understand the roles just fine, the problem is you feel the role of government and its scope is unchangeable, when that is not the case. I don't have the same lack of faith in government that you do, because in the end, the government is a reflection of us.

You should be mindful of claiming others do not understand civics when back in one of the election fraud threads you didn't seem to understand the basics of who sets the rules for elections as outlined in the Constitution. It's a rather cheap (but inaccurate) way of trying to devalue someone's point while saying providing nothing substantive in your retort.


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Oh, the off-ramp.

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That would defeat most of your bad data analysis as well. Throwing stones in glass houses and all that.
Right the role of gov't is changing thanks to people like you, getting bigger, stronger, and more controlling. You claim to be a business owner, what kind of business that supports the massive growth in the federal gov't. We have seen what happens with a bloated federal gov't and still that doesn't resonate.

There was massive election fraud but your partisanship cannot see it, there was no justification for sending out ballots to every citizen on the voter roles in 9 states without cleaning up those roles first and there certainly was no justification for no excuse mail in ballots without full absentee ballot requirements. Biden won the election by 150,000 votes from a total of 5 states giving him the 270 electoral votes need, all those votes came in AFTER the polls closed and were in Democratic Controlled cities that are fighting the election challenges in court. Politics is big money and power controls that money, the cities of Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, Madison, Las Vegas all under Democratic Control gave Biden the win. The popular vote win is a fraud as the entire win came from LA, SF, S.D. and NYC
 
So does the reality of the education you received and your debating skills
lol...whatever you say. I'm not the one getting laughed at for starting yet another failed thread.
 
lol...whatever you say. I'm not the one getting laughed at for starting yet another failed thread.
You put a lot of emphasis on the reaction of other very poorly educated radicals and their debating skills.
 
Right the role of gov't is changing thanks to people like you, getting bigger, stronger, and more controlling. You claim to be a business owner, what kind of business that supports the massive growth in the federal gov't. We have seen what happens with a bloated federal gov't and still that doesn't resonate.
It's how change generally happens, and often you will have the status quo advocates resisting as has been the case for just about any advancement we've had; par for the course really.

There was massive election fraud but your partisanship cannot see it, there was no justification for sending out ballots to every citizen on the voter roles in 9 states without cleaning up those roles first and there certainly was no justification for no excuse mail in ballots without full absentee ballot requirements. Biden won the election by 150,000 votes from a total of 5 states giving him the 270 electoral votes need, all those votes came in AFTER the polls closed and were in Democratic Controlled cities that are fighting the election challenges in court. Politics is big money and power controls that money, the cities of Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, Madison, Las Vegas all under Democratic Control gave Biden the win. The popular vote win is a fraud as the entire win came from LA, SF, S.D. and NYC
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This is pure projection. You cannot see the daft premise the former president sold his followers who gleefully accepted as absurd an idea that the only way he could lose was through cheating. Apparently the DOJ, courts where suits were filed, and Republican state election officials et.al couldn't see it either, and there's no "partisanship" excuse you can throw for the latter unless you go into full conspiracy theory mode.
 
It's how change generally happens, and often you will have the status quo advocates resisting as has been the case for just about any advancement we've had; par for the course really.


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This is pure projection. You cannot see the daft premise the former president sold his followers who gleefully accepted as absurd an idea that the only way he could lose was through cheating. Apparently the DOJ, courts where suits were filed, and Republican state election officials et.al couldn't see it either, and there's no "partisanship" excuse you can throw for the latter unless you go into full conspiracy theory mode.
I am going to remind you that we are a country of 50 states with a Constitution that defines the role of the federal gov't. If it isn't in the Constitution it is the responsibility of the states until the Constitution is amended. 74 million Americans voted for Trump in November and over 60 million Americans refused to go to the polls due to scare tactics by the left. the accuracy of those votes will always remain in question but there is no doubt that it wasn't Biden support that put him in power but rather anti Trump hatred based upon total and complete ignorance of that Constitution.

You refuse to acknowledge that liberalism destroys incentive and creates dependence so you cannot even apply human reaction and your own to that issue. If someone pays you to stay home, someone provides your food you don't have the incentive to go to work or take care of yourself. Stop judging everyone else by your own standards and look at the reality of what is happening all over this country. Our country wasn't built on an entitlement ideology
 
I am going to remind you that we are a country of 50 states with a Constitution that defines the role of the federal gov't. If it isn't in the Constitution it is the responsibility of the states until the Constitution is amended. 74 million Americans voted for Trump in November and over 60 million Americans refused to go to the polls due to scare tactics by the left. the accuracy of those votes will always remain in question but there is no doubt that it wasn't Biden support that put him in power but rather anti Trump hatred based upon total and complete ignorance of that Constitution.
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The endless excuses are pretty funny, I must say.

You refuse to acknowledge that liberalism destroys incentive and creates dependence so you cannot even apply human reaction and your own to that issue.
To accept this premise, one would have to ignore the successes in just about every industrialized nation on the planet which have adopted more liberal policies as it relates to social programs and have thriving economies and populations.

If someone pays you to stay home, someone provides your food you don't have the incentive to go to work or take care of yourself.
Really? The working poor seem to challenge that very concept. Why haven't they given up their jobs and just lived off the dole?

Stop judging everyone else by your own standards and look at the reality of what is happening all over this country. Our country wasn't built on an entitlement ideology
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Why do you think I ignore the failures of the conservative ideology? because the conservative ideology promotes individual freedom and personal choice not mandated choice and with personal choice comes consequences good or bad. Not the case with liberalism as all the consequences are bad and mandated

Yes, I repeat the same thing over and over again until you answer the direct questions and stop diverting, why is it the federal gov't's responsibility to provide for your personal responsibility needs?

You just love to argue but aren't apparently mature enough to admit when wrong

As a life long liberal I am still waiting for that massive retro check from the government that you apparently think is available in a liberally run nation. Where o where is my check?
 
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The endless excuses are pretty funny, I must say.


To accept this premise, one would have to ignore the successes in just about every industrialized nation on the planet which have adopted more liberal policies as it relates to social programs and have thriving economies and populations.


Really? The working poor seem to challenge that very concept. Why haven't they given up their jobs and just lived off the dole?


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Because at least 74 million Americans and their family understand that it is their role to take care of each other and not have a federal bureaucrat do it. The endless diversion from reality is noted in everyone of your posts. The working poor aren't collecting unemployment benefits and it is the working poor that have true family values that the left is destroying
 
Because at least 74 million Americans and their family understand that it is their role to take care of each other and not have a federal bureaucrat do it.
You may want to rethink that premise since those 74 million also voted for someone who was going to replace the ACA with some thing even better; meaning it was going to be in the same vein. It seems the majority of Americans favor many aspects of the ACA, so it doesn't seem the aversion to having a federal bureaucrat "do it" is that much of a sticking point. Once again, facts get in the way of your narratives. Oddly enough, these types of programs are people taking care of each other, since we are paying into a system that provides this kind of access.


The endless diversion from reality is noted in everyone of your posts.
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The working poor aren't collecting unemployment benefits and it is the working poor that have true family values that the left is destroying
They are collecting government aid and healthcare though, which falls under the "entitlement mentality" you rail against. So your argument doesn't make much sense since it's "the left" that are supporting programs for them to scrape by. If your "family values" premise were to play out the way you often express it, these folks would shun this money and suffer in silence; because, you know, "personal responsibility".
 
You may want to rethink that premise since those 74 million also voted for someone who was going to replace the ACA with some thing even better; meaning it was going to be in the same vein. It seems the majority of Americans favor many aspects of the ACA, so it doesn't seem the aversion to having a federal bureaucrat "do it" is that much of a sticking point. Once again, facts get in the way of your narratives. Oddly enough, these types of programs are people taking care of each other, since we are paying into a system that provides this kind of access.



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They are collecting government aid and healthcare though, which falls under the "entitlement mentality" you rail against. So your argument doesn't make much sense since it's "the left" that are supporting programs for them to scrape by. If your "family values" premise were to play out the way you often express it, these folks would shun this money and suffer in silence; because, you know, "personal responsibility".
Not really, by belief and unlike you I don't speak for those 74 million I do speak for myself when I support limited federal involvement in personal responsibility issues. I live in a state that allows me to make choices and a state that offers healthcare to those who don't have it. You have been indoctrinated into believing that is federal responsibility, it isn't as healthcare expenses are state and local problems thus a state and local issue
 
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