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Mostly the GDP is a bad measure. It includes all kinds of parasites like financial managers and the salaries of make work for the overcredentialed. The job of HR specialist didn’t exist before 1965 for example.

Before that it was called "personnel," but changing the name made everything different, right?
 
Not really, by belief and unlike you I don't speak for those 74 million I do speak for myself when I support limited federal involvement in personal responsibility issues. I live in a state that allows me to make choices and a state that offers healthcare to those who don't have it. You have been indoctrinated into believing that is federal responsibility, it isn't as healthcare expenses are state and local problems thus a state and local issue

Well, this is the problem. Conservatives don't DO anything. No conservative has fixed a problem since Richard Nixon left office.

So we're going to do it our way.
 
Not really, by belief and unlike you I don't speak for those 74 million I do speak for myself when I support limited federal involvement in personal responsibility issues. I live in a state that allows me to make choices and a state that offers healthcare to those who don't have it.
One of the former president's campaign points was to provide an alternative to the ACA, so it's a rather safe assumption that many of those who voted for him accepted that idea as part of his platform. This means those voters might not be as ideologically tied to the "personal responsibility" issues than you might think they do.

You have been indoctrinated into believing that is federal responsibility, it isn't as healthcare expenses are state and local problems thus a state and local issue
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I often wonder whether you actually have some kind of keyboard short cut to insert these into your responses.
 
One of the former president's campaign points was to provide an alternative to the ACA, so it's a rather safe assumption that many of those who voted for him accepted that idea as part of his platform. This means those voters might not be as ideologically tied to the "personal responsibility" issues than you might think they do.


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I often wonder whether you actually have some kind of keyboard short cut to insert these into your responses.
Trump was in office four years with the last one involving Covid, he was impeached twice and still generated the best three years of any President in history which you want to ignore. Here is the fact, it isn't the government's responsibility to pay with FIT and CIT your personal responsibility issues, what part of that don't you understand?

Couldn't care less what a President says but rather what he does. Where were you when JFK said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country? How does that fit into the liberal agenda toda
 
Trump was in office four years with the last one involving Covid, he was impeached twice and still generated the best three years of any President in history which you want to ignore. Here is the fact, it isn't the government's responsibility to pay with FIT and CIT your personal responsibility issues, what part of that don't you understand?
Odd that you would vote for a candidate promising something anathema to your stance on "personal responsibility".

Couldn't care less what a President says but rather what he does.
Really? You started a thread about what a VP tweeted.

Where were you when JFK said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country?
Not born yet.

How does that fit into the liberal agenda toda
It fits just fine. Me paying more in taxes to help our fellow citizens improve their lot by having better access to more of the essentials is doing something for the country.
 
Conservatives don't listen to rhetoric, they watch for results and 74 million got them from Trump.

Conservatives must really hate Trump then. His major result was a tanked economy and more dead Americans than were killed in World War II.
 



An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Why do you quote and republish such ignorance?
 
Conservatives must really hate Trump then. His major result was a tanked economy and more dead Americans than were killed in World War II.
Your problem is a failed education that taught you that bs
 
Your problem is a failed education that taught you that bs

Continue one with whatever rhetoric you wish, but the fact remains: Trump was in charge, his major result after four years has been the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and over half a million Americans dead. Those are results.
 
Continue one with whatever rhetoric you wish, but the fact remains: Trump was in charge, his major result after four years has been the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and over half a million Americans dead. Those are results.
So tell me were you one of those who wanted the economic shutdown to stop the spread of the virus or to get bad economic results to blame on Trump? Really worried about the education system in this country. There isn't a President in history that had a better first three years than Trump which is why the left had to destroy him and you bought the rhetoric. Results really don't matter to you especially economic results because now you want to focus on pandemic results
 
Two USA's the WEST WILL HAVE SSI, etc.similar programs for the East South and North.
 
So tell me were you one of those who wanted the economic shutdown to stop the spread of the virus or to get bad economic results to blame on Trump?
I'd have much rather Trump listened to his advisors and got testing up and running early, and not try to push responsibility off on the states. Once we were in a real pandemic, the shutdown was necessary--but hey, that shouldn't matter to someone so results oriented as you claim to be. The only thing that matters, so you have said, is the result or outcome. This was Trump's result. That's the standard you've insisted upon, until just now, when you seem to be realizing that it doesn't work out so well for your side as you might have thought.

Really worried about the education system in this country.
You should be, but not for any reasons under discussion here.

There isn't a President in history that had a better first three years than Trump which is why the left had to destroy him and you bought the rhetoric.
What rhetoric is that? Why specifically do you say that Trump had a better first three years than any other President in history?

Results really don't matter to you especially economic results because now you want to focus on pandemic results
I have been talking about economic results, so I have no idea why you'd say this. Also, since you've insisted so much on results being the only measure that's worth anything, I don't see why it should matter to you. A result is a result, and these were Trump's results. You should, by your own standards, think he was a really horrible President. But no, you've got plenty of rhetoric on your own side to fend off such a clear conclusion.
 
I'd have much rather Trump listened to his advisors and got testing up and running early, and not try to push responsibility off on the states. Once we were in a real pandemic, the shutdown was necessary--but hey, that shouldn't matter to someone so results oriented as you claim to be. The only thing that matters, so you have said, is the result or outcome. This was Trump's result. That's the standard you've insisted upon, until just now, when you seem to be realizing that it doesn't work out so well for your side as you might have thought.


You should be, but not for any reasons under discussion here.


What rhetoric is that? Why specifically do you say that Trump had a better first three years than any other President in history?


I have been talking about economic results, so I have no idea why you'd say this. Also, since you've insisted so much on results being the only measure that's worth anything, I don't see why it should matter to you. A result is a result, and these were Trump's results. You should, by your own standards, think he was a really horrible President. But no, you've got plenty of rhetoric on your own side to fend off such a clear conclusion.
The problem with your logic is that without authority there is no responsibility. Trump did not have the authority to mandate testing and enforcing masks, social distancing, and quarantine so what good is testing without those?

What you cannot seem to understand is the role of state and local governments in this pandemic.

I have posted over and over official context from bea.gov, bls.gov, and treasury.gov showing Trump results all of which were better than any President in history. It does seem that research is a foreign concept to liberals who want to cherry pick data to support a radical ideology
 
The problem with your logic is that without authority there is no responsibility. Trump did not have the authority to mandate testing and enforcing masks, social distancing, and quarantine so what good is testing without those?
Keep up with your rhetoric. I'm looking at results.

What you cannot seem to understand is the role of state and local governments in this pandemic.
Again with the rhetoric. The results that Trump got are obvious.

I have posted over and over official context from bea.gov, bls.gov, and treasury.gov showing Trump results all of which were better than any President in history. It does seem that research is a foreign concept to liberals who want to cherry pick data to support a radical ideology
No you haven't. You always say that, but you never actually post anything.
 
Keep up with your rhetoric. I'm looking at results.


Again with the rhetoric. The results that Trump got are obvious.


No you haven't. You always say that, but you never actually post anything.
No, you aren't looking at results for if you did you would be at bls.gov for employment seeing almost 7 million created in 3 years, a U-6 of 6.7, Part time jobs for economic reasons of 4.2, historic low unemployment for minorities, bea.gov where you would see 900 billion dollars per year in GDP dollar growth for the first three years

I stand by those numbers as do those various gov't data collection sources show


 
No, you aren't looking at results for if you did you would be at bls.gov for employment seeing almost 7 million created in 3 years, a U-6 of 6.7, Part time jobs for economic reasons of 4.2, historic low unemployment for minorities, bea.gov where you would see 900 billion dollars per year in GDP dollar growth for the first three years

I stand by those numbers as do those various gov't data collection sources show



I don't see that at the link you posted. I see a bunch of check boxes. Link to the page with that data.
 
I don't see that at the link you posted. I see a bunch of check boxes. Link to the page with that data.
Right, learn how to do research and find the data you want. The link provided is for all the data you need but as a Liberal that isn't good enough for you as you need someone to do it for you
 
Right, learn how to do research and find the data you want. The link provided is for all the data you need but as a Liberal that isn't good enough for you as you need someone to do it for you
No, you're the one that needs someone else to do it for you. You're the one making the claim. It's up to you to back up what you're saying--and for that matter, to actually say what you're saying. So far, I haven't seen any actual data from you, just some hand waving rhetoric and a link to a bunch of historic series downloads. Which specific series support your claim?
 
No, you're the one that needs someone else to do it for you. You're the one making the claim. It's up to you to back up what you're saying--and for that matter, to actually say what you're saying. So far, I haven't seen any actual data from you, just some hand waving rhetoric and a link to a bunch of historic series downloads. Which specific series support your claim?
Have provided the link to all the labor and economic data, sorry that you are incapable of doing research making you apparently one of those needing someone to do everything for you
 



An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Not in any unkind or personal spirit. But it must be evident to all of you, you must all know half a dozen people at least, who are no use in this world; who are more trouble than they are worth. And I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly appointed board just as he might come before the income tax commissioners and say every 5 years or every 7 years, just put them there, and say, sir or madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can’t justify your existence; if you’re not pulling your weight in the social boat; if you are not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then clearly we cannot use the big organization of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us, and it can’t be of very much use to yourself​

 
Have provided the link to all the labor and economic data, sorry that you are incapable of doing research making you apparently one of those needing someone to do everything for you
No, again, you are the one wanting me to do something for you. You need to support your claim. At least specify which series you're looking at--that is, the actual names of the series. As it looks right now, you don't know which series to cite.
 
No, again, you are the one wanting me to do something for you. You need to support your claim. At least specify which series you're looking at--that is, the actual names of the series. As it looks right now, you don't know which series to cite.
Continue showing what a waste of time you are as you buy propaganda and refuse to verify the accuracy of that rhetoric. Here is the example of the U-6 showing pre recession levels and when Obama left office and again at the end of Trump's first three years

Alternative measure of labor underutilization U-6 - LNS13327709



Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value
Series Id:LNS13327709
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:(Seas) Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force (U-6)
Labor force status:Aggregated totals unemployed
Type of data:Percent or rate
Age:16 years and over
Percent/rates:Unemployed and mrg attached and pt for econ reas as percent of labor force plus marg attached
Years:2008 to 2019
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
20089.19.09.19.29.710.010.510.811.111.812.713.6
200914.115.115.815.916.516.516.416.716.717.117.117.2
20179.29.18.88.78.68.58.48.68.38.18.18.1
20188.08.18.07.97.87.77.47.37.57.57.67.6
20198.07.27.47.47.27.26.97.26.97.06.96.8
 
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An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Trump cultists certainly don’t do their duty as Americans or contribute to society
 
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