TWO AMERICAS

[Conservative]

bob lonsberry dot com

The Democrats are right, there are two Americas.

The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t.

It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, to obey the law and support themselves and contribute to society, and others don’t.

That’s the divide in America.

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

 

[ataraxia]

bob lonsberry dot com

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Not sure what you mean. Over 80% of the nations GDP comes from blue cities and states. The red states are just coming along for the ride..and man are they whiny backseat drivers.

 

[Conservative]

Not sure what you mean. Over 80% of the nations GDP comes from blue cities and states. The red states are just coming along for the ride..and man are they whiny backseat drivers.

A very distorted opinion and not quite reality, what good is GDP when you lead the nation in poverty, homelessness, cost of living, high taxes. The continued ignorance of the left regarding givers and takers is stunning as there is no comparison between revenue going to the gov't in the form of FIT and CIT and the dollars going back to the states for federal mandates and expenses much of which go to those city dwellers in blue cities in red states

 

[calamity]

bob lonsberry dot com

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

Aren't you retired and living on the dole?

 

[calamity]

Not sure what you mean. Over 80% of the nations GDP comes from blue cities and states. The red states are just coming along for the ride..and man are they whiny backseat drivers.

Exactly. The highest earners I know all lean slightly Left. They sure as hell are not Trumpers.

 

[Conservative]

Aren't you retired and living on the dole?

Yep, after spending 35 years giving the gov't free use of my money and my employer's I am indeed getting some of it back. You have a problem with that?

 

[Conservative]

Exactly. The highest earners I know all lean slightly Left. They sure as hell are not Trumpers.

Right, the highest earners do indeed lean left so why the hatred of rich Americans or is it only rich conservatives? Rich leaning leftists are like most liberal elites giving lip service to the ideology and never the results that reconcile with that rhetoric

 

[ataraxia]

A very distorted opinion and not quite reality, what good is GDP when you lead the nation in poverty, homelessness, cost of living, high taxes. The continued ignorance of the left regarding givers and takers is stunning as there is no comparison between revenue going to the gov't in the form of FIT and CIT and the dollars going back to the states for federal mandates and expenses much of which go to those city dwellers in blue cities in red states

GDP gives the blue areas of the country great economic clout. The cost of living is a direct reflection of the desirability of living in those places- in economics that's called the law of supply and demand.

If the red states don't like it, they should get off their lazy behind and start producing more like the blue states. But instead, all they do is whine and try to cling to obsolete technologies and jobs, and then wonder why they are being left behind.

 

[calamity]

Yep, after spending 35 years giving the gov't free use of my money and my employer's I am indeed getting some of it back. You have a problem with that?

Only when you whine about others doing no different than what you yourself consider A-OK.

 

[calamity]

Right, the highest earners do indeed lean left so why the hatred of rich Americans or is it only rich conservatives? Rich leaning leftists are like most liberal elites giving lip service to the ideology and never the results that reconcile with that rhetoric

I don't hate the rich. I am one. Kind of like how I am white and male and straight, I don't hate them either. I only shake my head when they play victim.

 

[Conservative]

GDP gives the blue areas of the country great economic clout. The cost of living is a direct reflection of the desirability of living in those places- in economics that's called the law of supply and demand.

If the red states don't like it, they should get off their lazy behind and start producing more like the blue states. But instead, all they do is whine and try to cling to obsolete technologies and jobs, and then wonder why they are being left behind.

What a bunch of bullshit, give me the name of the red cities in Red States? you keep buying rhetoric and ignoring results. Federal mandates are for federal expenses and go to the people in those states whether red or blue, Democrats in Red States aren't discriminated against by payment of federal funds. You really are confused and have been indoctrinated well by the left. Red states have blue cities so I anxiously await your list of the Red cities in the top 50 cities in this country?

 

[Conservative]

I don't hate the rich. I am one. Kind of like how I am white and male and straight, I don't hate them either. I only shake my head when they play victim.

Who is playing the victim that is a conservative, the ones claiming to be the victims are those living in blue cities across the country paying high taxes and not receiving the benefits from those taxes

 

[swing_voter]

Bob Lonsberrry.


The author of the OP article.




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[ataraxia]

Who is playing the victim that is a conservative, the ones claiming to be the victims are those living in blue cities across the country paying high taxes and not receiving the benefits from those taxes

Nah, the whole Trump movement is just one big victim card. That's not an opinion. Studies have actually shown it:

"People who voted for Donald Trump and feel warmly towards him tend to score higher on a measure of egocentric victimhood, according to new research published in the scientific journal Political Behavior....

“The people most often described as victims in these accounts were, at least in terms of historical political disadvantages, not victimized,” the researchers explained. “We became interested in determining whether feelings of victimhood actually manifested in these disparate ways (they do), whether they were concentrated among certain subsets of the population (they are not), and whether they meaningfully impacted a number of political attitudes, orientations, and choices (they do).” "

Egocentric victimhood is linked to support for Trump, study finds

People who voted for Donald Trump and feel warmly towards him tend to score higher on a measure of egocentric victimhood, according to new research

www.psypost.org

 

[Utility Man]

.........China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

You envy china......

......and are convinced we all have it too easy.....

......no one should be surprised.

 

[Conservative]

Nah, the whole Trump movement is just one big victim card. That's not an opinion. Studies have actually shown it:

"People who voted for Donald Trump and feel warmly towards him tend to score higher on a measure of egocentric victimhood, according to new research published in the scientific journal Political Behavior....

“The people most often described as victims in these accounts were, at least in terms of historical political disadvantages, not victimized,” the researchers explained. “We became interested in determining whether feelings of victimhood actually manifested in these disparate ways (they do), whether they were concentrated among certain subsets of the population (they are not), and whether they meaningfully impacted a number of political attitudes, orientations, and choices (they do).” "

Egocentric victimhood is linked to support for Trump, study finds

People who voted for Donald Trump and feel warmly towards him tend to score higher on a measure of egocentric victimhood, according to new research

www.psypost.org

That is your opinion as again you focus personality and not results, The party that promotes victims is the Democratic Party what claims they are being disenfranchised, unfairly treated, jealous of what others have, and experiencing racial inequality. People who voted for Trump understand personal responsibility, understand the role of the President, understand state and local responsibility, and the reality that keeping more of what you earn means less dependence on the federal bureaucrats

 

[Conservative]

You envy china......



......and are convinced we all have it too easy.....





......no one should be surprised.

Pretty pictures and full of typical leftwing propaganda none of which is even close to the truth. Keep spreading that propaganda diverting from the reality that without victims there wouldn't be a Democratic Party today. Keep ignoring that paying people to stay home makes them unemployable, and by all means keep promoting class envy and jealousy while the liberal elites get richer and richer from those dependent people

 

[AGENT J]

It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, to obey the law and support themselves and contribute to society, and others don’t.

That’s the divide in America.

Wow, i wish that was the case because it would be a much eaiser thing to fix and weed out but its simply not, that doesn't even actually make sense LMAO
If there is a divide and its affecting life and government how are the people that do nothing and not contributing creating a divide.

Seems they would in fact HAVE to be doing something right?

Any real divide isnt left, right, black, white, religious, non, gay, straight ect etc


Its people that support rights, equality, democracy vs those who want to treat others as lessers and they want that standard to remain the norm

thats the foundation . . there are other things on top of that foundation but thats it

there can be many many disagreements and things that people view differently and STILL support rights, equality and democracy . . but some arent interested in that IF it stops them from oppressing others or takes away unequal advantages from them

 

[tshade]

bob lonsberry dot com

An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

How does that koolaid taste ??? BTW = good paying jobs have no problem with finding workers for the most part

 

[HIP56948]

You envy china......

......and are convinced we all have it too easy.....

......no one should be surprised.

AMEN. You preach it, Brother. One of my friend's brothers works for a major yacht manufacturer. He's told us "Every time these so-called tax cuts happen (to give money to the rich so they can create jobs)....the sales of our most expensive yachts goes through the proverbial roof" PS: I wasn't a bit surprised..I've heard that expensive watches and jewelry also heads upward.

 

[ataraxia]

That is your opinion as again you focus personality and not results, The party that promotes victims is the Democratic Party what claims they are being disenfranchised, unfairly treated, jealous of what others have, and experiencing racial inequality. People who voted for Trump understand personal responsibility, understand the role of the President, understand state and local responsibility, and the reality that keeping more of what you earn means less dependence on the federal bureaucrats

If they understand personal responsibility, why do they want him to artificially protect them against the forces of the free market that are making their manufacturing and coal jobs obsolete and outsourcing their low-skill labor overseas? That's just how the free market works. What, they are victims and too lazy to retrain for a 21st century economy?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Not sure what you mean. Over 80% of the nations GDP comes from blue cities and states. The red states are just coming along for the ride..and man are they whiny backseat drivers.

Mostly the GDP is a bad measure. It includes all kinds of parasites like financial managers and the salaries of make work for the overcredentialed. The job of HR specialist didn’t exist before 1965 for example.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3651
An article written in 2013 is the same thing that can be said about today and the country the liberals are creating. Paying people to stay home when there are over 8 million jobs available according to Commerce has led to the dumbing down of America and creation of the massive nanny state the left wants by creating unemployable people as the economy is passing them by sitting at home collecting a check from the taxpayers. China and the world are passing us by thanks to liberalism and creation of an entitlement society.

More striking today is the distinction between those who live in an America with facts and those who live in an America with "alternate facts".
The folks in alternate facts reality seem sad and scared.
So, they cling to superstitions like, "Trump advice is better than expert advice"

 

[Underestimated]

China knows American capitalists weakest point: Profits (ie., greed).

 

[calamity]

Mostly the GDP is a bad measure. It includes all kinds of parasites like financial managers and the salaries of make work for the overcredentialed. The job of HR specialist didn’t exist before 1965 for example.

lol...sounds like someone is jealous of those more successful. BTW, project managers didn't exist either, not until someone realized they needed one...lol