Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

[Peter]

His testimony is evidence.

Until a gun is found it's simply his word.
He has a good reason to lie as it gives his shooting some justification.

 

[Peter]

So can a shitty little criminal kid

So you really think a kid who steals a car is worthy of being killed?

Wow, you really do have a low opinion on the value of human life.

 

[Bodi]

Until a gun is found it's simply his word.

Incorrect. It is evidence.

He has a good reason to lie as it gives his shooting some justification.

That is why there is a Defense, to find evidence that contradicts his/hers.

 

[Bodi]

So you really think a kid who steals a car is worthy of being killed?

Not executed. But if in the commission of a crime, why not?

Wow, you really do have a low opinion on the value of human life.

So do you. If you had a high opinion you would be complaining about all wars and all innocent deaths and all criminals put in prison that are killed by inmates and the list goes on and on, nobody deserves to die for bad deeds? That is Hippy Dippy nonsense. Some parent rapes their child and you think that there life has value? I doubt you do but if you do that is disgusting as ****. ... so don't try to make yourself all high and mighty. LOL


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[JMR]

Incorrect. It is evidence.



That is why there is a Defense, to find evidence that contradicts his/hers.

The kids could say they never had a gun. That would be considered evidence also.

 

[Bodi]

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I notice that lots of people that have never been in life or death situations are really cavalier about the "value of life" and are the first to whine about how precious life is. Have a gun stuck in your face for no reason and get back to me if that ****ing trash's life has value or not. Until then... shut the **** up.

 

[Bodi]

The kids could say they never had a gun. That would be considered evidence also.

There we go. Correct.

 

[Peter]

Incorrect. It is evidence.



That is why there is a Defense, to find evidence that contradicts his/hers.

Surely he has to prove they had a gun though.
His claim is just that, a claim that they had a gun.

 

[Bodi]

Surely he has to prove they had a gun though.

No. That is up to to the authorities...

His claim is just that, a claim that they had a gun.

Which is evidence.


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[VySky]

So you really think a kid who steals a car is worthy of being killed?

Wow, you really do have a low opinion on the value of human life.

The ones having low value of life are the very ones putting it on the line when they decide to commit crimes.

 

[JoeB131]

Another example how society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

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Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.

6abc.com

How are we safer shooting kids who were probably taking a car for a joy ride?

 

[Lovebug]

??WHA...?? You think shooting a car thief makes us safer?!? On what planet does that happen?
I guess there's no sense in asking you about whether or not the punishment should fit the crime. Too complicated a question for you. As Trump's biggest fanboy, I'm sure you were tickled to hear him say he'd have the National Guard shoot shoplifters. There's a country you'd delight in living in.

In Trumpistan, everyone found guilty of stealing diapers and baby food would be sentenced to death.

One of the juveniles pulled a gun, so I guess one could argue self defense.

From the OP

Another example how society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

We aren't safer when we don't know whether the criminal is armed.

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.

When the man confronted the juveniles, police say one of them pulled out a gun.

How many lives is a Honda worth?

 

[Groogrux]

That's about as high a heaping pile of bullshit in one answer anyone can possibly muster. If someone is stealing your car, and they are not armed, and you pull a gun on them, what the **** do you think you can do about it? Hmmm? Shoot them?!!? Only somebody with their head WAY up their own ass would think that was an appropriate response, let alone one that they could legally get away with.

And that goes for Philly, or anywhere else in this country.

Do you live in Philly? Know any Philly police officers? No? It’s an unspoken truth, no gun or violence, they’ll won’t be showing up for hours.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How are we safer shooting kids who were probably taking a car for a joy ride?

1) Lack of skill, they can kill someone if they cause an accident, which is moire likely.

2) Get away with a crime, do more.

3) Catch and release, they laugh, and do more.

Crime against others needs to be penalized harshly so the lean a lesson that they wish not to repeat.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How many lives is a Honda worth?

How much is a life worth that steals from others?

I say zero. The Honda is worth more.

 

[MamboDervish]

Do you live in Philly? Know any Philly police officers? No? It’s an unspoken truth, no gun or violence, they’ll won’t be showing up for hours.

Your none response has been duly noted. But who gives a **** about the Philly police? They don’t even have to show up to put out an APB on your stolen vehicle. Your answer refuses to address what should be the obvious questions. Can you legally shoot an unarmed car thief who poses no threat to you? Yes or No? The correct answer is: NO!

You are not a Law Enforcement officer, and your gun alone does not give you the power to enforce the law. Period. If the thief or thieves laugh at you and take the car anyway, your only remaining recourse amounts to doing what you should have done in the first place. Report the crime to the authorities. If you shoot somebody, then YOU become the criminal. If you brandish a gun at someone, and then they take theirs out and shoot you, then it becomes a self defense case in their favor. And that’s not even including possible charges for any number of other things, ….. reckless endangerment of the public, for example.

This all serves to highlight one of the most pervasive fantasies about concealed carry permits. The preponderance of people who get them think/feel that it makes them safer, when the actual circumstances when it would do that are infinitesimally small for the average person. And the odds of intervening in somebody else’s behalf are even slimmer. Your odds are better to hit the lottery. Unless you are subject to targeted mugging by virtue of your job (you move large sums of cash, prescription drugs, jewels, … for example ) there’s no reason to even apply for one because the odds just go up for personal injury, losing it, gun theft, or you getting shot with your own weapon. But alas, it is well nigh impossible to disabuse people of their gun carrying fantasies.

 

[Groogrux]

Your none response has been duly noted. But who gives a **** about the Philly police? They don’t even have to show up to put out an APB on your stolen vehicle. Your answer refuses to address what should be the obvious questions. Can you legally shoot an unarmed car thief who poses no threat to you? Yes or No? The correct answer is: NO!

You are not a Law Enforcement officer, and your gun alone does not give you the power to enforce the law. Period. If the thief or thieves laugh at you and take the car anyway, your only remaining recourse amounts to doing what you should have done in the first place. Report the crime to the authorities. If you shoot somebody, then YOU become the criminal. If you brandish a gun at someone, and then they take theirs out and shoot you, then it becomes a self defense case in their favor. And that’s not even including possible charges for any number of other things, ….. reckless endangerment of the public, for example.

This all serves to highlight one of the most pervasive fantasies about concealed carry permits. The preponderance of people who get them think/feel that it makes them safer, when the actual circumstances when it would do that are infinitesimally small for the average person. And the odds of intervening in somebody else’s behalf are even slimmer. Your odds are better to hit the lottery. Unless you are subject to targeted mugging by virtue of your job (you move large sums of cash, prescription drugs, jewels, … for example ) there’s no reason to even apply for one because the odds just go up for personal injury, losing it, gun theft, or you getting shot with your own weapon. But alas, it is well nigh impossible to disabuse people of their gun carrying fantasies.

Seems though I this case they can snd be applauded for it. This is a local story for me. The man is being hailed a hero. Crime is rampant is Philly and the good folks of the city are starting to fight back and that’s is a good thing.

 

[JoeB131]

1) Lack of skill, they can kill someone if they cause an accident, which is moire likely.

2) Get away with a crime, do more.

3) Catch and release, they laugh, and do more.

Crime against others needs to be penalized harshly so the lean a lesson that they wish not to repeat.

You never did anything stupid as a teenager?

 

[Lord of Planar]

You never did anything stupid as a teenager?

Sure I have. But never actions against another person. Theft. never. Fighting, only in self defense.

 

[VySky]

How are we safer shooting kids who were probably taking a car for a joy ride?

One of them pulled a gun. That puts the owner of the car in an unsafe situation.

 

[VySky]

You never did anything stupid as a teenager?

Oh, so you think this was their first rodeo?

 

[Lord of Planar]

That's one problem with you lefties. No standards to hold others accountable for their actions.

 

[Cosmo]

I grew up watching lots of shoot'em-up cowboy movies. While fun to watch, I remember thinking I'm so glad I don't live in that kind of society anymore, but instead in modern civil societies.

Oh well, I guess I was wrong...

Plenty of non-shoot'em-up-modern-civil-society places in the United States. In fact, it's almost everywhere except in a few shitty inner city neighborhoods. Thank a Democrat for this one!

??WHA...?? You think shooting a car thief makes us safer?!?

Until they're out of the hospital. Not for good, at least not not in this case since it looks like these two retards will be fine.

On what planet does that happen?
I guess there's no sense in asking you about whether or not the punishment should fit the crime. Too complicated a question for you. As Trump's biggest fanboy, I'm sure you were tickled to hear him say he'd have the National Guard shoot shoplifters. There's a country you'd delight in living in.

In Trumpistan, everyone found guilty of stealing diapers and baby food would be sentenced to death.

If a gun was pulled on me, then I'd have no problem taking out my own and pulling the trigger, given the chance. But that totally belies the point I was making. Auto theft is not a capital offense.

And they're not going to be executed for it. They were merely temporarily sucking on some lead because that was the reasonable force that was necessary to stop their crime. Self-defense != punishment.

 

[Cosmo]

The kids could say they never had a gun. That would be considered evidence also.

It would be, but easily impeached if they can be established as car thieves.

 

[Cosmo]

Surely he has to prove they had a gun though.
His claim is just that, a claim that they had a gun.

That's only if he gets charged. News report says "the juveniles could face attempted auto theft, robbery, weapons and attempted carjacking charges."

Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.

6abc.com

It's still early and it could be wrong, but by the time you're in "robbery" and "carjacking" territory, it likely doesn't make or break anything if you have a gun or not as far as self-defense is concerned.

How are we safer shooting kids who were probably taking a car for a joy ride?

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're serious or doing standup comedy.

Can you legally shoot an unarmed car thief who poses no threat to you? Yes or No? The correct answer is: NO!

If they did it in his presence, it's not just a car theft. It's a carjacking/robbery.

§ 3702. Robbery of motor vehicle.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a felony of the first degree if he steals or takes a motor vehicle from another person in the presence of that person or any other person in lawful possession of the motor vehicle.

Title 18

www.legis.state.pa.us