Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

[MamboDervish]

What about when people break the law intending to do me or my family harm? Those are crimes and they occur despite laws...correct?

?? I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if crimes occur despite their being laws against them? Of course. The laws exists to punish the criminals.

Is there a reason that our lives should be put more at risk because of the fear for others?

Where is this going? I can't speak to your "fear for others", but I don't see how your fear for others puts your life any more at risk than any other time, under any other circumstance.

Are the others' lives more valuable than ours?

Why would you imagine that they are? You seem bewildered. Are you having nightmares about something?

 

[Lursa]

?? I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if crimes occur despite their being laws against them? Of course. The laws exists to punish the criminals.

Where is this going? I can't speak to your "fear for others", but I don't see how your fear for others puts your life any more at risk than any other time, under any other circumstance.

Why would you imagine that they are? You seem bewildered. Are you having nightmares about something?

If crimes are going to continue to be committed by people, why should I be denied a firearm if, being the person that knows mine and my families risks and circumstances, I believe it's prudent to have that protection? Will be an appropriate advantage against those dangers? Do strangers know our training and preparations and risks?

Who else knows our circumstances and risks better? Are they entitled to decide for us? It's like strangers telling a woman that needs an abortion that they know better than she does what her risks and circumstances with pregnancy are.

My questions are pretty direct, and clear...they have question marks. Please just respond directly to those. Drop the sarcasm, if you want to avoid the questions...say so.

 

[MamboDervish]

If crimes are going to continue to be committed by people, why should I be denied a firearm if, being the person that knows mine and my families risks and circumstances, I believe it's prudent to have that protection? Will be an appropriate advantage against those dangers? Do strangers know our training and preparations and risks?

Non sequitur. Who is suggesting you be denied a firearm? I certainly never have.

Who else knows our circumstances and risks better? Are they entitled to decide for us? It's like strangers telling a woman that needs an abortion that they know better than she does what her risks and circumstances with pregnancy are.

Who is this directed at? It sounds like you're arguing with somebody else.

My questions are pretty direct, and clear...they have question marks. Please just respond directly to those. Drop the sarcasm, if you want to avoid the questions...say so.

I don't know what the **** you're talking about, and I haven't the energy, nor the time tonight to be guessing. Perhaps we can revisit this when your nightmares have subsided, and your head is cleared.

 

[Lursa]

Non sequitur. Who is suggesting you be denied a firearm? I certainly never have.

Who is this directed at? It sounds like you're arguing with somebody else.

I don't know what the **** you're talking about, and I haven't the energy, nor the time tonight to be guessing. Perhaps we can revisit this when your nightmares have subsided, and your head is cleared.

Easy there, no need to get all upset. You dont have to answer...I'll just mosey on my way and return if there's actual debate to be found. Your odd fantasies about my sleepstate need not concern you anymore...the images seem to antagonize you. No need! I sleep like a baby.

 

[MamboDervish]

Easy there, no need to get all upset. You dont have to answer...I'll just mosey on my way and return if there's actual debate to be found. Your odd fantasies about my sleepstate need not concern you anymore...the images seem to antagonize you. No need! I sleep like a baby.

..... okay. Perhaps tomorrow you can take a moment to tell me where you got the idea I wanted to take your gun away.
Pleasant dreams ...

 

[americanwoman]

I doubt it. Most of these kids are like animals. They have little empathy, it is fight or flight or take and laugh when they commit crimes or hurt people they just shout you down and justify their behaviour and dismiss everything.

Still you can't give up hope or the cycle just continues because you've already labeled them and brushed them off.

 

[stealthycat]

lots of problems in our society that makes it so violent like why 13 year old kids would be stealing cars to begin with

that said, a person has a right to protect themselves and their property and fighting back is a good thing, I support the victim here and have little empathy for the criminal thugs

 

[Bodi]

Still you can't give up hope or the cycle just continues because you've already labeled them and brushed them off.

The cycle continuing has nothing to do with you or I... it has to do with socio-economic factors and choices of their parents and community.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The cycle continuing has nothing to do with you or I... it has to do with socio-economic factors and choices of their parents and community.

This is true. Still, even the poor need to teach values to their children values instead of letting them be scum off of shit.

 

[Bodi]

This is true. Still, even the poor need to teach values to their children values instead of letting them be scum off of shit.

Absolutely... parents have trouble competing with peer pressure and social media now-days, though, especially among certain demographics.

 

[noonereal]

Another example how society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

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Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.

6abc.com

In Albuquerque last week, 5 or more teenagers tried to rob a couple, and shot the wife twice. The husband returned fire, killing one and wounding another, and then drove his wife to the hospital. She will be OK.

and these are positive outcomes?

sickening posts. Truly despicable.

 

[Lursa]

..... okay. Perhaps tomorrow you can take a moment to tell me where you got the idea I wanted to take your gun away.
Pleasant dreams ...

I'm glad you calmed down. And if you dont want to debate what I wrote, you still dont have to. If you dont want firearms removed from law-abiding citizens, then no problem.

 

[coyote505]

and these are positive outcomes?

sickening posts. Truly despicable.

A: YES
Only your post is truly despicable, rooting for the thugs.

 

[rhinefire]

I grew up watching lots of shoot'em-up cowboy movies. While fun to watch, I remember thinking I'm so glad I don't live in that kind of society anymore, but instead in modern civil societies.

Oh well, I guess I was wrong...

BULLSEYE!

 

[Peter]

Another example how society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

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Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.

6abc.com

Do you think a car is worth the life of 2 13 year olds?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do you think a car is worth the life of 2 13 year olds?

Why does anyone value a person who it trash?

 

[Peter]

Why does anyone value a person who it trash?

They're 13.
Call me crazy but I don't think stopping my car being stolen is worth 2 people being shot and possibly killed.

That's why insurance exists.

 

[VySky]

Do you think a car is worth the life of 2 13 year olds?

That’s a question for the 13 year olds.

 

[Peter]

That’s a question for the 13 year olds.

Not really.

Do you think preventing a car being stolen is worth shooting 2 13 year olds?

 

[VySky]

Not really.

Do you think preventing a car being stolen is worth shooting 2 13 year olds?

The question is for the 13 year olds.

Is stealing a car worth the chance of being shot?

Do they consider it acceptable risk?

 

[Peter]

The question is for the 13 year olds.

Is stealing a car worth the chance of being shot?

Do they consider it acceptable risk?

I don't think shooting at children should be allowed to prevent car theft.
A car can be easily replaced.
A child's life can't.

 

[VySky]

I don't think shooting at children should be allowed to prevent car theft.
A car can be easily replaced.
A child's life can't.

That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

 

[Lord of Planar]

They're 13.
Call me crazy but I don't think stopping my car being stolen is worth 2 people being shot and possibly killed.

That's why insurance exists.

No insurance can replace my car. They don't make them anymore, especially like mine.



It is in excellent shape. I have had high offers on it but will not sell. Only 438 made with the SLP option that year. How many do you think are left after 28 years?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Not really.

Do you think preventing a car being stolen is worth shooting 2 13 year olds?

Stealing someone's horse use to he a hanging offense.

Damn straight. Steal someones means to go to work and make a living.

We need to bring back capitol punishment for first degree crimes against others.

 

[Peter]

No insurance can replace my car. They don't make them anymore, especially like mine.

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It is in excellent shape. I have had high offers on it but will not sell. Only 438 made with the SLP option that year. How many do you think are left after 28 years?

Is it worth shooting 2 people to protect?
I don't think it is no matter how nice it is.