Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

[Lord of Planar]

Sadly, the "gangster lifestyle" has been perpetuated in movies and music for quite some time. Almost "romantically" picturing the gangsters dying in a hail of gunfire, as often as not with some beautiful girl crying over them as they pass away in their arms.

Crime should not be romanticized. Gangs should not be romanticized. Bring back romanticizing the good guys who only use guns as a last resort against the bad guys who use guns to take from, and/or harm others with intent.

This is so true, but it most certainly has an appeal to it. I even like watching them sometimes.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I grew up watching lots of shoot'em-up cowboy movies. While fun to watch, I remember thinking I'm so glad I don't live in that kind of society anymore, but instead in modern civil societies.

Oh well, I guess I was wrong...

It's all great until this goes wrong and an innocent bystander gets hit or the person attempting to intervene gets shot and killed.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Your question says more about you than any car thief, and none of it is good.

Your concern about trash is noted. Trash is meant to be thrown away if it cannot be recycled. Not put back on the streets.

So all theft should carry a death sentence? Yes or no?

Depends on the mitigating circumstances. But I have advocated that "first degree" crimes should have the perpetrators erased from society. Now make sure you know what a crime in the first degree is first, before you respond to that.

No, I wouldn't take your job spinning Trump away from you, or anyone.

This has nothing to do with Trump. This has to do with wanting a civil society. You have the sickness called TDS, since you make everything about him.

 

[MamboDervish]

People have the right to defend themselves when they perceive they are in danger.

I never argued otherwise.

It’s ludicrous to call that a capital offense when you know full well that’s not what it was.

And yet the right-wing-nut idol in the Oval Office publicly advocated having law enforcement shoot looters on sight. No arrest. No charges. No trial by jury. No prison. In short, NO RULE OF LAW! Where was the outcry from "conservatives"? Where was the criticism of Trump? I never heard it then, and still don't hear it now. To not condemn him for what he said amounts to tacit approval.

Trump calls for police to shoot shoplifters as they leave the store

Former President Donald Trump said his next administration would urge law enforcement to shoot shoplifters.

www.usatoday.com

Trump Said Shoplifters Should Be Shot, Part of a String of Violent Remarks (Published 2023)

Recent incendiary statements by the former president come at a time when his supporters are already angry over his indictments.

www.nytimes.com

Trump says thieves should 'fully expect to be shot'

Thefts at retailers in Atlanta and across the country have become so widespread that a former president is proposing a radical solution.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Absent any push back from the allegedly "law & order" right, it's perfectly appropriate to assume that, in the lofty land of Trumpistan, merely taking what isn't yours from a store would carry the death penalty. Either publicly condemn Trump for what he has said, or admit that you agree with it. You can't have it both ways without etching the word "HYPOCRITE" across your own forehead in capital letters.

No equivocation. No tap dancing. It's either one way or the other.

 

[MamboDervish]

Sadly, the "gangster lifestyle" has been perpetuated in movies and music for quite some time. Almost "romantically" picturing the gangsters dying in a hail of gunfire, as often as not with some beautiful girl crying over them as they pass away in their arms.

Crime should not be romanticized. Gangs should not be romanticized. Bring back romanticizing the good guys who only use guns as a last resort against the bad guys who use guns to take from, and/or harm others with intent.

?? My guess is, you'll have to write, produce and direct that movie yourself. Let me know when it opens.

 

[MamboDervish]

Your concern about trash is noted. Trash is meant to be thrown away if it cannot be recycled. Not put back on the streets.

Human beings are not trash. But I'm not surprised you would characterize them as such. Dehumanizing people is right out of the fascist playbook.

Depends on the mitigating circumstances. But I have advocated that "first degree" crimes should have the perpetrators erased from society. Now make sure you know what a crime in the first degree is first, before you respond to that.

This has nothing to do with Trump. This has to do with wanting a civil society.

There's absolutely nothing "civil" about the death sentence - especially for theft.

You have the sickness called TDS, since you make everything about him.

No I don't. But he makes himself front and center every time he opens his mouth, every single day. So one need not have any TDS to be constantly referencing him. It's his choice to be unavoidable. Get used to it.

 

[Moon]

I never argued otherwise.

And yet the right-wing-nut idol in the Oval Office publicly advocated having law enforcement shoot looters on sight. No arrest. No charges. No trial by jury. No prison. In short, NO RULE OF LAW! Where was the outcry from "conservatives"? Where was the criticism of Trump? I never heard it then, and still don't hear it now. To not condemn him for what he said amounts to tacit approval.

Trump calls for police to shoot shoplifters as they leave the store

Former President Donald Trump said his next administration would urge law enforcement to shoot shoplifters.

www.usatoday.com

Trump Said Shoplifters Should Be Shot, Part of a String of Violent Remarks (Published 2023)

Recent incendiary statements by the former president come at a time when his supporters are already angry over his indictments.

www.nytimes.com

Trump says thieves should 'fully expect to be shot'

Thefts at retailers in Atlanta and across the country have become so widespread that a former president is proposing a radical solution.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Absent any push back from the allegedly "law & order" right, it's perfectly appropriate to assume that, in the lofty land of Trumpistan, merely taking what isn't yours from a store would carry the death penalty. Either publicly condemn Trump for what he has said, or admit that you agree with it. You can't have it both ways without etching the word "HYPOCRITE" across your own forehead in capital letters.

No equivocation. No tap dancing. It's either one way or the other.

None of that has anything to do with this case, or does it justify your use of the term capital punishment regarding the shooting of the apparent thieves.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Human beings are not trash. But I'm not surprised you would characterize them as such. Dehumanizing people is right out of the fascist playbook.

There's absolutely nothing "civil" about the death sentence - especially for theft.

No I don't. But he makes himself front and center every time he opens his mouth, every single day. So one need not have any TDS to be constantly referencing him. It's his choice to be unavoidable. Get used to it.

What is your solution to stop people from harming others?

 

[MamboDervish]

None of that has anything to do with this case, or does it justify your use of the term capital punishment regarding the shooting of the apparent thieves.

Uh ... no. It has everything to do with the mindset of Trump supporters, among which VySky, the author of the OP, is, by any measure, an All Star member.

Your dodge has been noted. Do you or don't you condemn Trump for his words in my links?
"No equivocation. No tap dancing. It's either one way or the other."

 

[ataraxia]

What is your solution to stop people from harming others?

Eliminate poverty, better education, better job opportunities, better minimum wage, eliminate such massive disparities in wealth and poverty, get rid of military weapons on the streets in the hands of the public....

How Poverty Influences Crime Rates

In the 1993 science-fiction movie Demolition Man, a rebel named Edgar Friendly is leading a

vittana.org

Why do inequality and deprivation produce high crime and low trust? - PMC

Humans sometimes cooperate to mutual advantage, and sometimes exploit one another. In industrialised societies, the prevalence of exploitation, in the form of crime, is related to the distribution of economic resources: more unequal societies tend ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

www.nber.org

 

[MamboDervish]

What is your solution to stop people from harming others?

?? The Law! I don't expect people to obey the law if their government doesn't even obey the law.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Eliminate poverty, better education, better job opportunities, better minimum wage, eliminate such massive disparities in wealth and poverty, ....

How Poverty Influences Crime Rates

In the 1993 science-fiction movie Demolition Man, a rebel named Edgar Friendly is leading a

vittana.org

Why do inequality and deprivation produce high crime and low trust? - PMC

Humans sometimes cooperate to mutual advantage, and sometimes exploit one another. In industrialised societies, the prevalence of exploitation, in the form of crime, is related to the distribution of economic resources: more unequal societies tend ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That only removes an excuse. People who harm others physically or financially need to be dealt with. Since past practices have proven not to work, we need to make them fear committing the aggression to start with. make the penalty so great, that they do not commit the crime to start with.

 

[Lutherf]

If a gun was pulled on me, then I'd have no problem taking out my own and pulling the trigger, given the chance. But that totally belies the point I was making. Auto theft is not a capital offense.

Why do you keep ignoring the "armed" part when it comes to the kids?

 

[ataraxia]

That only removes an excuse. People who harm others physically or financially need to be dealt with. Since past practices have proven not to work, we need to make them fear committing the aggression to start with. make the penalty so great, that they do not commit the crime to start with.

What's wrong with trying to address the root reasons they commit those crimes in the first place?

 

[Lord of Planar]

?? The Law! I don't expect people to obey the law if their government doesn't even obey the law.

Excuses do not fly with me. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[Roadvirus]

13 year olds out stealing cars and pulling out a gun. SMH I do have to feel bad they were shot because they are very much children who obviously have no positive role models in their lives but hopefully this can be a wake up call to those young boys to straighten up their lives.

If suffering GSWs while committing a crime doesn't put them on the straight and narrow path, nothing will.

 

[ataraxia]

Why do you keep ignoring the "armed" part when it comes to the kids?

You're absolutely right. Getting rid of so many firearms on our streets and in public hands would help reduce crime too.

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

www.nber.org

 

[Lord of Planar]

What's wrong with trying to address the root reasons they commit those crimes in the first place?

Nothing. But all these decades later, we are worse off. Not better. It seems no amount of money can fix the problem.

What is your solution?

 

[ataraxia]

Nothing. But all these decades later, we are worse off. Not better. It seems no amount of money can fix the problem.

Violent Crime Is Falling Nationwide — Here’s How We Know

Preliminary FBI data, however imperfect, confirms a sharp downward trend in crime, undercutting attempts to blame criminal justice reform for pandemic-era spikes in violence.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Lord of Planar]

You're absolutely right. Getting rid of so many firearms on our streets and in public hands would help reduce crime too.

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

www.nber.org

It is too late. Only law abiding citizens would give up their gins, and they would not be able to protect themself against the criminals.

Criminals love the idea of gun control.

 

[Moon]

Uh ... no. It has everything to do with the mindset of Trump supporters, among which VySky, the author of the OP, is, by any measure, an All Star member.

Your dodge has been noted. Do you or don't you condemn Trump for his words in my links?
"No equivocation. No tap dancing. It's either one way or the other."

I don’t care what Trump said as it has nothing to do with the thread.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Violent Crime Is Falling Nationwide — Here’s How We Know

Preliminary FBI data, however imperfect, confirms a sharp downward trend in crime, undercutting attempts to blame criminal justice reform for pandemic-era spikes in violence.

www.brennancenter.org

I don't care about more of your silly propaganda. You are still too lazy to quote material to peak a persons interest to read.

 

[ataraxia]

I don't care about more of your silly propaganda. You are still too lazy to quote material to peak a persons interest to read.

Yes, we know you have no interest in anything which may challenge your existing views. It's called closed-mindedness. So carry on. Tell us more about those cat-eating Haitians. Now that's fun reading!!!

 

[Captain Adverse]

It is too late. Only law abiding citizens would give up their gins, and they would not be able to protect themself against the criminals.

Criminals love the idea of gun control.

The people who push gun control only want the government to have guns.

How well did that work out in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Communist China, Pol Pot's Kampuchea, and pretty much every other oppressive form of government in history?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Time to send them to live with their auntie and uncle in Bel Air......