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TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

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No problem.

Listen to this. "he had some of the story mixed up, and I said no problem, a lot of people do at this point."

This was what I heard, admittedly in passing.



Talk about "hyperbole" and "exageration".....


Lol self ownage is the best ownage Boo.
 

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Meanwhile, from the Daily Mail we have the complaints of TSA thugs who dislike spending their days groping the likes of Michael Moore and other obese passengers who have no concept of personal hygiene. Then comes one guy who figured out how to beat the system:

Meanwhile, one patient traveller has proved it is possible to bypass the high-level security measures in place at all airports, but only if you have time on your hands.

Blogger Matt Kernan recorded his epic experience as he returned to North Kentucky International Airport in Cincinnati from Paris on Sunday.

Exasperated at being told to prepare for a body scan and with time on his hands, the determined businessman decided to make a stand - with remarkable results.

Writing on his website noblasters.com, he said: 'I certainly don’t enjoy being treated like a terrorist in my own country, but I’m also not a die-hard constitutional rights advocate.

'However, for some reason, I was irked.'

'Maybe it was the video of the three-year old getting molested, maybe it was the sexual assault victim having to cry her way through getting groped, maybe it was the father watching teenage TSA officers joke about his attractive daughter.

'Whatever it was, this issue didn’t sit right with me. We shouldn’t be required to do this simply to get into our own country.'

As a result, Mr Kernan informed staff he did not want to go through the infamous Backscatter imaging machine.

He was told he would have to undergo an invasive pat-down search, but again politely told staff that he would consider any contact with his genital areas as assault.

After being told that the two options were TSA policy, he replied: ' I disagree with the policy, and I think that it is unconstitutional.

'As a US citizen, I have the right to move freely within my country as long as I can demonstrate proof of citizenship and have demonstrated no reasonable cause to be detained.'

As the situation escalated further airport police were called and more senior TSA officials but Mr Kernan refused to back down, remaining calm throughout.

Eventually causing a stand-off between police and TSA officers over who should resolve the situation, Mr Kernan was told by a superviser: 'Here’s what we’re going to do. I’m going to escort you out of the terminal to the public area.

'You are to stay with me at all times. Do you understand?'

He was then escorted by the police and no less than 13 TSA officer through security without a hand laid on him.

He said: 'And then came the most ridiculous scene of which I’ve ever been a part.

'I gather my things – jacket, scarf, hat, briefcase, chocolates.

'We walk over to the staff entrance and he scans his badge to let me through. We walk down the long hallway that led back to the baggage claim area. We skip the escalators and moving walkways.'

He was then waved away by annoyed officers and said: 'In order to enter the US, I was never touched, I was never “Backscatted,” and I was never metal detected.

'In the end, it took 2.5 hours, but I proved that it is possible. I’m looking forward to my next flight on Wednesday.'

The moral of the story: Illegitimi non carborundum (Don't let the bastards wear you down) -- with time and patience you can wear them down instead.
 

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From Spreadin' the glove: TSA infecting U.S.?, we also have a question regarding the hygiene of the TSA thugs which could provide further grounds for protest as we clog the system tomorrow.

Those latex gloves Transportation Security Administration agents wear while giving airline passengers those infamous full-body pat-downs apparently aren't there for the safety and security of passengers – only the TSA agents.

That's the word being discussed on dozens of online forums and postings after it was noted that the agents wear the same gloves to pat down dozens, perhaps hundreds, of passengers, not changing them even though the Centers for Disease Control in its online writings has emphasized the important of clean hands to prevent the exchange of loathsome afflictions.

"Herpes via latex glove ... ewwww," wrote one participant on the independence-minded AR15 website forum.

Responding to the question, "Does the TSA change latex gloves after each sexual assault?" another wrote on the same forum, "I seriously doubt it. Gloves are for their protection, not yours."
 

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Yes, that was one on me. Now, care to admit yours?



There is nothing to admit. The fact that you lied to try to make a point does not mean that all these complaints by these folks are exagerating as you claimed.


Sorry the fail boat only has room for you, hero.
 

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There is nothing to admit. The fact that you lied to try to make a point does not mean that all these complaints by these folks are exagerating as you claimed.


Sorry the fail boat only has room for you, hero.

Feeling up has a definition. As does fondling. As nothing done meets the defintions, there is something for you to admit. It's simple.
 

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Feeling up has a definition. As does fondling. As nothing done meets the defintions, there is something for you to admit. It's simple.




I'll admit your partisan hackery is a joke for all to behold, hero. :thumbs:


I'll also point out your cherry pickin and obsfucation is not going unnoticed.
 

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Boo, Allow me to ask you a couple of questions about this if I could?


1. You mentioned that people complaining of being groped were exaggerating their experiences with the TSA over this new policy of theirs, and I am just curious, would you also dismiss say one of your students complaints if she came to you with a complaint of a co worker groping her?

2. I understand that these new policies are in direct response to Obama getting criticized for the 'underwear bomber' last Christmas. However, why were such intrusive methods put into place before considering other forms of ramped up security?

3. This to me seems to be yet another tone deaf, heavy handed response from this administration toward the people he was elected to represent, while bending over backwards to accommodate groups like CAIR.

a. Why are we not focusing on International flights originating overseas coming here?
b. How many plots have been foiled on point to point flights within the US?
c. Why are the majority of Americans so willing to give up their 4th amendment rights in this case?

Answer these and we can proceed.

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TSA employee accused of kidnap, assault.

A TSA employee remained hospitalized today after being accused of kidnapping a young female in Atlanta, then taking her to his Hogansville residence and sexually assaulting her.

Yup. Those dedicated professionals at TSA, having undergone thorough background checks, would never ever, under any circumstances, take advantage of the travelling public. And any claims to the contrary must be lies and/or hyperbolic exaggeration. </sarcasm> :roll:
 

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Feeling up has a definition. As does fondling. As nothing done meets the defintions, there is something for you to admit. It's simple.

It takes one gram of PETN to blow a hole in the side of a commercial aircraft. Would these scanners have detected that? For that matter would a pat down? Remember this is one gram we are talking about.

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3. This to me seems to be yet another tone deaf, heavy handed response from this administration toward the people he was elected to represent, while bending over backwards to accommodate groups like CAIR.
I'm not so sure it's a case of bending over backwards, more like a case of forcing the entire country to grab their ankles and smile... :shock:
 

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I've asked the following a fefw times, in both threads prior to the merge, but nobody has answered. I find that very telling...

Does anyone have a link to stats on how many invasive pat-downs there have been recently (say 2 months), and to the number of complaints filed about said invasive pat-downs in that same time period? I'm curious to see if the percentage of complaints is high, mid-range, or fairly low. Anyone???

A high to mid-range percentage would indicate to me a problem, while a fairly low percentage would indicate to me an over-reaction of the public to a few cases.

PLEASE NOTE: I am not making a claim in either direction. I'm just asking if there are any actual numbers.
 

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I've asked the following a fefw times, in both threads prior to the merge, but nobody has answered. I find that very telling...

Does anyone have a link to stats on how many invasive pat-downs there have been recently (say 2 months), and to the number of complaints filed about said invasive pat-downs in that same time period? I'm curious to see if the percentage of complaints is high, mid-range, or fairly low. Anyone???

A high to mid-range percentage would indicate to me a problem, while a fairly low percentage would indicate to me an over-reaction of the public to a few cases.

PLEASE NOTE: I am not making a claim in either direction. I'm just asking if there are any actual numbers.


I don't think there are, and in any case they may not be released if it shows a high incidence of complaint from the public, particularly after Pistole (what a name), and Big Sis are so unwilling to review their procedures.

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It takes one gram of PETN to blow a hole in the side of a commercial aircraft. Would these scanners have detected that? For that matter would a pat down? Remember this is one gram we are talking about.

j-mac

Don't know. But I feel fairly certin not looking wouldn't. And I would argue that is not the entirity of what might be found.

However, that has nothing to do with what I'm objecting to.
 

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Ok folks.... Here comes the patented boo radley shuffle. In this instance he's going to pretend he didnt argue that all these folks were "overreacting" and "exagerating" to making it a semantics argument about "groping and fondling".....


Get your hip waders on folks it's about to get real deep up in here.
 

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It takes one gram of PETN to blow a hole in the side of a commercial aircraft. Would these scanners have detected that? For that matter would a pat down? Remember this is one gram we are talking about.

j-mac

Sometimes the interwebs frighten me... I just googled PETN, and the 3rd link is a complete guide to making it.
PETN synthesis.

However, I'm not extremely concerned with it's use by terrorists should they get 1 gram through a screening...

Pentaerythritol tetranitrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The most common use of PETN is as an explosive with high brisance. It is more difficult to detonate than primary explosives, so dropping or igniting it will typically not cause an explosion (at atmospheric pressure it is difficult to ignite and burns relatively slowly), but is more sensitive to shock and friction than other secondary explosives such as TNT or tetryl.[12][15] Under certain conditions a deflagration to detonation transition can occur.

...then I saw this part...
In August 2009, PETN was used in an attempt by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to murder the Saudi Arabian Deputy Minister of Interior Prince Muhammad bin Nayef, by Saudi suicide bomber Abdullah Hassan al Asiri. The target survived and the bomber died in the blast. The PETN was hidden in the bomber's rectum, which security experts described as a novel technique.[27][28][29]


...and this part, which is kind of contradictory...
Hans Michels, professor of safety engineering at University College London, told a newspaper that 6 grams (0.2 oz) of PETN "— around 50 times less than was used – would be enough to blast a hole in a metal plate twice the thickness of an aircraft's skin."[35] In contrast, an experiment designed to simulate Abdulmutallab's Christmas day bombing, using an actual Beoing 747 airplane, showed that even 80 grams of PETN is not sufficient to materially damage an airplane's fuselage.[36]
 

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I've asked the following a fefw times, in both threads prior to the merge, but nobody has answered. I find that very telling...

Does anyone have a link to stats on how many invasive pat-downs there have been recently (say 2 months), and to the number of complaints filed about said invasive pat-downs in that same time period? I'm curious to see if the percentage of complaints is high, mid-range, or fairly low. Anyone???

A high to mid-range percentage would indicate to me a problem, while a fairly low percentage would indicate to me an over-reaction of the public to a few cases.

PLEASE NOTE: I am not making a claim in either direction. I'm just asking if there are any actual numbers.

It's a good question:

A CBS News survey showed 81 percent of people polled approve of the use of full-body X-ray machines. A Washington Post/ABC News survey found nearly two-thirds of respondents in support. When it comes to the pat downs, respondents were practically split down the middle. Still 70 percent of Americans questioned in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said the new TSA rules made no difference in their decision to fly.

TSA complaints: Warranted outrage? Or all bark, no bite? – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Myth: Complaints about the pat-downs are extremely high.
Fact: Only a small percentage of the traveling public receives a pat down as they travel through the security checkpoint. Approximately 2 million people fly in the United States every day. The number of complaints is extremely low.

The TSA Blog

I'll keep looking but I haven't found anything that has actually counted them.
 

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Don't know. But I feel fairly certin not looking wouldn't. And I would argue that is not the entirity of what might be found.


And what do you suppose 'might be found' on Stewardesses? Disabled men with a urinary catheter? 3 year old American children? other than being terrorized by the intrusive, and traumatic methods being undertaken now to some?

Do you think that some person that possibly was abused either sexually, or otherwise may find this over the top?

Don't you find this a little much?

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Ok folks.... Here comes the patented boo radley shuffle. In this instance he's going to pretend he didnt argue that all these folks were "overreacting" and "exagerating" to making it a semantics argument about "groping and fondling".....


Get your hip waders on folks it's about to get real deep up in here.

reading skills are important. When I spoke of exaggerating and hyperbole, I always had as part of the fondling and the feeling up. Go back and read, and see that I even defined the words. Please, try to be somewhat honest.
 

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It's a good question:

A CBS News survey showed 81 percent of people polled approve of the use of full-body X-ray machines. A Washington Post/ABC News survey found nearly two-thirds of respondents in support. When it comes to the pat downs, respondents were practically split down the middle. Still 70 percent of Americans questioned in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said the new TSA rules made no difference in their decision to fly.

TSA complaints: Warranted outrage? Or all bark, no bite? – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Myth: Complaints about the pat-downs are extremely high.
Fact: Only a small percentage of the traveling public receives a pat down as they travel through the security checkpoint. Approximately 2 million people fly in the United States every day. The number of complaints is extremely low.

The TSA Blog

I'll keep looking but I haven't found anything that has actually counted them.


do you have the internals of the questions asked to come up with that 81% number being tossed out there by supporters of this crap?

I have heard that the question didn't match what the headline is, for example they asked if you felt increased security was needed in Airports. Nothing about Scanners or pat downs.

j-mac
 

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And what do you suppose 'might be found' on Stewardesses? Disabled men with a urinary catheter? 3 year old American children? other than being terrorized by the intrusive, and traumatic methods being undertaken now to some?

Do you think that some person that possibly was abused either sexually, or otherwise may find this over the top?

Don't you find this a little much?

j-mac

Have no idea, but I did see this:

White House: Terrorists Have Discussed Use of Prosthetics to Conceal Explosives

What would the passenger look like who had a prosethetics? And is it wise to universially exempt anyone? And I gave a link to a reasonable argument against children. I swear no one has even looked at it.

But those too are another argument. I think there is a valid argument to be made concerning who is most likely, and what critieria we should have for pulling people out of line. But we cannot say the proper procedure is fondling or feeling up or gropping.
 

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reading skills are important. When I spoke of exaggerating and hyperbole, I always had as part of the fondling and the feeling up. Go back and read, and see that I even defined the words. Please, try to be somewhat honest.




I wasn't the one caught in a lie, Boo. That was you, hero.
 

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do you have the internals of the questions asked to come up with that 81% number being tossed out there by supporters of this crap?

I have heard that the question didn't match what the headline is, for example they asked if you felt increased security was needed in Airports. Nothing about Scanners or pat downs.

j-mac

I hope you don't mind that you "heard" is not really enogh to be accepted as fact. I do know I heard a woman on TV this morning say she had no problem with it, and the question was at all vague.
 
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