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TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

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SAN DIEGO — John Tyner won't be pheasant hunting in South Dakota with his father-in-law any time soon.

Tyner was simultaneously thrown out of San Diego International Airport on Saturday morning for refusing to submit to a security check and threatened with a civil suit and $10,000 fine if he left.

And he got the whole thing on his cell phone. Well, the audio at least.

The 31-year-old Oceanside software programmer was supposed to leave from Lindbergh Field on Saturday morning and until a TSA agent directed him toward one of the recently installed full-body scanners, Tyner seemed to be on his way.

Tyner balked.


He also did something that may seem odd to some, manipulative to others but fortuitous to plenty of others for whom Tyner is becoming something of a folk hero: Tyner turned on his cell phone's video camera and placed it atop the luggage he sent through the x-ray machine.

He may not be the first traveler tossed from an airport for security reasons but he could well be the first to have the whole experience captured on his cell phone.

During the next half-hour, his cell phone recorded Tyner refusing to submit to a full body scan, opting for the traditional metal scanner and a basic "pat down" -- and then refusing to submit to a "groin check" by a TSA security guard.

He even told the guard, "You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested."

That threat triggered a code red of sorts as TSA agents, supervisors and eventually the local police gravitated to the spot where the reluctant traveler stood in his stocking feet, his cell phone sitting in the nearby bin (which he wasn't allowed to touch) picking up the audio.

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Once he threatened to have the TSA agent arrested though, events turned surreal.

(recorded exchange)...
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His father-in-law, a 40 year retired deputy sheriff can be heard pleading in the back ground for some common sense.

Two hours later he wrote the whole experience up on his blog and posted the audio files to YouTube.

You could say it has gone viral.

TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check - SignOnSanDiego.com

"You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested."

TSA. Testicle Seekers Association.

His blog:http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

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"You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested."

TSA. Testicle Seekers Association.

His blog:<Insert title here>: TSA encounter at SAN

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That's bull**** that they were trying to force him to come back and finish the screening process when the other supervisers and workers told him to leave.

TSA really shows what control and power freaks they can be even when it is their own fault.
 
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The guy's a total idiot. I hope they file a suit against him.

Then I don't suppose you would have signed the Declaration of Independence if you'd been around and asked to. They took more risk than this guy.
 

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The guy's a total idiot. I hope they file a suit against him.

Did you watch the video? If you have supervisors and workers telling you that you need to leave the screening area and then they tell you that because you listened to them you are subject to a $10,000 fine, how is the guy being the idiot?

The guy refused the screening process (his right to), they told him that he needed to leave the airport (which he was complying), and then they are the ones that are continuing the idiocy by telling him he needs to go back and complete the screening.

I hope the guy ends up suing TSA and winning.
 

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Then I don't suppose you would have signed the Declaration of Independence if you'd been around and asked to. They took more risk than this guy.

Did you watch the video? If you have supervisors and workers telling you that you need to leave the screening area and then they tell you that because you listened to them you are subject to a $10,000 fine, how is the guy being the idiot?

The guy refused the screening process (his right to), they told him that he needed to leave the airport (which he was complying), and then they are the ones that are continuing the idiocy by telling him he needs to go back and complete the screening.

I hope the guy ends up suing TSA and winning.

I learned a long time ago not to argue with coppers in the street. These people are the "next best thing." He's lucky he got his money back....nice of the airlines, actually, as I don't think he should have. TSA officers are doing their best to enforce very unpopular laws. They're doing it to keep us safe. If this jerk couldn't understand that and cut them a little slack, then he's an idiot. And I don't want him on my airplane.

I can see that they may have wanted to question him further. Guy with bomb in his underwear refuses to be patted down at the checkpoint. They send him on his way, and he blows up the Ticket Counter. We'd all be shouting, "JFG!!!! They had 'im at at the checkpoint and they let him go??????
 

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I learned a long time ago not to argue with coppers in the street. These people are the "next best thing." He's lucky he got his money back....nice of the airlines, actually, as I don't think he should have. TSA officers are doing their best to enforce very unpopular laws. They're doing it to keep us safe. If this jerk couldn't understand that and cut them a little slack, then he's an idiot. And I don't want him on my airplane.

It's not like he was trying to get out of a ticket. He has his first amendment rights.

I can see that they may have wanted to question him further. Guy with bomb in his underwear refuses to be patted down at the checkpoint. They send him on his way, and he blows up the Ticket Counter. We'd all be shouting, "JFG!!!! They had 'im at at the checkpoint and they let him go??????

Nothing short of cavity searches would stop a determined terrorist.
 

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TSA is getting totally out of hand. I had the pleasure of watching them one day in a very long line Hartsfield-Jackson. I wouldnt trust these people running a hotdog stand much less the country security. I watched Arab looking persons walk through without any troubles yet the blue hair, Vegas bound, losing the retirement money grampma gets hassled. And the black guy in a suit that gets pushed around by some fat black your babies momma being a bitch to this dude because he worked his ass off to be where he is at and her fatass is on some power trip making 10 bucks an hour!
 
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I learned a long time ago not to argue with coppers in the street. These people are the "next best thing." He's lucky he got his money back....nice of the airlines, actually, as I don't think he should have. TSA officers are doing their best to enforce very unpopular laws. They're doing it to keep us safe. If this jerk couldn't understand that and cut them a little slack, then he's an idiot. And I don't want him on my airplane.

I can see that they may have wanted to question him further. Guy with bomb in his underwear refuses to be patted down at the checkpoint. They send him on his way, and he blows up the Ticket Counter. We'd all be shouting, "JFG!!!! They had 'im at at the checkpoint and they let him go??????

I'll be in Chicago for a few days; I hope there aren't any TSA folks like this there.
 

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It's not like he was trying to get out of a ticket. He has his first amendment rights.

When he bought his ticket, he bought into TSA's rules and regs.

Nothing short of cavity searches would stop a determined terrorist.

Oh, yeah, right. You're forgetting Feet On Fire Abduhl and Loaded Briefs Al Asiri.
 

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TSA is getting totally out of hand. I had the pleasure of watching them one day in a very long line Hartsfield-Jackson. I wouldnt trust these people running a hotdog stand much less the country security. I watched Arab looking persons walk through without any troubles yet the blue hair, Vegas bound, losing the retirement money grampma gets hassled. And the black guy in a suit that gets pushed around by some fat black your babies momma being a bitch to this dude because he worked his ass off to be where he is at and her fatass is on some power trip making 10 bucks an hour!

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA officials and everything to do with our country's refusal to profile. They're doing their jobs. They probably think it's stupid, too. Give 'em a break.
 

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Nice to see people are FINALLY waking up to the government thugs that is the TSA. Its been long overdue to dissolve the TSA and let the airports handle their own security.
 

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When he bought his ticket, he bought into TSA's rules and regs.

He accepted the regulations and left. Which ones did he continue to break?

Oh, yeah, right. You're forgetting Feet On Fire Abduhl and Loaded Briefs Al Asiri.

Yeah, and they'll keep upping the ante until they have to do cavity searches on each passenger.
 

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That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA officials and everything to do with our country's refusal to profile. They're doing their jobs. They probably think it's stupid, too. Give 'em a break.

Racial profiling is mathematically a worse choice than random screening, strange as that may sound.
 

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He accepted the regulations and left. Which ones did he continue to break?

A TSA Supervisor wanted him to return to the checkpoint. Nuff said. TSA rules.

Yeah, and they'll keep upping the ante until they have to do cavity searches on each passenger.

Blame government regulations, not the poor guys who are enforcing them at risk of losing their jobs.

Can you show me where you sign away your rights when you buy a ticket on Orbitz? Maybe a screen shot?

You don't sign away your rights. When you purchase a ticket, you are legally bound to follow security procedures. If you don't, you don't get on the airplane. By law, it's part and parcel of flying. You don't have to submit to a search. They're not taking away your "rights." But if you don't voluntarily submit to a search, you don't fly. Last time I looked, "the right to fly" wasn't guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Screen shot?

Racial profiling is mathematically a worse choice than random screening, strange as that may sound.

I agree with you.
 

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You don't sign away your rights. When you purchase a ticket, you are legally bound to follow security procedures. If you don't, you don't get on the airplane. By law, it's part and parcel of flying. You don't have to submit to a search. They're not taking away your "rights." But if you don't voluntarily submit to a search, you don't fly. Last time I looked, "the right to fly" wasn't guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Screen shot?
No, purchasing a ticket doesn't "bind you" to security procedures, either. You're only bound to follow security procedures if you wish to access the gate, where a boarding pass is often but not always part of the screening process.

At no point in the process did this guy consent to follow security procedures. Not in purchasing his ticket, not in entering the airport, not in showing "intent" to board by getting in the security line. The first and only opportunity he had was when they were actually being performed. At that point he declined and there was NOTHING they could do about it because he was not "bound" or "required" in any way to submit.

The $10,000 threat is simply a scare tactic. Remember the guy in NJ that ducked under the security line, shut down the Terminal for six hours, delayed 100 flights, cancelled 27 and stranded 16,000 passengers? Total fine: $658 plus 100 hours of community service. That's for an actual breach.
 

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A TSA Supervisor wanted him to return to the checkpoint. Nuff said. TSA rules.

The guy returned his ticket, and left the agreement

Blame government regulations, not the poor guys who are enforcing them at risk of losing their jobs.

I'm not blaming the people doing their jobs, just the bs regulations.
 

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I can see that they may have wanted to question him further. Guy with bomb in his underwear refuses to be patted down at the checkpoint. They send him on his way, and he blows up the Ticket Counter. We'd all be shouting, "JFG!!!! They had 'im at at the checkpoint and they let him go??????
They didn't really have a choice, did they? He didn't break any laws.

Seriously, why treat this guy differently than any other person who refuses to submit to screening? Let's say the bomb wasn't in his underwear, but in a wine bottle. If they discover the bottle, sure they'll take it out - but you still have the option to leave the line and check your bag. Same goes for a knife. They may even point you to a convienent mailing station where you can send the blade to yourself.

TSA isn't really in the business of identifying who may be a potential threat.
 

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No, purchasing a ticket doesn't "bind you" to security procedures, either. You're only bound to follow security procedures if you wish to access the gate, where a boarding pass is often but not always part of the screening process.

At no point in the process did this guy consent to follow security procedures. Not in purchasing his ticket, not in entering the airport, not in showing "intent" to board by getting in the security line. The first and only opportunity he had was when they were actually being performed. At that point he declined and there was NOTHING they could do about it because he was not "bound" or "required" in any way to submit.

What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
 

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They didn't really have a choice, did they? He didn't break any laws.

He didn't intentionally break any laws. But when they wanted him to return to the checkpoint to complete "the process" and he refused, I'm not sure whether he broke the law or not. Are you? What authority does TSA have over someone? Can they hold them for questioning? Yes, of course, they can. They can summon the FBfreakin'I.

TSA isn't really in the business of identifying who may be a potential threat.

Just what are they in the business of doing?
 

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What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.

Explaining why this is wrong:

When he bought his ticket, he bought into TSA's rules and regs.

And why the thought of a $10,000 fine (and any probably any sort of lawsuit) is ridiculous.
 

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What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.

The problem, though, was this: He declined, tried to leave - as told - then told if he didn't then RETURN afte being told to leave he'd be slapped with a possible 10k fine or lawsuit.

Regulations my aching ass, this is incompetence at its core.
 
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