Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

[trumptman]

Slurp those boots.

You believe a liar and you support fascist behavior.

Own it and be proud.

Labels and name calling are all your ilk have left and it won't work.

There's no more gate keeping. There's no national news anchors feeding the public hand selected narratives snd tiny morsels of information.

You go onto X.com. You find the trending terms and watch the actual reality come in through thousands of people taking video on the location. You see the lack of love for the United States. You see the lawlessness.

The straw that had to break the camel's back was Kyle Rittenhouse. The national media narrative was assault rifles bought over a state border to hunt down and kill black people.

The reality, shown from stitched together media from dozens of sources showed pure and true self defense.

That's all ICE for the United States. It is self defense and the attempts of you and others to use the same tired tropes to deny reality won't work.

 

[trumptman]

"Democratic", not "Democrat". Get your insults correct. And it's a lie that the Democratic Party is insurrectionist. The January 6 insurrection (attempted coup d'état) was led by Trump, a Republican. He is lawless and pardoned all the Republican criminals. Don't forget that he is a felon himself.

Your tone policing is ridiculous and ignored. Your conclusions are ridiculous and delusional.

Go cry harder.

 

[BirdinHand]

Labels and name calling are all your ilk have left and it won't work.

There's no more gate keeping. There's no national news anchors feeding the public hand selected narratives snd tiny morsels of information.

You go onto X.com. You find the trending terms and watch the actual reality come in through thousands of people taking video on the location. You see the lack of love for the United States. You see the lawlessness.

The straw that had to break the camel's back was Kyle Rittenhouse. The national media narrative was assault rifles bought over a state border to hunt down and kill black people.

The reality, shown from stitched together media from dozens of sources showed pure and true self defense.

That's all ICE for the United States. It is self defense and the attempts of you and others to use the same tired tropes to deny reality won't work.

Do you wear your red hat when you go out in public on a regular basis? Do you fly a Trump flag at your house? How about a bumper sticker on your car?

If not, I suggest you do so.

Announce it loudly and proudly to everyone around you just how devoted you are to this administration.

 

[Atreus21]

Left wingers will sooner provoke a civil war than allow illegal immigrants to be deported.

I simply dont understand you guys.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Left wingers will sooner provoke a civil war than allow illegal immigrants to very deported.

I simply dont understand you guys.

Peacefully protesting in the street is not an insurrection. An insurrection is when you try to violently storm the Capitol Building to overturn an election.

LAPD officially described the protests as "largely peaceful, with no major incidents of violence." What's happening right now is Trump is trying to provoke violence by bringing in the military. The mayor and the governor do not want the U.S. military there. They are handling everything just fine.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I simply dont understand you guys.

The feeling is mutual.

I spent some time visiting right-wing websites/forums this morning to try and get a sense of where they're at. The foam-at-the-mouth responses from Trump supporters on right-wing spaces on the internet is very discouraging. I get the sense a significant fraction of them would be perfectly fine if the U.S. military killed every Democrat and every immigrant in the country.

I suppose we are now seeing the result of decades of anti-Democratic Party propaganda. You've been conditioned to see the Democratic Party as actual enemies of the U.S., and now we may now see the bloody consequence of that propaganda.

 

[Helix]

Small government conservatism.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Shortly after Musk threatened to release information he has regarding Trump and his connection to Epstein’s stable of underaged girls Trump went ballistic. Musk struck a nerve.

Democrats are now investigating the Epstein files turning up the heat on Trump. Within days ICE raids Paramount City in a very visible manner. The media quickly turns it into hot story with videos. Media attention refocuses on ICE in California and replaces the Epstein story.

ICE’s brute force in LA creates local citizen protest. Trump declares the Insurrection Act is necessary and takes control without request or approval from Newsome. SECDRUNK Hegseth puts Marines at Camp Pendleton on “high alert” and threatens to send them to LA or any place in the U.S. that needs military assistance in controlling civilians.

All coincidence or planned?

Meanwhile now that Trump has opened the fascist door might we see red states emboldened using National Guard? Could we see blue states threatened by Trump for organized public opposition to Trump fascist acts?

The big picture is becoming clear.

 

[Atreus21]

Peacefully protesting in the street is not an insurrection. An insurrection is when you try to violently storm the Capitol Building to overturn an election.

Assaulting federal officers is not peaceful. Throwing molotovs ag ice vehicles is not peaceful. You should watch some of the footage.

LAPD officially described the protests as "largely peaceful, with no major incidents of violence." What's happening right now is Trump is trying to provoke violence by bringing in the military. The mayor and the governor do not want the U.S. military there. They are handling everything just fine.

We've seen what largely peaceful left wing protests yield. And it's not largely peace. It's just more looting, destruction, and terror. This needs to stop.

 

[Atreus21]

The feeling is mutual.

I spent some time visiting right-wing websites/forums this morning to try and get a sense of where they're at. The foam-at-the-mouth responses from Trump supporters on right-wing spaces on the internet is very discouraging. I get the sense a significant fraction of them would be perfectly fine if the U.S. military killed every Democrat and every immigrant in the country.

I suppose we are now seeing the result of decades of anti-Democratic Party propaganda. You've been conditioned to see the Democratic Party as actual enemies of the U.S., and now we may now see the bloody consequence of that propaganda.

You can find such rhetoric from either side if you look. But we're not the ones setting Teslas on fire, arresting the political opposition leaders, or shooting at them.

The tendency to translate rhetoric into violence is, for the time being, very much a left wing problem. And no wonder: you guys insist youre fighting nazis and fascists.

 

[Questerr]

There is a good chance if these untrained National Guard troops start killing people.

Which is what Trump wants. The National Guard fire on protesters, LA erupts in riots, then Trump can declare martial law.

 

[dobieg]

Was there some mass pardon of those protestors in the Floyd riots who attacked police and went to jail that I missed?

Apparently you missed where the charges were 'dropped, dismissed or otherwise not filed' against thousands of BLM protesters even though these would have amounted to similar offenses as Jan 6 if not worse.

The Left doesn't give a shit about that. They're convinced the BLM protests were justified because it was a cause they supported.

The vast majority of citations and charges against George Floyd protesters were ultimately dropped, dismissed or otherwise not filed, according to a Guardian analysis of law enforcement records and media reports in a dozen jurisdictions around the nation.

Most charges against George Floyd protesters dropped, analysis shows

Some prosecutors and law enforcement observers say departments carried out mass arrests as crowd control tactic

www.theguardian.com

 

[Callen]

Once again you show the Left only cares about police injured during a Right wing protest while showing zero interests in the multiples of officers injured during Left leaning protests.

Police chief association releases number of officers injured nationwide during violent protests

More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured during protests, the report said.

www.wdrb.com

Not true. I have been very clear in my position on protests/ riots. Protesting, including minor civil disobedience, is fine but there is never, ever, ever an excuse for violence, destruction of property or harm to officers never, not ever . I am unequivocal about that. On the other hand I never hear the right denounce the violent attackers on Jan 6th. Much less their President who at a minimum allowed it to happen. I am NOT the hypocrite here.

Do you think the riots on Jan 6th were less violent that this? Do you think the NG should have been called in to quell the riots on the 6th? Do you think the harming of those police officers were no big deal? My disgust here is with Trump who for some reason perhaps you can explain to me thinks these events in LA are more egregious than an overt and violent attack on your Capitol?

 

[VanceMack]

One cant help but notice there are a lot of people waving flags from shithole countries they are really really really trying to avoid returning to.

 

[MTAtech]

It's not 1860. It's 2025.

Democrats still need their slaves.

They need them to do the work so cheap that they don't have to pay Americans.

They need the to be present for the census but not able to vote and not to demand actual delivery of services from Democrats.

They need them as a peasant class and cry racism to keep them in line.

Your posts are so incoherent that it's difficult to reply. However...
If Democrats need "them" to do work cheaply, why is it that Democrats are the only ones who ever propose raising the minimum wage and Republicans oppose it every time? Why is it that Democrats support labor unions and Republicans favor right-to-work? Why is it that Republicans continue effort to erode US child labor rules?

 

[Tangmo]

They will obey their chain of command. It's as simple as that. This idea that soldiers will refuse orders because they'll have some Eureka moment that what they're doing is somehow unconstitutional is a fantasy.

Over the years, I've heard/read some, including retired and active duty military, say things like they won't follow unconstitutional or illegal orders, but I think that's being naive to how people behave in the context of institutions and their power dynamics. Humans are social creatures. We're group conformists by nature, and since we moved out of the prairies and forests and into cities over these last 10,000 or so years, we've adapted in ways that incline us to operate within the power frameworks that form the basis of civilization.

In short, we're engineered to obey authority. I mean, sure, there are limits. It was soldiers who risked court martial to speak out against the massacres of Mai Lai and there were similar episodes in more recent conflicts, but generally speaking, we're creatures that do what the group does, and we give authority a lot of slack in many cases until we know that something is just way out of bounds.

Trump will say that he wants those protesters neutralized so that ICE can do its job. The Guard will impose a curfew if that doesn't happen. Hopefully, it doesn't go much beyond that, but it could.

The chain of command across the USA armed forces which are the officers in command know the laws of war and they know to disobey any order that is illegal and/unconstitutional. Officers are well versed in what's legal and what's moral -- what is illegal, unacceptable and unconstitutional, just as the NCO Corps is well versed and the grunts are informed.

You could or should have finished with your opening paragraph because the rest of your post makes a mess of it.

The USA armed forces are not going to obey any order to fire on unarmed civilians. And the refusal of any such order will be swift and firm when it comes from a madman bloodthirsty Generalissimo commander in chief as he heads out to a golf course.

I reiterate that your first paragraph says all that needs to be said because in the next paragraph your post works at trying to disparage "retired and active duty military" who say what I have posted about illegal orders to include the Constitution. Your first paragraph says all that needs to be said although I expand it by noting that with rare exception the forces in the ranks will obey their company commander, who obeys the battalion commander who obeys the regiment commander and so on further up the chain of command. Which is that you don't shoot your unarmed civilians on your own soil. Trump and the rest of his blood thirsty gang be damned.

 

[dobieg]

It wasn't a protest. It was an insurrection.

Lying about it doesn't change it.

January 6 U.S. Capitol attack, storming of the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, by a mob of supporters of Republican Pres. Donald J. Trump. The attack disrupted a joint session of Congress convened to certify the results of the presidential election of 2020, which Trump had lost to his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden. Because its object was to prevent a legitimate president-elect from assuming office, the attack was widely regarded as an insurrection or attempted coup d’état. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other law-enforcement agencies also considered it an act of domestic terrorism. For having given a speech in which he rallied supporters to storm the Capitol in a violent attack that threatened the certification of Biden’s victory, Trump was impeached by the Democratic-led House of Representatives for “incitement of insurrection” (he was subsequently acquitted by the Senate).

January 6 U.S. Capitol Attack | Background, Events, Criminal Charges, & Facts | Britannica

The January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was carried out in 2021 by a mob of supporters of President Donald J. Trump. After hearing Trump speak at a rally, they stormed the Capitol, disrupting a joint session of Congress convened to certify Joe Biden’s victory over Trump in the presidential...

www.britannica.com

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/stories/road-jan-6-year-extremist-mobilization/

The January 6 Attack was an Insurrection

Today is the third anniversary of the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol, intended to keep Donald Trump in power after he lost the 2020

reason.com

Have the guts to call it what is is.

It's shocking a leftist would use leftist sources to promote their batshit insane insurrection theories of random right wing protesters. It's shocking I tell ya.

 

[dobieg]

One cant help but notice there are a lot of people waving flags from shithole countries they are really really really trying to avoid returning to.

lololol


Too funny.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It's shocking a leftist would use leftist sources to promote their batshit insane insurrection theories of random right wing protesters. It's shocking I tell ya.

They were not protesters.

The FBI classified them as domestic terrorists.

Stop spewing MAGA bullshit.

 

[Callen]

It's shocking a leftist would use leftist sources to promote their batshit insane insurrection theories of random right wing protesters. It's shocking I tell ya

Dobieg, it isn't whether it was an insurrection or not, I think not, these people were simply useful idiots. The issue is that Trump who had the power, authority and means to call in the Guard did nothing to protect the Capitol. Doesn't that bother you?

 

[trumptman]

Your posts are so incoherent that it's difficult to reply. However...
If Democrats need "them" to do work cheaply, why is it that Democrats are the only ones who ever propose raising the minimum wage and Republicans oppose it every time? Why is it that Democrats support labor unions and Republicans favor right-to-work? Why is it that Republicans continue effort to erode US child labor rules?

So I understand that at this stage reality is incoherent to you and most Democrats. You're still the folks thinking the Hunter laptop was fake, that Joe was sharp.

Let me break it down simple for you.

Democrats propose utopia.
Democrats deliver hell on Earth.

That "disconnect" isn't voters acting against their own interests, or Trump lying or problems with "messaging". It's just the reality. Proposing is cheap. Delivering is hard.

Democrats don't deliver.

 

[Tangmo]

No, but there is an opportunity to cause escalation and declare Martial Law.

As I've pointed out in scrolling the Potus/C'nC has no authority either statutorily or in the Constitution for a federal martial law. The Potus has no martial law authority. Any governor can declare martial law, but the Potus has zero authority and no power to declare a federal martial law. The Founders were absolutely clear about placing this limitation on the powers of the office.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Here are some of the folks that the protestors are supporting.

Rolando Veneracion-Enriquez, a national of the Philippines who has prior convictions for sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape, and burglary, all in California.

ARMANDO ORDAZ, a Mexican national & known gang member with a convictions for sexual battery, receiving stolen property, and theft in Los Angeles.

VICTOR MENDOZA-AGUILAR, a previously deported Mexican national & known gang member with convictions for assault with a deadly weapon, and possessing drug paraphernalia.

DELFINO AGUILAR MARTINEZ, a Mexican national with a conviction for assault with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury in LA.



Going after those guys, I would probably have tactical backup as well.

 

[Ahlevah]

Story is just breaking, but I will add that this is exactly what I predicted more than a year ago.​

I predicted it, too as a response to unresponsive state and local governments letting leftist idiots destroy public property and obstruct federal agents trying to execute valid warrants.

 

[multivita-man]

The chain of command across the USA armed forces which are the officers in command know the laws of war and they know to disobey any order that is illegal and/unconstitutional. Officers are well versed in what's legal and what's moral -- what is illegal, unacceptable and unconstitutional, just as the NCO Corps is well versed and the grunts are informed.

You could or should have finished with your opening paragraph because the rest of your post makes a mess of it.

The USA armed forces are not going to obey any order to fire on unarmed civilians. And the refusal of any such order will be swift and firm when it comes from a madman bloodthirsty Generalissimo commander in chief as he heads out to a golf course.

I reiterate that your first paragraph says all that needs to be said because in the next paragraph your post works at trying to disparage "retired and active duty military" who say what I have posted about illegal orders to include the Constitution. Your first paragraph says all that needs to be said although I expand it by noting that with rare exception the forces in the ranks will obey their company commander, who obeys the battalion commander who obeys the regiment commander and so on further up the chain of command. Which is that you don't shoot your unarmed civilians on your own soil. Trump and the rest of his blood thirsty gang be damned.

Sorry, bud, there's just too much human history that says otherwise. I certainly think there are limits to what individual commanders and soldiers would do, but this is eventually going to get out of control. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but eventually. Trump and Hegseth have been firing top brass lately, presumably to find replacements who are willing to play ball.

A few years ago, I posted somewhere else that you can fire a secretary, a director, or a general, but you can't fire a culture. They didn't understand that during Trump's first term in office, but they figured it out before taking power in January, and we're seeing that now. They're changing the culture of the military. It won't happen overnight, but it's happening, just like it's happening in other federal agencies.

This does not have a happy ending, I'm afraid.