Trump says changes are coming to ICE raid policy: 'We must protect our farmers

[ttwtt78640]

Political pull seems the only answer I can come up with.

That’s nonsense, since there are for more illegal alien workers employed in construction than in agriculture.

GDP by Industry | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

www.bea.gov

 

[anatta]

Well . . . not so fast, buckaroo! According to WaPo, sources inside the WH are saying "Policy change? What policy change?" Nobody but Trump knows anything about any policy change.

Trump has this annoying habit of saying whatever will temporarily appease the person with a problem that he caused.

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans

 

[ttwtt78640]

since I brought it up.
The fact Americans will do those other jobs, although hospitality relies mor on immigrants
And while field work is increasingly mechanized there are still needs for workers, and Americans won't work the fields

I’m tired of the assertion that “US workers won’t do X” since there is no industry which has illegal aliens as the majority of their employees (labor force). There are far more illegal aliens employed in construction or hospitality than in agriculture.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.

www.statista.com

 

[anatta]

I’m tired of the assertion that “US workers won’t do X” since there is no industry which has illegal aliens as the majority of their employees (labor force). There are far more illegal aliens employed in construction or hospitality than in agriculture.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.

www.statista.com

actual numbers are impossible to find.. great swings in values

 

[Rogue Valley]

Just imagine if Trump had instructed ICE to do what he told the public they were going to do i.e. go after the rapists, murderers and violent criminals. But of course Trump lied again and thought he could get more personal glory from telling ICE to go after maximum numbers instead, so Trump could brag about it. Then under pressure to reach Trumps numbers, and knowing they can't reach them if only targeting the nasty criminals, ICE of course go after the low hanging fruit such as farm workers and other workers who are easy to find. So now Trump makes a new Taco to appease all the businesses that are suffering. Yet the suffering was 100% predictable and known to be a real issue. But Trump is so damn dumb and self absorbed that he couldn't even see that coming. So, like so many other Trump things, we get a economically damaging Taco instead of a well thought out plan.

^^^
This

Hispanics are a significant part of the work force in animal processing, field agriculture, construction of all types, cleaning services, forestry/logging, food preparation, the hospitality industry, transportation, healthcare, mineral extraction, etc.

 

[ttwtt78640]

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans

That (bolded above) assertion must include at the current level of compensation offered. Employers (job creators?) offer the level of compensation required to attract and retain qualified labor and illegal aliens are willing to accept less compensation than US citizens and have fewer employers willing to hire them.

The median annual wage for agricultural workers in the US was $35,980 in May 2024. This means that half of the agricultural workers earned more than this amount, and half earned less. The highest 10% earned more than $48,970, and the lowest 10% earned less than $30,830.

The average annual pay for restaurant workers in the United States is around $35,595.

Lower paid US citizen workers can get lots of assistance from numerous “safety net” programs, thus they will generally take the easiest (and closest to home) jobs available offering similar pay (about $17/hour in the above examples).

 

[Variant]

That’s nonsense, since there are for more illegal alien workers employed in construction than in agriculture.

GDP by Industry | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

www.bea.gov

The question was why they were being treated differently. Do you have a better answer?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Hispanics/Latinos are the largest ethnic group in the State of California with 15.6 million people (39.4%).

47.7% of New Mexico is Hispanic. Texas (39.3%) will be majority Hispanic/Latino probably by 2028.

Other states with a significant Hispanic/Latino population - Arizona 30.5%, Nevada 28.7%, Florida 26.5%, New Jersey 21.6% New York 19.5%, Illinois 18.2%

There are ~64 million Hispanic/Latino ethnics in the USA or 20% of the total population. Hispanics account for ~71% of the total US population growth.

The US will become minority white in 2045. The majority will consist of people of color.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The question was why they were being treated differently. Do you have a better answer?

There’s no evidence that they are. Using a brief nugget of (recent?) TrumpSpeak as an indication of policy (change?) is ridiculous.

 

[mike2810]

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans

Trump should have thought about the workforce for farmers and hotels when he came out with his EO.

The work that "illegals" do in agriculture, hotels, etc. has been known for decades.

 

[Variant]

There’s no evidence that they are. Using a brief nugget of (recent?) TrumpSpeak as an indication of policy (change?) is ridiculous.

Seems to me that Ice raids are indeed focused on liberal population centers.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Seems to me that Ice raids are indeed focused on liberal population centers.

That’s not where most agricultural workers will be found.

It’s been guesstimated that illegal aliens are about 10% of the workforce in LA. Having ICE go where they’re more apt to encounter illegal aliens (like ‘sanctuary states/cities) is common sense.

 

[Variant]

That’s not where most agricultural workers will be.

That's the point. I'm saying that Trump may want to go easy on farming because it's done where his political support comes from.

You'll also probably notice that people who routinely employ illegal aliens won't br bothered.

 

[ElChupacabra]

TACO is Taco'ing again!!!

\And now he's back tracking AGAIN!

So now he's not going after farm workers??? What's the matter, Taco?

Trump says changes are coming to ICE raid policy: 'We must protect our farmers'

President Donald Trump is reversing course on his immigration raid policy when it comes to farm workers, he announced on Truth Social on Thursday.

abc7.com

FRESNO, Calif. -- President Donald Trump is reversing course on his immigration raid policy when it comes to farm workers, he announced on Truth Social.

"Our great farmers and people in the hotel and leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long-time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace," Trump wrote. "...We must protect our farmers, but get criminals out of the U.S.A. Changes are coming!"

According to the U.S. Agriculture Department, 42% of crop farmworkers from 2020 to 2022 lacked legal status.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom said the change is happening because Californians spoke up. "Keep it going. Keep it peaceful. It's working," he wrote on X.

In a post on social media, Newsom shared a story about a 12-year-old boy he met in Oxnard, California whose parents had been taken by agents. They had been working the fields for over 20 years.

"Donald Trump may not care about him, but he's finally listening to you calling out these indiscriminate acts of cruelty," Newsom said. "Let's keep up the pressure, and let's do it peacefully."

....and hotel workers! Don't forget the hotel workers.

 

[Kelby]

Trump is caving....again?

Why the hell does this nincompoop-in-chief not know basics re issues before he acts on them?

Trump doesn't learn from mistakes because he never makes them.

QED

 

[ttwtt78640]

That's the point. I'm saying that Trump may want to go easy on farming because it's done where his political support comes from.

You'll also probably notice that people who routinely employ illegal aliens won't br bothered.

It’s also a teeny tiny percentage of (total) illegal alien workers.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.

www.statista.com

 

[TangoNoCash]

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans

He just now got it when months ago everyone said this is exactly what would happen. No more stable genius' for president please.

 

[MTAtech]

Well . . . not so fast, buckaroo! According to WaPo, sources inside the WH are saying "Policy change? What policy change?" Nobody but Trump knows anything about any policy change.

Trump has this annoying habit of saying whatever will temporarily appease the person with a problem that he caused.

Trump doesn't make policy. Steven Miller writes the policies and the EOs. They then put the EOs in front of him to sign. Trump sometimes asks, 'what am I signing?'

 

[Lursa]

Yep, what exactly makes illegal alien agricultural workers any more ‘essential’ than illegal alien construction, automotive repair or hospitality workers?

You really need the answer to that?

Not only that, few Americans will take those ag jobs at any pay (within reason).

 

[Brusan]

I’m tired of the assertion that “US workers won’t do X” since there is no industry which has illegal aliens as the majority of their employees (labor force). There are far more illegal aliens employed in construction or hospitality than in agriculture.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.

www.statista.com

You need to actually travel extensively within your country to view that issue first hand. Without that experience, reading any stats published by your various agencies is just a waste of time.

The illegal impact is felt most emphatically by various states and regions and also those areas where the demand for certain types of services provided cheaply are predominant.

An example would be the various interstate highways with commercial truck fueling and service centers that any commercial driver would readily tell you, you can't avail of ANY provided service without an undocumented worker providing it.

Another good example would be the Imperial Valley agriculture area with those field workers that stand in the boiling sun all day redirecting channels of irrigation water a few rows of cabbage at a time, uncounted thousands of those as well as the pickers, packagers, warehouse workers, shippers, semi- spotters for DelMonte, all running like rabbits out the back doors whenever the green striped Suburbans come anywhere near them.

How was any of that going on for the decades of NAFTA and CUSMA indicative of "fair trade" when any U.S. business's from aggra to manufacturing was benefitting mightily from the far cheaper wage rates afforded to American commerce?

We will now be subject to whining from all sectors as to how they cannot survive without having access to those cheaper labourers which merely serves to confirm they shouldn't have existed in the first place, certainly not in producing any exported product within a free trade agreement.

The GOP screaming about "FAIR" trade is the quintessential irony of the ages.

 

[Lursa]

since I brought it up.
The fact Americans will do those other jobs, although hospitality relies more on immigrants
And while field work is increasingly mechanized there are still needs for workers, and Americans won't work the fields

It's been tried. Americans dont take the agricultural jobs no matter what the pay (within reason.)

Too bad you're not up to speed on this stuff, I guess it's too 'nuanced'.

 

[MTAtech]

Yep, what exactly makes illegal alien agricultural workers any more ‘essential’ than illegal alien construction, automotive repair or hospitality workers?

Nothing. That's what makes Trump's deportation policy so stupid. It deports people contributing to society and the economy.

Effects of the Immigration Surge on the Federal Budget and the Economy​

The increase in immigration boosts federal revenues as well as mandatory spending and interest on the debt in CBO’s baseline projections, lowering deficits, on net, by $0.9 trillion over the 2024–2034 period (see Table 1).

 

[Michael Cole]

Nuanced policy due to supply of critical labor, (farm workers are critical, if underpaid) I especially like seeing Trump amend his
previous policy to protect farm workers

Yes, chasing farmworkers through the fields lacks nuance.

 

[Lursa]

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans

Wow, and you're a mind reader too?

 

[Lursa]

Trump should have thought about the workforce for farmers and hotels when he came out with his EO.

The work that "illegals" do in agriculture, hotels, etc. has been known for decades.

Esp since he has had to deal with immigration policy in his first term