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Trump Launches War On Iran

ElChupacabra said:
That's a lot of assumptions considering Iran makes money from its oil sales.


The government doesn't have to do it, since the people in Tehran witnessed it themselves.


Yep, right now the image of them being a powerful player in the region has taken a massive hit, though at the end of the day, the country and its military are still there as are their proxies even thought they're in a weakened state, Western nations have the military advantage, but what hasn't changed in the Middle East is that has yet to effectively solve the issues there.
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the only way to solve Iran is to get rid of it's regime. It's especially dangerous as it's goal is the appearance of the Hidden Iman (apocalyptic)
If it doesn't topple, it won't be anywhere near the threat it was when Israel started to go after it's proxies

Twelver Shiism is the largest of the Shia Islam sects and is mainly practiced in Iran. They adhere to the teachings of the first 12 imams whom they believe were directly descended from the Prophet Muhammad. The Twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Hassan, is a
messianic figure who is also called the ''Hidden Imam.
 
phoenix2020 said:
Incorrect, there are plenty of people who disagree with me whom I do not regard as a MAGA.

MAGA refers to those like yourself who have sworn total loyalty to Donald, will never cross him, will never cross their fellow soldiers, and will spend the entirety of their energy devoted to demonizing or villainizing his enemies. The ones whose only reaction on a thread like this is "but Biden!" You know, someone such as yourself.
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What a strangely child-like post.

I have never even voted for the man.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So you should think we should wait till we're attacked? So let Iran create a nuclear weapon and then drop it on us?

That's better than stopping them before they get the chance?
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Simpleton analysis - and it's all the war hawks can spread on msm. These were not the only two outcomes.

Now it's altogether too bad these actions are the most likely to encourage countries to independently develop nukes of their own. That is the only way to guarantee we Americans won't bomb their shit.
 
Surrealistik said:
Of course, the neocons and pro-Zionist diehards in both parties are going to straight up love this; for them it's always been Israel first, not America.

We can only hope it doesn't escalate into yet another multi-trillion dollar disaster of a ground war and occupation we can't afford.
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Maybe if you all wish hard enough for "yet another multi-trillion dollar disaster of a ground war and occupation we can't afford.", you might get your wish.
It seems to be what you are hoping for so you can say, "I told you so".
 
jaypatriot said:
You have to wonder how many more oil refineries, oil storage facilities, missile launchers, aircraft, and military bases can Iran afford to lose if they dare to rain missiles on any American assets in the Middle East.
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Sounds like the US should have thought about that before it decided to carry out an act of war against Iran.

The Iranians have no reason not to hit as many American assets as they feel like.
 
jaypatriot said:
You have to wonder how many more oil refineries, oil storage facilities, missile launchers, aircraft, and military bases can Iran afford to lose if they dare to rain missiles on any American assets in the Middle East.
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But if you believe they are religiously driven, none of that matters. What if an internal alliance war in Iraq breaks out and the war becomes Iran+Iraq vs. Israel/US? Iran + Iraq would be able to do a ground invasion of Israel and in order to stop it, US would need to go all in.
 
marduc said:
You are the "left"? I have been wondering who this enigmatic entity that so many people have been lashing out against continually.

I presume you embody and exemplify every single slander and ignorant assumption that is prejudicually assigned to the vague enemy that is the "left"?
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That's all water off a duck's back
No holds barred
They set 'em up
We knock 'em down
All in a day's work
 
Linuxcooldude said:
How many decades has a smart President found a way?
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Read the whole conversation instead of ignorantly inserting yourself halfway. And no, I am not going to do it for you. Be best.
 
ClaraD said:
What are you going to do when they set off a dirty bomb in DC or even Texas
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I'm going to feel sorry for the people impacted.
But I won't feel sorry for the Iranian regime if it is determined Iran was responsible.
They could lose millions for such an act.
 
jaypatriot said:
I would prefer to see people on U.S. streets celebrating a great strategic move.
Notice I wrote "U.S. streets".
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Nobody even knows the results yet of this beyond the administration declaring "success" - why are you so blindly & quickly willing to parrot the propaganda?
 
primaryKey said:
Simpleton analysis - and it's all the war hawks can spread on msm. These were not the only two outcomes.

Now it's altogether too bad these actions are the most likely to encourage countries to independently develop nukes of their own. That is the only way to guarantee we Americans won't bomb their shit.
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Exactly.
 
jaypatriot said:
Maybe if you all wish hard enough for "yet another multi-trillion dollar disaster of a ground war and occupation we can't afford.", you might get your wish.
It seems to be what you are hoping for so you can say, "I told you so".
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Putting aside that this escalation via bombing is bad enough already, that's certainly what many among the Republicans are apparently hoping for; at least those who haven't been utterly disappointed by Trump as an 'anti-war' president.

Everyone else is, by contrast, explicitly hoping we avoid such escalation.
 
Phys251 said:
So much for your Dear Leader keeping us out of new wars. :rolleyes:
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IN less than four years from now you can vote against JD Vance.
In less than two years the Dems losing party could have a chance to impeach Trump for doing what he did today.
But only if they win back the House.
 
jaypatriot said:
I want Trump to succeed because the Iranian quest for a bomb should not be allowed to happen.
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Well that's where the "Art of the deal" was supposed to come in and save the day, no? The interesting thing here is both the IAEA and US intelligence were not convinced Iran was working towards one, so this notion of it being a threat came solely from the nutter whose been preaching this since the 90s. He was the very same person who testified before Congress regarding Saddam Hussein that "there is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons." Not so much apparently.

jaypatriot said:
You obviously do not understand the importance of destroying Iran's capacity to develop nuclear weapons. If you did you would be cheering Trump's actions instead of vilifying him.
But, then again, I understand the insidious power of Trump Derangement Syndrome and how it can cloud the judgment of those with seemingly half a brain.
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This is quite daft in that you think I am in favor of Iran developing a nuclear weapon, which is an assumption on your part. I have no issue with Iran having the ability to enrich uranium for civilian energy use under supervision from agencies like the IAEA as we had under the JCPOA. A negotiated agreement like we had which Trump walked away from and was trying to revive was what I supported.

Having the Israelis launch an attack while the US was up to that point trying to negotiate was an idiotic way to handle it that was clearly not what the US planned considering the amount of time it took to join the fray. It's not whatever idiot syndrome you claim it is, but the abject stupidity of this entire thing and what it signals to not only Iran, but other nations considering arming themselves with nuclear weapons.
 
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jaypatriot said:
IN less than four years from now you can vote against JD Vance.
In less than two years the Dems losing party could have a chance to impeach Trump for doing what he did today.
But only if they win back the House.
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cool story bro
 
ClaraD said:
Yes and we are not trusted by Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or Russia
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Mexico's and Canada's trust might be restored once we have our own regime change by electing a more sensible and neighborly president. Venezuela will stay on the outs as long as they remain a DeFacto socialist dictatorship. The Russians are so xenophobic they don't trust anybody.
 
anatta said:
the only way to solve Iran is to get rid of it's regime.
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the only way to solve USA is to get rid of it's regime

That thought is pervasive both globally and domestically. Now exacerbated exponentially.
 
jaypatriot said:
IN less than four years from now you can vote against JD Vance.
In less than two years the Dems losing party could have a chance to impeach Trump for doing what he did today.
But only if they win back the House.
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Right now we're talking about your boy tRump's idiotic decision to attack Iran. Not elections that need for World War III not to happen.
 
I'm curious what the intel was that justified the bombings. How close was/is Iran to a nuclear weapon? If imminent I think the bombings are justified, Iran cannot have a nuke. If it's just Trump trying to project some kind of political strongman tactic then it's all grandstanding and unjustified.
 
Surrealistik said:
Putting aside that this escalation via bombing is bad enough already, that's certainly what many among the Republicans are apparently hoping for; at least those who haven't been utterly disappointed by Trump as an 'anti-war' president.

Everyone else is by contrast, is explicitly hoping we avoid such escalation.
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I have not been disappointed by Trump as president.
I, too, hope we avoid escalation because if Iran retaliates, a lot more Iranian lives will be lost in that pitiful country.
 
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