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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from new tariffs

Can MAGAs explain something to me?

I was under the impression that Trump is implementing these tariffs to basically force manufacturing to return to the States.

How exactly, then, is he able to use these tariffs to negotiate with when their permanence is the driving impetus to bring manufacturing back to the states? What business in their right mind is going to start investing in building manufacturing here, investing millions and taking years, for many risking their entire futures, when Trump is using the very thing that is forcing them to do so as leverage, necessitating that he must be able to lift them at any moment a deal is made and in doing so remove any motivation for companies to build factories here? How can any business owner hold any degree of confidence?

Gotta say, this “Art Of The Deal” stuff is all very confusing to me. 🤔
 
Xilnik said:
It's all so backwards. We used to be the ones with cutting-edge research, and now we're heavily dependent on China. I feel like industries moving overseas made us way too complacent. I agree with the need to move things back here, but we should have planned that starting with Trump's first term and be nearly 10 years into a larger strategy.
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Trump was not only dealing with Democrats during his first term, he was also dealing with Republicans in both the House and Senate who resented his being chosen over the other 17 established Republicans from both houses of Congress he ran against.

Xilnik said:
Instead, it's impulsive decision after impulsive decision causing chaos in the economy.
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Trump is not being impulsive. :rolleyes: He is using a tool in the power to set tariffs to both negotiate fairer trade agreements and to compel other "dependent" nations to comply with various policies to improve American Industry and trade. For example, his insistence on the EU nations to buy energy from the USA.

None of this is impulsive, he knows what he is doing.
 
Valley Isle Ohana said:
Can MAGAs explain something to me?

I was under the impression that Trump is implementing these tariffs to basically force manufacturing to return to the States.

How exactly, then, is he able to use these tariffs to negotiate with when their permanence is the driving impetus to bring manufacturing back to the states? What business in their right mind is going to start investing in building manufacturing here, investing millions and taking years, for many risking their entire futures, when Trump is using the very thing that is forcing them to do so as leverage, necessitating that he must be able to lift them at any moment a deal is made and in doing so remove any motivation for companies to build factories here? How can any business owner hold any degree of confidence?

Gotta say, this “Art Of The Deal” stuff is all very confusing to me. 🤔
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This the same guy who told PA he would bring back steel in a big way in 2016. PA is still waiting. Trumps mindset is 30 years too late.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Trump is not being impulsive. :rolleyes: He is using a tool in the power to set tariffs to both negotiate fairer trade agreements and to compel other "dependent" nations to comply with various policies to improve American Industry and trade. For example, his insistence on the EU nations to buy energy from the USA.

None of this is impulsive, he knows what he is doing.
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Captain Adverse said:
Trump is not being impulsive. :rolleyes: He is using a tool in the power to set tariffs to both negotiate fairer trade agreements and to compel other "dependent" nations to comply with various policies to improve American Industry and trade. For example, his insistence on the EU nations to buy energy from the USA.

None of this is impulsive, he knows what he is doing.
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He is a moron. He has no idea what he's doing. The exemption proves it.
 
Captain Adverse said:
None of this is impulsive, he knows what he is doing.
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No, he does not.

This is a man that has to have defense briefings broken down into simple bullet point presentations. It has often been reported he quickly looses interest in things when the talk gets into the weeds of detail. He envisions himself as "A Grand Idea Man" but he cannot lead effectively and compensates for this by only placing sycophants into his admin, where his thoughts will not be challenged.

He does not have the mind for complexity.

So he backed off on tariffs for cell phones, chips and laptops. What will be his move if China puts a export duty on these items equal to the import tariffs tRump has placed on the rest of China's output?
 
Valley Isle Ohana said:
Can MAGAs explain something to me?

I was under the impression that Trump is implementing these tariffs to basically force manufacturing to return to the States
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That is only one purpose, and even then, that is focusing on what he considers critical areas, like steel for construction purposes, motor vehicles of all kinds for transportation purposes, computer chips to ensure there are no trojan horse techs that can affect their security. Things like that.

Valley Isle Ohana said:
How exactly, then, is he able to use these tariffs to negotiate with when their permanence is the driving impetus to bring manufacturing back to the states?
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That is not the only purpose. The other purpose is FAIR trade. For one example, selling cars in the European Market where Germany has both high tariffs on American cars as well as Value Added Taxes (VAT's) on them. This places the costs of buying an American car outside the range of the average German citizen. This is done to protect the German car sales.

But the USA had none of those placed on German cars shipped to the USA for sale. Just standard sales taxes.

Valley Isle Ohana said:
What business in their right mind is going to start investing in building manufacturing here, investing millions and taking years, for many risking their entire futures, when Trump is using the very thing that is forcing them to do so as leverage, necessitating that he must be able to lift them at any moment a deal is made and in doing so remove any motivation for companies to build factories here? How can any business owner hold any degree of confidence?
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That is NONSENSE, and completely opposite of what is occurring. If the foreign producer builds a factory in the USA to make the products, then aside from normal sales taxes (which apply regardless of tariffs) there are no tariffs because the cars are made in the USA. The profit for the Car company is increased due to this.

Valley Isle Ohana said:
Gotta say, this “Art Of The Deal” stuff is all very confusing to me. 🤔
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Clearly, but IMO only due to two things. Your failure to actually research the situation including the history leading up to this, and your preexisting confirmation bias indicating a negative view of President Trump. IMO you are "indoctrinated" to expect only evil from him.

Those of us who voted for him see him keeping the promises he's made as best he is able.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Taylor, honestly, do you think Trump is handling the tariff stuff well? What's your honest opinion?
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Needless to say the only responses you were going to get was that (a) he’s handling it brilliantly (b) something about the left or (c) radio silence. I guess we know which one.
 
Captain Adverse said:
None of this is impulsive, he knows what he is doing.
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Trump is providing us with a real-world demonstration of why authoritarianism is bad for business.

Liz Truss tried something almost as nutty as Trump's tariffs, but the UK's parliament, unlike the Republican-held Congress, was strong enough and sane enough and independent enough to stand up to her and cancel her stupid, radical plan.
 
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