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Re: Trump argument bolstered: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study
Here are some slightly better assessments of this supposed study.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-non-citizens-voting/?utm_term=.3ced2c9ff472
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420
As it turns out the entire study is more likely explained simply by misreporting by people in the poll. There's a whole other study on how often people in polls of this size tend to give inaccurate answers to questions.
There's so many ifs, buts, maybes, and hopefullys needed to justify this study there's really no way you can rely on it at all. Voting by non-citizens in the United States is illegal, therefore there is really no way to study it with any reliability.
In fact I would argue that if I was a non-citizen who some how managed to vote in a federal election I wouldn't tell anybody about it even in an anonymous poll because I wouldn't want anybody realizing it happened and looking into it. What actually seems more likely to me is that a bunch of Republicans just lied and claimed they weren't citizens hoping to influence the poll to justify increasing laws that make it harder to vote.
Realistically about the only way a non-citizen could get away with voting is if they had some really good fake documents that allowed them to get past the screening process for registration. If that's the case they're not going anywhere anyway so you might as well let them have a say.
Just think about it logically for one second. Why on earth would someone risk getting caught committing a felony just to influence a federal election by 1 vote, when that election is almost certainly going to be won by thousands and thousands of votes? You're basically risking prison for no gain whatsoever. If you're seriously trying to illegally rig an election you need to be able to do something that adds thousands of votes to your sides total. The idea of individuals committing crimes like this intentionally is just absurd.
I mean 60% of the country that does have the legal right to vote won't even go through the minimal effort of voting because they don't think their vote matters.
https://fs.wp.odu.edu/jrichman/2016...argin-of-trumps-popular-vote-loss-to-clinton/
January 24, 2017.
Which is not to say that Trump is right or wrong, but rather that maybe there is something to the idea that a significant number of illegal votes are being cast.
Here are some slightly better assessments of this supposed study.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-non-citizens-voting/?utm_term=.3ced2c9ff472
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420
As it turns out the entire study is more likely explained simply by misreporting by people in the poll. There's a whole other study on how often people in polls of this size tend to give inaccurate answers to questions.
There's so many ifs, buts, maybes, and hopefullys needed to justify this study there's really no way you can rely on it at all. Voting by non-citizens in the United States is illegal, therefore there is really no way to study it with any reliability.
In fact I would argue that if I was a non-citizen who some how managed to vote in a federal election I wouldn't tell anybody about it even in an anonymous poll because I wouldn't want anybody realizing it happened and looking into it. What actually seems more likely to me is that a bunch of Republicans just lied and claimed they weren't citizens hoping to influence the poll to justify increasing laws that make it harder to vote.
Realistically about the only way a non-citizen could get away with voting is if they had some really good fake documents that allowed them to get past the screening process for registration. If that's the case they're not going anywhere anyway so you might as well let them have a say.
Just think about it logically for one second. Why on earth would someone risk getting caught committing a felony just to influence a federal election by 1 vote, when that election is almost certainly going to be won by thousands and thousands of votes? You're basically risking prison for no gain whatsoever. If you're seriously trying to illegally rig an election you need to be able to do something that adds thousands of votes to your sides total. The idea of individuals committing crimes like this intentionally is just absurd.
I mean 60% of the country that does have the legal right to vote won't even go through the minimal effort of voting because they don't think their vote matters.