Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

[RetiredAtLast]

Most recent example is his importing of (only) White South Africans.

Another example of leftist ignorance.
White South African farmers have been killed recently, probably because of past injustices toward Blacks. Nevertheless, they are being murdered. Trump allowed 59 of them to have refuge here.

Now, think for just a minute or two. If there is killing going on, by one group towards another, would you bring the group doing the killing to your home for protection?

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats keep saying that, but they don't know why it doesn't make sense.

Actually, there's a very good reason why it is true. Trump is relying entirely on removals, not returns at the border because those started trickling down about a year ago.

That's both untrue and dumb. But I guess it doesn't matter to people who call law enforcement officers, "Gestapo," and encourage them being shot.

Maybe ICE should stop acting like the Gestapo.

Democrats will see to that, won't you?

No, their own actions will.

I've expressed sympathy for this man's cause, and said that I hope his appeal comes out well for him.

Yet you keep rationalizing what was done to him.

Why? Or does that matter to you?

Well, I can tell you why. Because the first time Trumpenfuhrer was befouling the White House with his leaky diapers, he let Steven Miller dismantle the apparatus for resolving asylum cases. So the process that usually took months now takes years.

I'm not going to question or justify any of that, but the subject(s) of those 200 pages should tell you why all that was necessary.

Nope. The only document that should have been necessary was our marriage certificate.

That statement tells me that you don't know jack.

Nope, scratch a MAGA, find a racist.

Your post convinces me that you don't know that. If someone says it, you believe it, and say it to everyone who'll listen to you.

I've brought up a bunch of cases that you just try to rationalize.

Here's another one. Hey, this one's white, you might even feel empathy.

Danish Dad-of-Four Arrested by ICE Is Denied Bail, Wife Says

Savannah Eriksen said she is grateful he was not deported in his first court appearance since being detained on April 15.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Nickyjo]

Several people have also reported and commented that the moon is made of green cheese.

Trump has said that the priority is criminals AND people who are under Orders of Deportation. You know, the people who have been to immigration court. The ones who have had their Due Process? Some of them, years ago.
- So why is he raiding Home Depot’s and farm fields?
That just makes me wonder who published the flyer you're probably quoting from.

I worked roughly 20 years in the field evaluating thousands of asylum claims, writing opinions on scores of them, speaking to immigration judge conventions, visiting and writing reports on immigrant detention, participating in the training of immigration personnel, and was flown to Guantanamo by the US to see how migrants detained were being treated and processed. My comments are based on my experience. I composed my own flyers.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Actually, there's a very good reason why it is true. Trump is relying entirely on removals, not returns at the border because those started trickling down about a year ago.

???

Maybe ICE should stop acting like the Gestapo.

The Gestapo didn't care if one had committed a crime, or been adjudicate by a court. Besides, if ICE were acting like the Gestapo, you might well be dead by now.

No, their own actions will.

"Their own actions" are setting up an ambush with semi-automatic weapons at a Border Patrol office in Texas, or shooting an officer at another office. You're responsible for that. Your Congress people are the ones saying that "blood may be necessary."

Yet you keep rationalizing what was done to him.

That's not rationalizing. That's finding out the facts, instead of just accepting, and shouting about, whatever his advocates say. They don't tell you he jumped bail. They don't tell you he had a gun offense. And you don't want to know.

Well, I can tell you why. Because the first time Trumpenfuhrer was befouling the White House with his leaky diapers, he let Steven Miller dismantle the apparatus for resolving asylum cases.

Well, that explains why you had so much trouble, and it's not Miller's fault.

Nope. The only document that should have been necessary was our marriage certificate.

And that says you didn't have any idea what you were getting into.

Nope, scratch a MAGA, find a racist.

Scratching you proves that you don't really know anything. You just vomit back whatever the Party tells you. Sad, that.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

My comments are based on my experience.

Your experience must have been several years ago, before Biden allowed 12 million un-vetted people into the country. Did you learn, in your experience, how many people simply ignored Orders of Removal? In your experience, what was done about those people?

 

[poppopfox]

Democrats keep saying that, but they don't know why it doesn't make sense.

But you do?

That's both untrue and dumb. But I guess it doesn't matter to people who call law enforcement officers, "Gestapo," and encourage them being shot.
Democrats will see to that, won't you?

Bloviation, hyperpartisan BS. Be better than the Magats you identify with, if that's possible.

 

[poppopfox]

Scratching you proves that you don't really know anything. You just vomit back whatever the Party tells you. Sad, that.

Sad that.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

But you do?

Somewhat, but definitions get a bit muddy. It seems that Biden counted people turned away at the border as "deportations," and, of course, Trump has only been in office for 6 months. And whatever Biden did on the exit side pales into insignificance compared to the 12 million or so he let in.

Bloviation, hyperpartisan BS. Be better than the Magats you identify with, if that's possible.

And I would suggest that you be more selective about whose comments you defend.

 

[poppopfox]

Somewhat, but definitions get a bit muddy. It seems that Biden counted people turned away at the border as "deportations," and, of course, Trump has only been in office for 6 months. And whatever Biden did on the exit side pales into insignificance compared to the 12 million or so he let in.

And I would suggest that you be more selective about whose comments you defend.

How authiritarian of you. A Maga quality I presume.

 

[Nickyjo]

Your experience must have been several years ago, before Biden allowed 12 million un-vetted people into the country. Did you learn, in your experience, how many people simply ignored Orders of Removal? In your experience, what was done about those people?

Indeed it was mostly several years ago professionally, ending in 2001. But in 2018 I worked on the border, where under Trump the immigration service let in plenty of people, under much the same process Biden used.

I have no idea how many people ignored orders of removal, as most often such people I interacted with were in custody.

But let’s face facts: On the one hand, Biden appeared to try, however imperfectly, to adhere to US obligations towards asylum seekers, which is in obvious tension with the right of the US to control its borders. On the other hand, we have a president, who now as in his first term, cannot be bothered with the law, treaties, or precedent.

As to allowing the unvetted into the US, as I have posted before, Trump did much the same thing as Biden when I volunteered on the border in 2018.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

authiritarian

Ah, the latest Dem word: authoritarian. Did you ever notice how one word or phrase makes it's way throughout the leftist groupthink population? (Even if they can't spell it?) It's right up there with oligarchy, and Threat to Democracy and Gestapo.

 

[Nickyjo]

Ah, the latest Dem word: authoritarian. Did you ever notice how one word or phrase makes it's way throughout the leftist groupthink population? (Even if they can't spell it?) It's right up there with oligarchy, and Threat to Democracy and Gestapo.

Nah, “fascist” fits Trump better.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

under much the same process Biden used

What process? Catch and release?

On the one hand, Biden appeared to try, however imperfectly, to adhere to US obligations towards asylum seekers, which is in obvious tension with the right of the US to control its borders.

Biden did nothing to facilitate or expedite the review of claims for asylum. All he did with respect to the total flood of immigrants was to complain that he could do nothing in the absence of major, "comprehensive," legislation. Clearly, that was incorrect.

On the other hand, we have a president, who now as in his first term, cannot be bothered with the law, treaties, or precedent.

Obviously, that's merely political opinion which, if considered, is shown to be untrue.

As to allowing the unvetted into the US, as I have posted before, Trump did much the same thing as Biden when I volunteered on the border in 2018.

How, then do you account for 300,000 to 400,000 "encounters" in 2017 and 2018 and even 800,000 in 2019 compared with 2+ million per year during the Biden administration? Could the difference have anything to do with Biden promising a "moratorium" on border enforcement or suggesting that migrants surge the border during his campaign?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Nah, “fascist” fits Trump better.

Sorry, that's last month's word. Do try to keep up.

 

[Nickyjo]

Sorry, that's last month's word. Do try to keep up.

Rapist?

 

[JoeB131]

I noticed that Retired at last skipped right over the part about the Danish Dad who was arrested for failing to file paperwork in 2017 after his son died in a stillbirth.

The Gestapo didn't care if one had committed a crime, or been adjudicate by a court. Besides, if ICE were acting like the Gestapo, you might well be dead by now.

Why would that be? Do you think the Gestapo started out killing everyone?

"Their own actions" are setting up an ambush with semi-automatic weapons at a Border Patrol office in Texas, or shooting an officer at another office. You're responsible for that. Your Congress people are the ones saying that "blood may be necessary."

Wow, don't you right wing gun nuts say the reason why you need military-grade weapons is so you can fight an oppressive government. You know, you shitheads say this every time some maniac mows down a bunch of preschoolers with a weapon designed for war. Right after you mumble something about thoughts and prayers.

So people are actually using these weapons to fight back against an oppressive government, and you are soiling your panties.

Um... "Thoughts and Prayers".

That's not rationalizing. That's finding out the facts, instead of just accepting, and shouting about, whatever his advocates say. They don't tell you he jumped bail. They don't tell you he had a gun offense. And you don't want to know.

None of these PETTY offenses are justification to deport a man who TOOK A BULLET FOR THIS COUNTRY. They should have handed him his citizenship papers right after they gave him his Purple Heart.

70 Million Americans have some kind of police record. (I don't, but 70 million others do). Getting into trouble with the law once should not ruin your life.

Well, that explains why you had so much trouble, and it's not Miller's fault.

Um, yeah it kind of is. If the system hadn't been as screwed up as it is, she'd have probably gotten permanent residency years ago. I wouldn't even need to have sponsored her.

And that says you didn't have any idea what you were getting into.

Why should I have to get into ANYTHING? It should not be this hard for something this simple.

 

[AZRWinger]

According to the charges brought by the right, he's a human trafficker...shouldnt we seek justice?

Prosecutorial discretion. The Biden regime simply looked the other way because prosecutions of illegal aliens would expose the consequences of their open borders policy. Trump administration prosecutors chose to focus on criminals remaining in the US rather than someone who had been deported.

The Trump administration complied with the SCOTUS order to affect his return and then treat him as if he hadn't been deported to El Salvador. Democrats having invested significant political capital creating a romantic image of a Maryland dad out of a human trafficking, wife beating, gang member were incensed that he isn't above the law.

 

[Airyaman]

 

[RetiredAtLast]

I noticed that Retired at last skipped right over the part about the Danish Dad who was arrested for failing to file paperwork in 2017 after his son died in a stillbirth.

No, I didn't. I addressed it beginning in #126

Why would that be? Do you think the Gestapo started out killing everyone?

Everyone? Of course not. Just whoever they wanted to. Later, of course, they played a key role in the Holocaust.

Wow, don't you right wing gun nuts say the reason why you need military-grade weapons is so you can fight an oppressive government.

You'll have to ask a "right-wing gun nut," if you can find one. You won't find one who has ambushed federal officers, as your friends encourage.

You know, you shitheads say this every time some maniac mows down a bunch of preschoolers with a weapon designed for war.

If you're going to lie, at least make it plausible.

So people are actually using these weapons to fight back against an oppressive government, and you are soiling your panties.

Sounds an awful lot as if you think killing federal officers is OK. Do you?

None of these PETTY offenses are justification to deport a man who TOOK A BULLET FOR THIS COUNTRY. They should have handed him his citizenship papers right after they gave him his Purple Heart.

If you'd pull your head out, you'd recall that I am sympathetic to him. Your anger now seems to be because I bothered to find out WHY his case is in doubt, instead of just accepting your ignorance about it. That just demonstrates how libs don't think, they just feel.

70 Million Americans have some kind of police record. (I don't, but 70 million others do). Getting into trouble with the law once should not ruin your life.

Except for major crimes, it doesn't. Multiple crimes might, though.

Why should I have to get into ANYTHING? It should not be this hard for something this simple.

It isn't. Maybe you f**ked up. Your attitude makes it seem likely.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

You don't find the administration's focus on this one legal immigrant to be a tad psychotic?

The administration isn't focused on this one individual. The Democrat Party is.
The Administration is focused on tens of thousands of criminals and people with Orders to leave the country.

 

[Lursa]

Prosecutorial discretion. The Biden regime simply looked the other way because prosecutions of illegal aliens would expose the consequences of their open borders policy. Trump administration prosecutors chose to focus on criminals remaining in the US rather than someone who had been deported.

The Trump administration complied with the SCOTUS order to affect his return and then treat him as if he hadn't been deported to El Salvador. Democrats having invested significant political capital creating a romantic image of a Maryland dad out of a human trafficking, wife beating, gang member were incensed that he isn't above the law.

You're agreeing with me? Great. I do agree that they should charge him if they have the evidence.

 

[Nickyjo]

The administration isn't focused on this one individual. The Democrat Party is.
The Administration is focused on tens of thousands of criminals and people with Orders to leave the country.

Yes, which is why they are detaining legal immigrants with no criminal charges against them and refused to bring Garcia back despite a court order. Then of course, there were the phony tattoos on his fingers and charging him with trafficking. But yes, democrats are solely focused on this one guy, not the never-vindictive Trump.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Yes, which is why they are detaining legal immigrants with no criminal charges against them and refused to bring Garcia back despite a court order

The USSC sent the lower court order back. Do try to keep up.

and charging him with trafficking

He'll be tried for that based on evidence stated in the affidavit or indictment. That's how the law works.

But yes, democrats are solely focused on this one guy

Yep, even to the extent of taking junkets to El Salvador, accomplishing nothing except a photo op for Dem politicians. You must be SO proud!

 

[Nickyjo]

The USSC sent the lower court order back. Do try to keep up.

He'll be tried for that based on evidence stated in the affidavit or indictment. That's how the law works.

Yep, even to the extent of taking junkets to El Salvador, accomplishing nothing except a photo op for Dem politicians. You must be SO proud!

I am proud of fellow democrats who believe in the law, which had granted the guy withholding of removal to El Salvador.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

I am proud of fellow democrats who believe in the law, which had granted the guy withholding of removal to El Salvador.

You're proud of showboaters, who accomplished nothing, on your dime. Doesn't take much, does it?