Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

[Nickyjo]

You're proud of showboaters, who accomplished nothing, on your dime. Doesn't take much, does it?

What is wrong with highlighting an injustice done to someone granted protection by the US government??

 

[Nickyjo]

You're proud of showboaters, who accomplished nothing, on your dime. Doesn't take much, does it?

Yes. Again, how is highlighting an injustice mere showboating? Were the Supreme Court Justices showboating when they told Trump to bring the guy back?

To be fair, however, you can obviously argue that neither Trump nor republicans ever showboat.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

What is wrong with highlighting an injustice done to someone granted protection by the US government??

Nothing. What's wrong is taking taxpayer money to move a crowd to El Salvador (plane fare, hotels, meals ) for nothing more than a photo op.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Again, how is highlighting an injustice mere showboating?

Can't he "highlight" from D.C.?

Were the Supreme Court Justices showboating when they told Trump to bring the guy back?

Well, first, they didn't. And second, what they did, they did from their offices in D.C.. Third, there were no TV cameras there.

To be fair, however, you can obviously argue that neither Trump nor republicans ever showboat.

Of course they do. Does that make it OK?

 

[ClaraD]

I-130 has to do with the status of an adopted child, not citizenship for a person married to a citizen. I think you mean a form N-400.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-400.pdf

It's a form for a Permanent Resident, a status Abrego-Garcia lost in 2019.

A question on that form asks,
"Have you EVER
Advocated (supported and promoted) any of the following, or been a member of, involved in, or in any
way associated with any group anywhere in the world that advocated any of the following:
The unlawful damage, injury, or destruction of property;"
Another question is
"Have you EVER ordered, incited, called for, committed, assisted, helped with, or otherwise participated in any of the following:
Intentionally and severely injuring or trying to injure any person?"
And
"Were you EVER a part of any group, or did you EVER help any group, unit, or organization that used
a weapon against any person, or threatened to do so? "

You get the point. Besides which he has had the opportunity in the past to submit that form, but hasn't bothered to. That says to me that he really didn't want to be a US citizen.

No, I 130 is for an immediate relative including spouses of US citizens.

 

[AZRWinger]

You're agreeing with me? Great. I do agree that they should charge him if they have the evidence.

Garcia has already been charged. It was necessary to effect his return per the SCOTUS order.

The issue is Garcia's potential deportation should he be released on bail. If he stays in jail, he won't be deported but will be prosecuted. If he's out on bail, it's doubtful he'd be prosecuted from wherever he is deported.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

No, I 130 is for an immediate relative including spouses of US citizens.

OK. An I-130 is for an alien relative that wants a green card. An I-400 is for naturalization.

In the situation where an alien relative wants to visit this country with the intent of applying for a green card, the I-130 is the correct form.

In the situation in which someone wants a spouse who is an alien to become a citizen by virtue of being married to a citizen, the I-400 is the correct form.

 

[ClaraD]

OK. An I-130 is for an alien relative that wants a green card. An I-400 is for naturalization.

In the situation where an alien relative wants to visit this country with the intent of applying for a green card, the I-130 is the correct form.

In the situation in which someone wants a spouse who is an alien to become a citizen by virtue of being married to a citizen, the I-400 is the correct form.

No, not visit..a tourist visa or a B2 visa is appropriate for that you don’t visit and then apply that’s a violation of visitor visa rules.

 

[Nickyjo]

Nothing. What's wrong is taking taxpayer money to move a crowd to El Salvador (plane fare, hotels, meals ) for nothing more than a photo op.

It helped accomplish the objective sought, a measure of justice for the man. You have no other government spending to be outraged at?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

It helped accomplish the objective sought, a measure of justice for the man.

No, it didn't. He's still in jail and will stay there until 3 days before he's deported to some other country. Maybe So. Sudan?

You have no other government spending to be outraged at?

Sure. And the administration is hard at work on that.

 

[Nickyjo]

No, it didn't. He's still in jail and will stay there until 3 days before he's deported to some other country. Maybe So. Sudan?

Sure. And the administration is hard at work on that.

The courts will have their say on the man, but I fear for him in light of Trump’s vindictiveness. Again, the US granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador, a designation that requires a higher standard of proof than asylum.

Good to know that you might like the idea of sending the guy to Sudan, a disaster human rights-wise. Since I am an American patriot, who as a child could see the Statue of Liberty from my home in Brooklyn, I believe in what the statue stands for, liberty and the rule of law. Trump obviously doesn’t believe in these things, so Garcia may have his life at risk thanks to Donald’s pettiness. After all, he made the Dear Leader look bad.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Good to know that you might like the idea of sending the guy to Sudan, a disaster human rights-wise.

Nah, I don't much care where they send him. Somewhere that he can deal with the language would be best.

Since I am an American patriot, who as a child could see the Statue of Liberty from my home in Brooklyn, I believe in what the statue stands for, liberty and the rule of law.

Good. And the law says he can't stay here.

Trump obviously doesn’t believe in these things,

WRONG. It's not Trump that's trying to keep him here in spite of the law. That's you.

so Garcia may have his life at risk thanks to Donald’s pettiness

Why? Has Garcia made that many people around the world hate him?

After all, he made the Dear Leader look bad.

Nope. Garcia has just let the world know that he's a wife beater, one of the lowest scum in the pond.

 

[JoeB131]

Everyone? Of course not. Just whoever they wanted to. Later, of course, they played a key role in the Holocaust.

Yes, too bad no one opposed them before they started building Dachau. Now we see Miller and Trump building a concentration camp in the Everglades.

You'll have to ask a "right-wing gun nut," if you can find one. You won't find one who has ambushed federal officers, as your friends encourage.

Really? People are STILL trying to make David Koresh into a martyr for shooting at ATF Agents. 30 years later.

Sounds an awful lot as if you think killing federal officers is OK. Do you?

Oh, no. It's terrible. I'll be in mourning for at least five minutes. Six, tops.

If you'd pull your head out, you'd recall that I am sympathetic to him. Your anger now seems to be because I bothered to find out WHY his case is in doubt, instead of just accepting your ignorance about it. That just demonstrates how libs don't think, they just feel.

No, sympathy is opposing an injustice, not trying to rationalize it.

Except for major crimes, it doesn't. Multiple crimes might, though.

Nope. Nothing this guy did was a violent offense, the only person he was hurting was himself. What they are doing to him is truly Kafka-esque.

It isn't. Maybe you f**ked up. Your attitude makes it seem likely.

Nope. In fact my lawyer complimented me on how well organized the paperwork I submitted was (11 years in the army, the one thing I learned was how to do meaningless paperwork), and the green card was approved in record time.

It was all the BS before that where her asylum application sat in someone's inbox for years because Human Reptile Miller dismantled large chunks of USCIS to discourage asylum seekers. It actually had the opposite effect. People heard that it would be years before they got a resolution and filed frivilous claims.

 

[Nickyjo]

Nah, I don't much care where they send him. Somewhere that he can deal with the language would be best.

Good. And the law says he can't stay here.

WRONG. It's not Trump that's trying to keep him here in spite of the law. That's you.

Why? Has Garcia made that many people around the world hate him?

Nope. Garcia has just let the world know that he's a wife beater, one of the lowest scum in the pond.

Human rights are not rewards for good behavior. Trump has rights despite molesting women.

The law has said that Garcia can stay here; that’s why the court unanimously asked that he be returned. The law is not finished with him, however, so his eligibility to remain may be canceled, and presumably he could be removed. The main factor affecting his fate may not be the letter of the law, however, but Big Baby Trump having looked bad and wanting revenge.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Yes, too bad no one opposed them before they started building Dachau. Now we see Miller and Trump building a concentration camp in the Everglades.

The difference is that people will get out of Alligator Alcatraz, some within a very short time, others will remain while an accepting country is found. If you think that "concentration camp" is anything at all like the Nazi concentration/death camps, you must be very young.

Really? People are STILL trying to make David Koresh into a martyr for shooting at ATF Agents. 30 years later.

And you would make folk heroes of people who kill ICE and CBP agents.

No, sympathy is opposing an injustice, not trying to rationalize it.

Intelligence is knowing the circumstances before one just accepts the Party line.

Nope. Nothing this guy did was a violent offense, the only person he was hurting was himself. What they are doing to him is truly Kafka-esque.

Got it! Only violent offenses count as law violations. I started out feeling sorry for this guy, but you're convincing me to just let him stay in So. Korea.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Human rights are not rewards for good behavior.

There is no "human right" to illegally take up residence in this country.

The law has said that Garcia can stay here; that’s why the court unanimously asked that he be returned.

The law only said that he could stay here until he was deported to some country other than El Salvador. The law says that as soon as he gets out of his present jail, he'll be deported.

The main factor affecting his fate may not be the letter of the law, however, but Big Baby Trump having looked bad and wanting revenge.

His fate will be determined by the law, your sick hatred of Trump notwithstanding.

 

[Nickyjo]

There is no "human right" to illegally take up residence in this country.

The law only said that he could stay here until he was deported to some country other than El Salvador. The law says that as soon as he gets out of his present jail, he'll be deported.

His fate will be determined by the law, your sick hatred of Trump notwithstanding.

Read the Refugee Act of 1980. I have problem per se with people taking up residence illegally being deported. But some on the right (and I am sure there are some on the left as well) either want to pretend ignorance of the law, honestly don’t know the law, or perhaps more likely, have difficult either grasping or accepting that there is tension between a country’s right to control entry by foreigners and say, the US obligations under the Refugee Act and the three relevant Senate-ratified treaties that guarantee the rights of refugees.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Read the Refugee Act of 1980.

I've read it. As the title implies, it deals with refugees, asylum seekers.
During the Biden years of 2021, 2022 and 2023, 9.08%, 9.09% and 9.1% of asylum seekers were granted asylum in the US. From some countries it was as low as 1%.
What;s your point?

 

[JoeB131]

The difference is that people will get out of Alligator Alcatraz, some within a very short time, others will remain while an accepting country is found. If you think that "concentration camp" is anything at all like the Nazi concentration/death camps, you must be very young.

The original Nazi plan wasn't to exterminate them, either. It was to round them all up and eventually cart them off to Palestine, until the War made that impossible.

And you would make folk heroes of people who kill ICE and CBP agents.

Even ICE doesn't like what they are doing.

Inside the ICE offices where pressure has become ‘mission impossible’

‘Morale is in the crapper,’ one former agent said

www.the-independent.com

Despite Trump casting a bright light on the immigration enforcement agency, the reality inside ICE offices is very dark. With high expectations, shifting priorities and a heightened fear of losing their job, morale is low and the pressure is high, officials told The Atlantic.

“It’s miserable,” a career ICE official told the magazine, characterizing the task as “mission impossible.”

There’s a notable shift in priorities from trying to keep the nation safe to being quota-driven, some officials said. “No drug cases, no human trafficking, no child exploitation,” a veteran agent told The Atlantic. “It’s infuriating.” The agent is considering quitting rather than having to continue “arresting gardeners.”

Not that I feel any sympathy for them. I put them up with the Nazis who were "Only Following Orders">

Got it! Only violent offenses count as law violations. I started out feeling sorry for this guy, but you're convincing me to just let him stay in So. Korea.

Please don't pretend your thinking in this case ever went beyond, "Well, he's not white!"

 

[JoeB131]

I've read it. As the title implies, it deals with refugees, asylum seekers.
During the Biden years of 2021, 2022 and 2023, 9.08%, 9.09% and 9.1% of asylum seekers were granted asylum in the US. From some countries it was as low as 1%.
What;s your point?

Yes, that's the problem. Because the aslyum machinery was busted up by the Human Reptile and his Orange Fuhrer, there's no one to hear these cases, so millions of people wereleft in Limbo.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

The original Nazi plan wasn't to exterminate them, either.

Odd then, isn't it, that it was always referred to as The Final Solution? Did the initial construction include the gas chambers as actual showers so weary travelers could refresh themselves?

Even ICE doesn't like what they are doing.

Oh, well then, killing them is OK.

Please don't pretend your thinking in this case ever went beyond, "Well, he's not white!"

Please don't pretend that you think beyond your TDS.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Yes, that's the problem. Because the aslyum machinery was busted up by the Human Reptile and his Orange Fuhrer, there's no one to hear these cases, so millions of people wereleft in Limbo.

The rest were rejected, not left in limbo.

 

[JoeB131]

Odd then, isn't it, that it was always referred to as The Final Solution? Did the initial construction include the gas chambers as actual showers so weary travelers could refresh themselves?

Actually, it was called the "Final Solution" because their previous solutions (isolation, deportation) weren't working. The decision to just kill them all wasn't made until 1942 at the Wanssee Conference in January 1942. The Nazis had been in power for nine years up to that point, and the war had been going on for over two.

Wannsee Conference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One has to worry what Trump and Miller are going to do when countries stop taking back citizens, and they can't fob them off anymore on Sudan and El Salvador.

Please don't pretend that you think beyond your TDS.

Quite the contrary, where I agree with Trump, I'll say so.

For instance, I agree with his efforts to end the pointless Ukraine War. He's doing it for all the wrong reasons, of course, and he's starting to realize he's not up to the job, but his overall goal is the right one.

The rest were rejected, not left in limbo.

Not really true.

News from TRAC

[td]Immigration Court Backlog: Overall Down, Asylum Backlog Up

[td](20 Mar 2025) Overall Backlog: Since new Department of Homeland Security Notices to Appear (NTAs) in Immigration Court have fallen after President Trump assumed office, the Court’s backlog has begun to drop as well. The overall backlog has decreased to 3,687,750 active cases– down 1.6 percent from levels at the end of December 2024 when it stood at 3,747,675 active cases. However, immigrant’s average wait time for those in the current backlog has increased since December by 5.5 percent to 636 days.[/td]
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[poppopfox]

The difference is that people will get out of Alligator Alcatraz, some within a very short time, others will remain while an accepting country is found. If you think that "concentration camp" is anything at all like the Nazi concentration/death camps, you must be very young.

How do you 'know' that? Been there?

And you would make folk heroes of people who kill ICE and CBP agents.

Where do folk heroes come from?

Intelligence is knowing the circumstances before one just accepts the Party line.

Nope, it's more than that.

Got it! Only violent offenses count as law violations. I started out feeling sorry for this guy, but you're convincing me to just let him stay in So. Korea.

Which poster made that claim? Quote?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

One has to worry what Trump and Miller are going to do when countries stop taking back citizens, and they can't fob them off anymore on Sudan and El Salvador.

No, one doesn't have to worry about that. One has to worry if one has no food for the family and no way to get any, but not about your comment.

Not really true.

Yes, true. The 9% figures I quoted are obviously the percentage of those that have been adjudicated. 91% of those that were adjudicated during those three years were denied. The backlog is another matter. It will be improved by using qualified JAG's at places like Alligator Alcatraz, as Trump has suggested.