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Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

As an inmate?
Dachau doesn't have inmates. Hasn't for years.
Post 290 is your reply. Explain or not.
The text in the light blue background is the other guys comment, under his handle, with a tiny arrow pointing up that'll lead you back to more of the discussion. If you're interested. Or not.
 
Dachau doesn't have inmates. Hasn't for years.
We were talking about Alligator Alcatraz, not Dachua. So you haven't been here? You should not be ashamed to admit that. Iow, you have no idea what is happening down there.
The text in the light blue background is the other guys comment, under his handle, with a tiny arrow pointing up that'll lead you back to more of the discussion. If you're interested. Or not.
Really don't need to go back, your diversions speak for themselves.
 
We were talking about Alligator Alcatraz, not Dachua. So you haven't been here? You should not be ashamed to admit that. Iow, you have no idea what is happening down there.
Sorry. I misunderstood. No, I haven't been to that part of the Everglades. All I know about the camp is the same thing all of the public knows.
 
No, one doesn't have to worry about that. One has to worry if one has no food for the family and no way to get any, but not about your comment.

Um, yes, I guess if you are a totally heartless person, you won't are when they start up the mass killings, like good little Nazis.

Yes, true. The 9% figures I quoted are obviously the percentage of those that have been adjudicated. 91% of those that were adjudicated during those three years were denied. The backlog is another matter. It will be improved by using qualified JAG's at places like Alligator Alcatraz, as Trump has suggested.

Right, throw out the darkies. Then let's throw out people who are citizens, while we are at it, like Trump has suggested.

Then let's shut down the free press, like Trump has suggested.
 
Um, yes, I guess if you are a totally heartless person, you won't are when they start up the mass killings, like good little Nazis.
See? That's what I mean. I don't believe that such things are going to happen, so I don't worry about them. I doubt if you believe it either, but your politics makes you think that such an accusation is catchy and clever.
Right, throw out the darkies
I'm going to take that as political clap-trap. So many people on the left don't bother to actually know anything that such lines become like slogans. One can almost picture some pimply-faced anarchist shouting it into a bull-horn, with mindless people who have nothing better to do shouting it back in unison, over and over.
 
See? That's what I mean. I don't believe that such things are going to happen, so I don't worry about them. I doubt if you believe it either, but your politics makes you think that such an accusation is catchy and clever.

My family came from Germany originally (emigrating here in 1925). They had no idea how that shit happened, either. When my Dad came back from WWII, he showed my Grandparents pictures he took at Nordhausen. My Grandmother burned most of the pictures, refusing to believe Germans could do such things.

And if people as smart as the Germans could be fooled, people as stupid as Americans don't stand a chance.

I'm going to take that as political clap-trap. So many people on the left don't bother to actually know anything that such lines become like slogans. One can almost picture some pimply-faced anarchist shouting it into a bull-horn, with mindless people who have nothing better to do shouting it back in unison, over and over.

Wouldn't know. I'm well into my 60's, and up until the Mid-Aughts, I used to vote Republican.

The GOP today looks more like a cult than a political party. The fact that you are getting on here, rationalizing deporting Purple Heart Veterans and a Father of Five, shows you are the one who is following the "slogans" mindlessly.
 
And if people as smart as the Germans could be fooled,
The German people weren't fooled. After Hitler became Chancellor, the German people were subjugated by force.
The fact that you are getting on here, rationalizing deporting Purple Heart Veterans and a Father of Five, shows you are the one who is following the "slogans" mindlessly.
What you've apparently missed is that I bothered to find out what the man had actually done that put him at risk. You, OTOH, seemed to think that he had just used a little dope to cope with PTSD. You had simply accepted what his advocates said. At this point, I hope he gets to stay here for his family's sake. If it were just him, I wouldn't care much whether he stays or goes.

I prefer to operate on the basis of information. Maybe that's because of my work experience. Others may prefer to operate on feelings. It is easier, but that kind of people get sucked in more often.
 
The German people weren't fooled. After Hitler became Chancellor, the German people were subjugated by force.

Actually, no, the NSDAP (Nazi Party) won the most seats in the Reichstag and formed an alliance with the DNVP (German National People's Party), another right wing party, to form a government. Please don't try to tell me that the Germans had no idea what the Nazis were about.

After the war, they were all like children who ate too much candy. Kind of like Americans will be after MAGA falls flat on its face.

What you've apparently missed is that I bothered to find out what the man had actually done that put him at risk. You, OTOH, seemed to think that he had just used a little dope to cope with PTSD. You had simply accepted what his advocates said. At this point, I hope he gets to stay here for his family's sake. If it were just him, I wouldn't care much whether he stays or goes.

Again, you are using a lot of rationalizations to justify what was done to him, things that wouldn't have gotten him in very much trouble if he had been a citizen. His violations are the kinds of thing that are usually handled with probation and treatment for Americans, most of whom didn't take a bullet for this country.
 
I prefer to operate on the basis of information. Maybe that's because of my work experience. Others may prefer to operate on feelings. It is easier, but that kind of people get sucked in more often.

No, dude, you are looking for rationalizations. "Oh, it was totally okay because 20 years ago, he took some drugs and owned a gun illegally!"

"Oh, it was totally okay because he missed a filing deadline after his daughter died in a stillborn birth."

"Oh, it's okay because an order was issued ten years ago and suspended, even though he has spent 10 years as a solid citizen and married an American."

HOw about a sensible rule.

If you have not committed a violent offense, and you are married to an American or served your country, you get to stay.

Seems if you were good enough for the military or your spouse, you are good enough for America.
 
Actually, no, the NSDAP (Nazi Party) won the most seats in the Reichstag and formed an alliance with the DNVP (German National People's Party), another right wing party, to form a government. Please don't try to tell me that the Germans had no idea what the Nazis were about
Germany had just endured runaway inflation, followed by the Great Depression. Hitler led the Nazi Party to the victory in 1932 that you mention on a platform of economic recovery. In 1933 he was named Chancellor. He imprisoned political opponents ("subjugated them by force") so he could pass a law giving him dictatorial power

Apart from liberals thinking it's clever to refer to Trump as Hitler and the GOP as Nazis, there is absolutely no parallel between the two sets of circumstances or their outcome.
Again, you are using a lot of rationalizations to justify what was done to him, things that wouldn't have gotten him in very much trouble if he had been a citizen.
A condition of immigration to this country is that one not have a criminal past or be a criminal after arrival. This man did a series of criminal acts after his arrival. Criminal grounds for deportation are primarily listed in INA § 237(a)(2). As applies to this man, multiple convictions are grounds for deportation. Gun offenses are another.

This is not rationalization for why he should be deported, only legal grounds on which he may be. He did more than use a little pot for his PTSD.
 
HOw about a sensible rule.
I have not said anything done by the government was "OK." Nothing.

Now, how do you make a sensible law that applies to millions of different people from all over the world at different times. You can't. What you can do, and what has been done in this case, is to provide for an appeals process, during which the individual conditions can be examined and the individual opinions (sensibilities) of a judge can be applied. That's what's going on right now.
 
Garcia has already been charged. It was necessary to effect his return per the SCOTUS order.

The issue is Garcia's potential deportation should he be released on bail. If he stays in jail, he won't be deported but will be prosecuted. If he's out on bail, it's doubtful he'd be prosecuted from wherever he is deported.

Yes, we're all caught up on that. What point are you trying to move forward here?
 
See? That's what I mean. I don't believe that such things are going to happen, so I don't worry about them. I doubt if you believe it either, but your politics makes you think that such an accusation is catchy and clever.

I'm going to take that as political clap-trap. So many people on the left don't bother to actually know anything that such lines become like slogans. One can almost picture some pimply-faced anarchist shouting it into a bull-horn, with mindless people who have nothing better to do shouting it back in unison, over and over.

Heh heh, remember the bold the next time you try to sell restrictions for "they're aborting them a day/week before birth!" :rolleyes:
 
Germany had just endured runaway inflation, followed by the Great Depression. Hitler led the Nazi Party to the victory in 1932 that you mention on a platform of economic recovery. In 1933 he was named Chancellor. He imprisoned political opponents ("subjugated them by force") so he could pass a law giving him dictatorial power

Apart from liberals thinking it's clever to refer to Trump as Hitler and the GOP as Nazis, there is absolutely no parallel between the two sets of circumstances or their outcome.

Actually, it seems pretty close. What you leave out of those Cliff Notes history is Hitler came to power, demonizing the Jews. Trump came to power by demonizing illegal immigrants.

A condition of immigration to this country is that one not have a criminal past or be a criminal after arrival. This man did a series of criminal acts after his arrival. Criminal grounds for deportation are primarily listed in INA § 237(a)(2). As applies to this man, multiple convictions are grounds for deportation. Gun offenses are another.

This is not rationalization for why he should be deported, only legal grounds on which he may be. He did more than use a little pot for his PTSD.

He also took a bullet for this country after his arrival. He also lived here since he was a child.

Let's say some government official decided you were a real bung on his ass and decided he was going to use any legal excuse he could to throw you in jail. If you didn't actually do anything, no problem, we just promise a criminal a get out of jail free card to say you did.



I have not said anything done by the government was "OK." Nothing.

Now, how do you make a sensible law that applies to millions of different people from all over the world at different times. You can't. What you can do, and what has been done in this case, is to provide for an appeals process, during which the individual conditions can be examined and the individual opinions (sensibilities) of a judge can be applied. That's what's going on right now.

Or you can have a sensible rule that you don't enforce every case because Cheeto Hitler demanded a quota of 3000 a day.
 
Yes, we're all caught up on that. What point are you trying to move forward here?

Try reading before you post.

"The issue is Garcia's potential deportation should he be released on bail. If he stays in jail, he won't be deported but will be prosecuted. If he's out on bail, it's doubtful he'd be prosecuted from wherever he is deported."

Democrat exploitation has cast Garcia into a dilemma where there are no good, realistic alternatives for him. Worse, he has lost his political cachet for Democrats to use him as a political weapon. Expect them to flush him down the memory hole.
 
What you leave out of those Cliff Notes history is Hitler came to power, demonizing the Jews.
Hitler demonized the Jews as part of his campaign of promises to fix the German economy. It comes down to
  • Inflation
  • Depression
  • Election
  • Chancellorship
  • Law enabling dictatorship
None of those conditions exist in this county.
Trump came to power by demonizing illegal immigrants.
Nothing personal, but that's a pretty silly remark.
Let's say some government official decided you were a real bung on his ass and decided he was going to use any legal excuse he could to throw you in jail. If you didn't actually do anything, no problem, we just promise a criminal a get out of jail free card to say you did.
That's not what happened. AFAIK, he hasn't denied any of the charges against him.
Or you can have a sensible rule that you don't enforce every case because Cheeto Hitler demanded a quota of 3000 a day.
You were doing pretty well right up until that.
 
Hitler demonized the Jews as part of his campaign of promises to fix the German economy. It comes down to
  • Inflation
  • Depression
  • Election
  • Chancellorship
  • Law enabling dictatorship
None of those conditions exist in this county.

Um, no, it came down to using the Jews to rally Germans. I guess the main difference is Germany had real economic problems.

Trump just told you idiots you did, and you believed him.

Nothing personal, but that's a pretty silly remark.

How it is silly? Geobbels used to issue a "Criminal Jew Report". Trump made a big deal about even the most minor crime committed by immigrants. "They're eating the Cats!!!"

That's not what happened. AFAIK, he hasn't denied any of the charges against him.

I am putting out there that if you are going to ignore all humanity in the application of the law to appease Cheeto Hitler, none of us would be safe.

I remember a poem by a German Pastor that started,
"First they came for the Jews...."



You were doing pretty well right up until that.
 
Um, no, it came down to using the Jews to rally Germans. I guess the main difference is Germany had real economic problems.

Trump just told you idiots you did, and you believed him.
I'm not an idiot.
Trump hasn't even implied that we have anything like the German problems in the 20's and 30's.
"They're eating the Cats!!!"
No one over the age of about 4 believed that.
I am putting out there that if you are going to ignore all humanity in the application of the law to appease Cheeto Hitler
You're over the line again.
 
Garcia has already been charged. It was necessary to effect his return per the SCOTUS order.

The issue is Garcia's potential deportation should he be released on bail. If he stays in jail, he won't be deported but will be prosecuted. If he's out on bail, it's doubtful he'd be prosecuted from wherever he is deported.
If they felt the charges were warranted they’d prosecute him bail or no bail. They know the charges are bogus.
 
No, it didn't. He's still in jail and will stay there until 3 days before he's deported to some other country. Maybe So. Sudan?

Sure. And the administration is hard at work on that.
If he’s found not guilty (he will be) he won’t be deported.
 
If he’s found not guilty (he will be) he won’t be deported.
The fact is that he may not even be tried on the latest indictment. There's an existing Order of Removal that, AFAIK, is still valid EXCEPT for deportation to El Salvador.
That's just FYI. I don't want to argue about it.
 
I'm not an idiot.
That's debatable.
Trump hasn't even implied that we have anything like the German problems in the 20's and 30's.
Well, yeah, he did. Of course, the economy was pretty good, but Biden wasn't able to promote his position on account of his brain turning into tapioca.


No one over the age of about 4 believed that.

Then why did he say something that was obviously untrue? Furthermore, why do you support a man who lies to you?

You're over the line again.

Nope. Cheeto Hitler applies here. All Heil the Cheeto.
 
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