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Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

The CNN article you cited did NOT say anyone was tortured.
Dude. The guy that they did bring back (when they said they couldn't) has already said he was tortured in that same prison.

Is this the game we're going to play so that you can feel better about Trump sending people to be tortured?
 
Dude. The guy that they did bring back (when they said they couldn't) has already said he was tortured in that same prison.
Does it surprise you that he would say that? Not me, and I doubt it. "Torture" is , "the action or practice of inflicting severe pain or suffering on someone as a punishment or in order to force them to do or say something.." What do the Salvadoran want him to do or say? "Torture" is also what bad guys claim when they want to get sympathy and support from liberals.
Is this the game we're going to play so that you can feel better about Trump sending people to be tortured?
Getting credible answers to questions isn't a game. Your question is an example of the kind of hype that calls out for honesty.
 
Romero applied for asylum. Immigration Judge Paula Dixon dismissed his case. That's due process.

Due process would have been sending him back to Venezuela. Not a concentration camp in El Salvador
 
Does it surprise you that he would say that?
It doesn't surprise me that MAGA is making excuses for a US president that is sending brown people to foreign countries to be tortured.

I've been expecting that out of Republicans for decades.

I so hope God is watching.
 
Due process would have been sending him back to Venezuela. Not a concentration camp in El Salvador
At the time of his deportation Venezuela wouldn't accept them. I understand they have now agreed to accept a number of their citizens.
 
It doesn't surprise me that MAGA is making excuses for a US president that is sending brown people to foreign countries to be tortured.
No President is sending anyone of any nationality to any other country to be tortured, your racist BS notwithstanding.
I've been expecting that out of Republicans for decades.
I hope you're not disappointed, but you've got to stop buying the crap that you've apparently been swallowing "for decades."
I so hope God is watching.
Me too. He doesn't like the kind of lying that your leaders have been doing to you.
 
No President is sending anyone of any nationality to any other country to be tortured
That is a lie.

It's literally their gameplan to scare brown people from even taking a "chance" of working in the US. And it's working. The brown people are hiding or leaving now.

And it's all happening because Stephen Miller was made fun of in high school by Hispanic kids.
 
It's literally their gameplan to scare brown people from even taking a "chance" of working in the US
That is one of the most idiotic things, even by a Democrat, that I have read in almost 90 years of walking this planet.
The brown people are hiding or leaving now.
The brown illegal aliens are leaving, and so are the white ones, and the black ones.
And it's all happening because Stephen Miller was made fun of in high school by Hispanic kids.
Well, that has to be a very close second.

I can only conclude that those stupid remarks come from someone who is almost totally ignorant of the visa program, the legal immigration, the employment and anything else related to such absolute nonsense. I speculate, too, that anyone guilty of that kind of ignorance has never lived anywhere that has any "brown people" population at all.

My God, and they walk the Earth!
 
At the time of his deportation Venezuela wouldn't accept them. I understand they have now agreed to accept a number of their citizens.

I don't know why you think doing an evil thing becomes okay if you have a legal excuse.

Sending a makeup artist to a prison with hardened gang members is simply inhumane.

Unless the cruelty is the point.
 
The "typical plantation owner" was a precursor of the Democrat Party.
The "typical plantation owner" was the epitome of Cadet Bonespurs and his Maga minions.
At least in this country, slaves were seldom pitted against each other in fights to the death for the entertainment of the masses.
Irrelevant diversion. "But the Romans...."
Yep. And those who would eventually belong to the Democrat Party were it's chief practitioners and defenders, to the extent of trying to split the country. When they lost that attempt they carried on with the KKK and the passage of Jim Crow laws.
Just more labeling. Can you not talk in the present?
It's history. It's not your fault, but the left should stop trying to blame others for their inglorious past.
It is history. Can't base your arguments in today's political climate it seems.
 
Remember when trump claimed that once the prisoners are in El Salvador they are out of our hands?

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, wrote: "HUGE! This completely puts to lie the Trump admin’s repeated claims in court that the U.S. has no control over the people we had imprisoned without trial in El Salvador. El Salvador told the United Nations definitively that those people are being held under U.S. jurisdiction."

 
That is one of the most idiotic things, even by a Democrat, that I have read in almost 90 years of walking this planet.
Here is some more reading for you. We have the most idiotic President this country has ever seen. Apparently you don't listen to his speeches.
Even More Ignorant Donald Trump Quotes

Too many to cut and paste, peruse at your leisure!
 
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I don't know why you think doing an evil thing becomes okay if you have a legal excuse.
Removing criminals from this country is not an evil thing. Insisting on NOT removing them is supporting evil.
Sending a makeup artist to a prison with hardened gang members is simply inhumane.
So far, no one has shown any credible evidence that he is with hardened criminals.
Besides, those "hardened criminals" are some of the guys that you don't want removed from the country.
Unless the cruelty is the point.
The point is the thing you guys always preach about: The Rule of Law. The makeup artist had no legal right to be in this country, he had asylum hearings and was rejected. The Rule of Law says he has to go at that point, to a country that will accept him.
 
The "typical plantation owner" was the epitome of Cadet Bonespurs and his Maga minions.
Do you want to discuss the history of racism as relates to the political left, or just to bitch about Trump?
Irrelevant diversion. "But the Romans...."
LOL!! The guy that drags Trump into the discussion complains about an irrelevant diversion. My comment, BTW, was in response to your statement, "Slavery in the US was much more inhumane than the practice was in other cultures" as if dying in a fight in the Coliseum was more humane than what happened here.
Just more labeling. Can you not talk in the present?
Can you not follow a thread? I said that the political left in this country was responsible for the racism in this country through slavery, the KKK and Jim Crow. I made no accusation about the present. However, I will say that the use of African-Americans for votes, making promises they never keep, is racist.
It is history. Can't base your arguments in today's political climate it seems.
Our subject was history. I'm not interested in reading a load of canned insults from the Democrat playbook about MAGA.
 
You don't find the administration's focus on this one legal immigrant to be a tad psychotic?
Oh its not just him. They detained a man named Mario Guevara too. When Dekalb co DA saw the video footage he immediately dismissed charges that were bs. Then the immigration judge gave him a bond of $7500 and ICE is appealing because they say this guy with no criminal record is a danger to the US simply because he’s a journalist
 
Removing criminals from this country is not an evil thing. Insisting on NOT removing them is supporting evil.

I'm sorry, how was the makeup artist "criminal"? He came here, he requested asylum, it was denied, but Venezuela wouldn't take him back.

He didn't commit any crimes or do anything wrong.

So far, no one has shown any credible evidence that he is with hardened criminals.
Besides, those "hardened criminals" are some of the guys that you don't want removed from the country.

I have no problem deporting actual criminals.
Not the Makeup artist.
Or Abrego-Garcia giving his buddies a ride to a job site.
Or Sae Joon Park (who took a bullet for this country) dealing with his PTSD with drugs before he got clean.
Or dozens of others without criminal records that Trump is scooping up and shipping out.
 
I'm sorry, how was the makeup artist "criminal"?
AFAIK, he's not but, having had his asylum case dismissed, he had an Order of Removal. The people being removed now are primarily criminals or those who have such Orders.
I have no problem deporting actual criminals.
What about people who have been through due process and been ordered out of the country by an Immigration Court?
Not the Makeup artist.
Or Abrego-Garcia giving his buddies a ride to a job site.
Why not? Both had lost their appeals Both had Orders of Deportation. .
Or Sae Joon Park (who took a bullet for this country) dealing with his PTSD with drugs before he got clean.
He's in the appeal process. If his drug issue was simply his own use to deal with PTSD, I hope he wins the appeal.
Or dozens of others without criminal records that Trump is scooping up and shipping out.
Those "dozens of others" have Orders of Removal. Why shouldn't they be "scooped up and shipped out?"
 
Because he has US citizen family members here, has been ordered to be protected from deportation to El Salvador by the US, and because we are not vindictive, sadistic assholes like Trump, who cannot accept that he made a mistake.

Our strange president is a guy who couldn’t admit that he made a mistake with the Central Park Five, who said he doesn’t have to ask God for forgiveness.
.....ah, his actions are on YOUR behalf.


Whether you like it or not, you own it.

Just like I had to wear Trudeau for eight ****ing years!
 
.....ah, his actions are on YOUR behalf.


Whether you like it or not, you own it.

Just like I had to wear Trudeau for eight ****ing years!
Sadly, we have to carry his reputation with us. I spent a February in Europe, however, and didn’t find much transference of dislike of Trump carrying over to us Yanks. Am old enough to remember traveling in Europe during the Vietnam War, when it was rumor or actual custom that Americans would paste or sew Canadian flags on their backpacks to avoid potential insults.
 
I'm not bitter. I'm just tired of having the political side of this country that was responsible for slavery and so much after slavery ended, dodge their responsibility for it and pretend that it was all done by the right wing. And, rather than throw out an implied insult, perhaps you'd like to make a case that I'm mistaken.

And the party has changed a great deal...completely actually...since that time. Why dont you acknowledge that?

Your hackneyed, facile, empty accusation for Democrats a hundred yrs ago is like saying none of us should accept the Constitution because some of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. Jefferson owned and raped them. So...nothing about the legacy of the Constitution is valid or worth while because of that past? Just flush it? Or recognize the changes in society and leadership over a century or two? :rolleyes:

Not expecting much in the way of acknowledgement, the mental effort to really come to terms with the facts doesnt come together for all.
 
I'm not bitter. I'm just tired of having the political side of this country that was responsible for slavery and so much after slavery ended, dodge their responsibility for it and pretend that it was all done by the right wing. And, rather than throw out an implied insult, perhaps you'd like to make a case that I'm mistaken.
It was done by the right wing. Southern democrats were right wing. Northern republicans used to be fairly centrist, even liberal in some cases.
 
What about people who have been through due process and been ordered out of the country by an Immigration Court?

What about them? They should only be shipped to their country of origin and ONLY if we have assurances they won't be mistreated when they are returned.

Why not? Both had lost their appeals Both had Orders of Deportation. .

But not to the place they were sent, that was the thing.

He's in the appeal process. If his drug issue was simply his own use to deal with PTSD, I hope he wins the appeal.

Again, never should have gotten this far. The man took a bullet for this country.

Those "dozens of others" have Orders of Removal. Why shouldn't they be "scooped up and shipped out?"

Oh, I don't know, basic humanity, but I don't think you understand that concept.
 
What about them? They should only be shipped to their country of origin and ONLY if we have assurances they won't be mistreated when they are returned.
And if their home country won't take them do we just let them stay here? What happens if we return them and later they are "mistreated?" By whose standards? Just because they illegally entered our country doesn't mean that we took them to raise.
But not to the place they were sent, that was the thing.
Only Abrego Garcia was sent to "the wrong" place.
Again, never should have gotten this far. The man took a bullet for this country.
He also violated it's laws. Let's see how the appeal works out. He has lawyers.
Oh, I don't know, basic humanity, but I don't think you understand that concept.
"Basic humanity" requires that we care for our neighbors who may be down on their luck. It doesn't require that we keep 12 million people here simply because they want to be here.
I don't think you understand the concept.
 
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