Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

[JoeB131]

You know, it was! And it was Democrats in the KKK. And it was Democrats who passed and enforced Jim Crow laws.

And when those people no longer felt welcome in the Democratic Party, the GOP welcomed them with open arms.

 

[JoeB131]

One has to be a bit careful about that. Many liberals/progressive/Democrats assume that the Southern Strategy resulted in fairly large numbers of racist Democrats instantly jumping to the Republican Party, but that didn't happen, In fact, only Strom Thurmond made such a leap. Over time, the voters in the South became more Republican and elected Republicans to Congress. That's confirmed by your source.

Well, no, the voters switched sides, they just didn't take the politicians with them.

 

[poppopfox]

See post #174.

Nothing in that post refutes my claim.
The Great Switch: How the Republican & Democratic Parties Flipped Ideologies

However, upon hearing Goldwater’s argument against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the majority of Black voters left the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats. They saw the Democratic Party as advocates for equality and justice, while the Republicans were too concerned with keeping the status quo in America.

As the 60s and 70s continued, Democrats sought reform in other places, such as abortion and school prayer. White southern Democrats began to resent how much the Democratic Party was intervening into the rights of the people.

By the 1980s, white southern Democrats had become Republicans, and the majority of the south was now Republican. The Republican Party now is solidly conservative while the Democratic Party is the liberal one.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

And when those people no longer felt welcome in the Democratic Party, the GOP welcomed them with open arms.

Probably. My point, however, is that the left is responsible for slavery, the KKK and Jim Crow, the worst periods of racism in our history.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Well, no, the voters switched sides, they just didn't take the politicians with them.

That's what I said. And, I said, the voters changing parties didn't just happen overnight.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Nothing in that post refutes my claim.

And nothing in this post refutes my claim of Democrat/leftist history of racism for 400 years of our history.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[poppopfox]

And nothing in this post refutes my claim of Democrat/leftist history of racism for 400 years of our history.

History refutes your claim. The Democrat Party was founded in 1828. But if you want to use labels to place blame for slavery in this country you're going to need to do more research. What the history shows is different. Start with "White, Upper-class, European Christians" and go from there.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Romero applied for asylum. Immigration Judge Paula Dixon dismissed his case. That's due process.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Romero applied for asylum. Immigration Judge Paula Dixon dismissed his case. That's due process.

And now he's in the death/torture prison.

What happened to Reagan's Republican party????

 

[Nickyjo]

So you figure that if illegal alien criminals, criminal gang members, and those who have been ordered out of the country by an immigration court are, in fact, deported, that you will be? Are you a citizen?

And you seem to think that ICE wearing masks is a bad idea. Why?

I have been arrested or detained by cops and by immigration officials on about half dozen occasions due to various suspicions they had about my union activities or suspicions of me at or near the border. All had badges, showed their faces, identified themselves, and some even had name tags. Some even explained and apologized for their mistakes. Having masked people do arrests on the streets, taking people to distant detention facilities, sending them to faraway continents, not telling family members where or why — all this in some cases for immigration violations only — are the signs of a police state.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

The Democrat Party was founded in 1828.

That, my friend, is why I said, "Democrats/leftists..."

Start with "White, Upper-class, European Christians" and go from there.

Would you rather I started with some form of nomadic tribe hundreds of years B.C.? Were they white? They certainly weren't Christians. And there was no place called "Europe."
I specifically referred to 400 years of our history. But if you're so eager to escape any responsibility for what happened in this country, you're certainly welcome to explore the whole history of slavery (don't forget slavery by blacks in Africa) if you like, but you'll do it without me.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

And now he's in the death/torture prison.

A credible cite, please.

 

[CaughtInThe]

A credible cite, please.

"A year ago, Andry José Hernández Romero left Venezuela to seek a better future in the United States.

He wanted to continue growing his career as a makeup artist. He left behind his lifelong home in the little town of Capacho Nuevo, where he lived with his mother, father, and younger brother.

...

Andry Hernández is one of hundreds of migrants who in mid-March were deported to Cecot – the mega-prison built by El Salvador to incarcerate “the worst of the worst,” according to the country’s president, Nayib Bukele – under the Alien Enemies Act, a wartime policy invoked by the Trump administration to expel alleged members of the Tren de Aragua."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/28/americas/romero-venezuela-deported-us-salvador-intl-latam

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Having masked people do arrests on the streets, taking people to distant detention facilities, sending them to faraway continents, not telling family members where or why — all this in some cases for immigration violations only — are the signs of a police state.

People who do the task are masked to protect themselves and their families from people of the sort that have threatened Supreme Court Justices, from the people who have announced that they will publish their names and addresses.
People are taken to distant detention facilities if they are criminals or members of criminal gangs. They may be on faraway continents because their home countries won't have them back and those other countries will accept them.
I've seen no evidence that anyone has been sent to a detention facility for immigration violations only. Have you?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Andry Hernández is one of hundreds of migrants who in mid-March were deported to Cecot

Is he still there, or like "the Maryland Dad" was he moved to a more liberal facility, or even released?

 

[poppopfox]

That, my friend, is why I said, "Democrats/leftists..."

You would still be wrong.

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy either as a whole or of certain social hierarchies.
Source: Wikipedia

Doesn't sound like the typical plantation owner, does it?

Would you rather I started with some form of nomadic tribe hundreds of years B.C.? Were they white? They certainly weren't Christians. And there was no place called "Europe."

I'd rather you stick to the argument.

I specifically referred to 400 years of our history. But if you're so eager to escape any responsibility for what happened in this country, you're certainly welcome to explore the whole history of slavery (don't forget slavery by blacks in Africa) if you like, but you'll do it without me.

Now you're just being hostile. I have explored the topic, quite thoroughly. Slavery in the US was much more inhumane than the practice was in other cultures.

Chattel slavery was not conditional but racial. It was heritable and permanent, not temporary, meaning generations of black people were born into it and passed their enslaved status onto their children. Enslaved people were not recognized as human beings but as property that could be mortgaged, traded, bought, sold, used as collateral, given as a gift and disposed of violently.
Was American Slavery Uniquely Evil?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Is he still there, or like "the Maryland Dad" was he moved to a more liberal facility, or even released?

Wow

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Doesn't sound like the typical plantation owner, does it?

The "typical plantation owner" was a precursor of the Democrat Party.

Now you're just being hostile. I have explored the topic, quite thoroughly. Slavery in the US was much more inhumane than the practice was in other cultures.

At least in this country, slaves were seldom pitted against each other in fights to the death for the entertainment of the masses.

Enslaved people were not recognized as human beings but as property that could be mortgaged, traded, bought, sold, used as collateral, given as a gift and disposed of violently.

Yep. And those who would eventually belong to the Democrat Party were it's chief practitioners and defenders, to the extent of trying to split the country. When they lost that attempt they carried on with the KKK and the passage of Jim Crow laws.

It's history. It's not your fault, but the left should stop trying to blame others for their inglorious past.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Wow

I'm sorry. I don't know how to translate that as an answer to my question. I'll just take it that you don't know.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I'm sorry. I don't know how to translate that as an answer to my question. I'll just take it that you don't know.

So Trump picked a guy (makeup artist) up off the street and sent him to the same prison that we sent the other guy (where he was tortured) and I gave you a link that shows that this guy was also sent to that same prison where they torture people and you're going to start asking a bunch of questions about if he's still there even though his family has said repeatedly that they cannot contact him in that prison.

Does asking those questions, like if they transferred him to a golf course or something, make you feel better about these people they are sending to that prison where they torture people?

Is that the diversion that you really want to use?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

we sent the other guy (where he was tortured)

A credible cite, please.

you're going to start asking a bunch of questions about if he's still there even though his family has said repeatedly that they cannot contact him in that prison.

Yes. I tend to question much of the propaganda posted by sympathetic people, since their ideology shades their thinking and, sometimes, their reporting. And why can't his family contact him at that prison? If he's not still in it, they wouldn't be able to, would they?

Does asking those questions, like if they transferred him to a golf course or something, make you feel better about these people they are sending to that prison where they torture people?

I didn't ask if he had been sent to a golf course. I said a more lenient facility, that is, a prison where non-violent people are held and treatment is better. Furthermore, I didn't refer to "these people." I referred only to the guy who is the subject of the thread.

Is that the diversion that you really want to use?

Asking question that you should have asked before you got all wrapped around the axle is not a "diversion." It's honest curiosity.

 

[Nickyjo]

Funny, we keep going back and forth on Trump’s actions and the background of the prisoners. The bottom line is that whatever the plus and minuses of this or other cases, Trump is consistent: Trump doesn’t give a damn about human rights, doesn’t care if Abrego Garcia is/was tortured. And of course, Trump doesn’t care about court decisions like the one that prohibited his return to El Salvador nor the order to get him back. And third, Trump vindictiveness: Abrego Garcia made Trump look bad, so he gets prosecuted on events from long ago. But the constants here are related to Trump’s character, not Abrego Garcia’s.

 

[CaughtInThe]

A credible cite, please.

I gave you one and the guy they finally brought back (after saying they couldn't) has already documented how he was tortured.

Do you even care about your fellow man?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

I gave you one and the guy they finally brought back (after saying they couldn't) has already documented how he was tortured.

The CNN article you cited did NOT say anyone was tortured. In fact, it said, “One of the greatest forms of torture imposed by Cecot is isolating people from their loved ones:" That isn't "torture." Furthermore, the CNN article loses credibility because it neglects to mention that his case was dismissed by an Immigration Judge. He had due process.

Do you even care about your fellow man?

Of course I do.