dthmstr254
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abraham was alive in 2500 bc!, i thought people werent alive, and the literal translation of the english words "I Am" into Hebrew is the word YHWH, which is used over 300 times in the old testament and new testament. that is too many times to explain the tense change by typosPeralin said:First of all, the tense change easily could've been a translation error. Second, even if ti was meant to be tha way, Jesus never says that he is God! Your quote about him coming before Abraham simply means that he existed for a while before he was born.
same quote as above, he used the word YHWH in the Hebrew translation of it.Perhaps God formed Jesus early, so that he could go over his plans with his son before he sends him to Earth. Or perhaps God was lonely "in the beginning" and decided to have a son. So Jesus was there with God, yet he was not God. These are some of many possibilities. Please find exactly where Jesus says that he is God. Then I will consider it.
when questioned by the philistines prior to his death, they asked if he was God and he said, "I Am."
in the moments that Jesus is most often depicted praying to God, it is used to teach a lesson, so he was bound by two laws, one that a Jewish man was required to follow, according to the Law and the Prophets, another name for the new testaments, and the law of ministers to teach in all that they do.WHAT?! If he was required to pray and talk to God, that means he is not God! What do you think he is doing, pryaing to himself, having a nice chat with himself? Asking himself to spare himself from the death that awaits? So WHO is it that Jesus is speaking to? It can't be God, becuase Jesus=God, right? So who is it?
read your history, the idea of the trinity, if you want to call it an idea, can be dated to long before they had contact with even the ancestors of the hindusNo, of course it isn't. Actually, I think Christians stole the idea from the Hindus. Not sure which came first, but I think it was the Hindu Trinity.
the son of God is first mentioned actually in Genesis, when he appeared to Abram/Abraham and promised they would birth a baby named isaac.No, I do not need evidence that Jesus is the Messiah. I believe that he is the Messiah. He is the one that God would send to help us. He was the real deal (as far as I believe). BUT, I do not think that he was God. He may be the SON of God, but that's a bit different. (BTW, did you ever think that maybe Jesus is called the "son of God" because God "had intercourse" with Mary? Just an idea.)
not by himself, and in the other two occasions of ascension into heaven, the Christ is walking with them, so technically, Jesus ascended three times, twice helping mortals.Jesus could easily be the son of God. After all, are we not all sons of God? Did God not create every one of us (according to common belief)? And Jesus may be the Messiah, who was predicted to come to save us. And maybe Jesus did die on the cross and rise again to save us from our sins. And maybe he did ascend into heaven after 40 days. But couldn't he do all that without being God?
i feel real sorry for you, cause technically, Jesus could not save us from our sins if he was not God as you hold. it would mean he had sin in his life, and that he was not a spotless lamb anymore. and since you hold that he is not God, you are not a true Christian, cause to say one fact in the bible is not true is to say the entire bible is untrue. this puts you, sadly to say, in the list of people that will not be accepted into the Kingdom of HeavenHa! That's funny that you would say that. For 15 years I was a good Catholic, and then I found debatepolitics.com. It opened my eyes to reality. It has not changed my core beliefs, but it has let me choose for myself. Because of this, I do not consider myself Catholic any more (though technically I still am). I am still Christian, as I believe that Jesus was the Messiah. I just haven't found a group of Christians that fit my beliefs.
So no, I don't think I will be enlightened to believe in the trinity unless Jesus comes to me and tells me that he is God. Then I'd reconsider.