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Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts"

Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Maybe I'm misreading this, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that according to the time line of the calls, his headset didn't fall off because he was pushed, but rather because he started running.

Am I correct on that?

From the way that I am reading it she last talked to Martin before Zimmerman called 911. She tried to call him back (and apparently didn't get an answer) 1 min before Zimmerman placed the call to 911 which was at 7:13 (19:13 military time)....her call back happened at 7:12.

Her first initial call happened at 7:04. Thats when she says that she was talking to Martin in which she "recalls" Martin telling Zimmerman "Whats your problem man?" and then she says she heard a "scuffle" or some such and the phone went dead. She then tried to call back Martin at 7:12. Which according to that image happened 1 min before Zimmerman placed the 911 call. So that would mean that she didn't even hear the running that happened.

Now What if....? mentioned that the time there for the dispatcher reflects when entries are made. My question to that is does the entries made by the dispatcher automatically present the time or does the dispatcher log the time themselves? In either case I don't see the "lag" as being that much...at most 1 minute would have passed before any thing was entered. And its not that hard to look at the bottom right corner of a computer screen to see what time it is so if the time was put int by the dispatcher themselves I would imagine it to be accurate. If the time is input automatically by the computer then it would have done so the moment he/she punched in the very first letter...which happens rather quickly. So I honestly don't think there would be any lag worth mentioning.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

I don't know where you have been. [...]
He was right here with the rest of us, watching you try to enter a call center log as proof of an exact timeline of external events (other than what it really is -- an exact timeline of when someone's fingers pressed some keys on a computer keyboard).

I was going to post something about it myself, but I was laughing too hard to type :2razz:
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Theres a law that say he can't follow a burglar? Can you show me that law?

Stalking and harassing someone on the street who hasn't committed a crime and is minding there own business, you mean? Because that's what happened. The burglar is hypothetical and irrelevant. There was no burglar in the actual event.
 
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Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

He was right here with the rest of us, watching you try to enter a call center log as proof of an exact timeline of external events (other than what it really is -- an exact timeline of when someone's fingers pressed some keys on a computer keyboard).

I was going to post something about it myself, but I was laughing too hard to type :2razz:

Are you trying to suggest that the dispatcher waited several minutes before typing anything into the computer? Do you know how unlikely that is? Even if the dispatcher waited, at most, all that the girlfriend would have heard was Martin running away from Zimmerman correlating with the time that Zimmerman is heard running on the 911 tapes. She certainly would not have heard Martin say "Whats your problem man?!" as that would have been heard on the 911 tape. So she is obviously lying about something.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Stalking and harassing someone on the street who hasn't committed a crime and is minding there own business, you mean? Because that's what happened. The burglar is hypothetical and irrelevant. There was no burglar in the actual event.

Oh so its "stalking and harassing" someone now is it? :roll: :doh
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Stalking and harassing someone on the street who hasn't committed a crime and is minding there own business, you mean? Because that's what happened. The burglar is hypothetical and irrelevant. There was no burglar in the actual event.

Really?

Could you post the link to this new evidence please?
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Really?

Could you post the link to this new evidence please?

since Zimmerman said that he spotted Treyvon quite a ways from where the "scuffle" happened... I would say that he was "stalked" in a sense.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

since Zimmerman said that he spotted Treyvon quite a ways from where the "scuffle" happened... I would say that he was "stalked" in a sense.

Key words there "in a sense". IE not exactly. IE word twisting.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

I don't know where you have been.
From day one, I was calling them an operator until the following statement clarified it.

Lee, the police chief, said in a statement that the police dispatcher's "suggestion" to Zimmerman that he did not need to follow Martin "is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmermann would be required to follow."

"Mr. Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," Lee said.

'Stand Your Ground Law' at center of Fla. shooting - Yahoo! News

To be completely honest, I generally avoid reading your posts.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

To be completely honest, I generally avoid reading your posts.

Since they don't bode very well for Martin supporters, I completely understand,
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

To be completely honest, I generally avoid reading your posts.
Interesting.
I appreciate your honesty.

Question?
How can one engage in an honest and intelligent discussion of the topic if they are not aware of all that has been said previously?
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Really?

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com



"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com



You don't know that.
"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com


Yeah, it pretty much is.
"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com



There was.

The investigation is still going, and what you posted doesn't support the person's statements I have been debating.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

No, it is irrelevant, along with everything else you said here.


Nonsensical speculation.

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com

It's speculation to believe he acted in self defense. Did you read your own quote?

The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

His father probably made up the whole story so I guess he is the one to ask about it. It keeps getting better and better. I can't wait for the next installment.
Anybody who doesn't go to a hospital for documentaion of his alibi after killing an unarmed man is either stupid or knows the "fix" is in and left the station that night without a care in the world. it looks more and more like Zims father has quite the pull with the Sanford Police and with 46 911 calls last year alone they have already put up with Zimm quite a bit.....Pus he doesn't look that stupid.

The story almost seems too good to be true for Z. Not only are there claims that Martin reached for his gun, but he also said "You're going to die tonight" while reaching for it. Something to that extent, so all his bases are covered. He had no reason not to believe his life was in threat. Luckily, he was able to reach his gun before Martin and shot him dead in the moment. It seems Z was better capable at accessing his weapon since they didn't wrestle for the gun.

What's hard to believe, is the entire story. To think an unarmed kid turned around to attack him and attempt to kill him, with his own gun, just doesn't add up to not. Not to mention that Martin didn't seem to be aggressive on the phone with his girlfriend. He seems to be more scared than anything. He wasn't talking like he was going to back and kick the guys ass or anything.

In the minutes nobody knows what happened, unarmed Martin turns into a violent aggressor?

It doesn't add up IMO.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Speculate much, or do you have a crystal ball?

People need to stop jumping on everybody's ass in this thread for speculation. Everybody is speculating, but some people don't realize it. If you think Z is telling the truth and nothing but the truth, you're speculating. If you think he is lying, you're speculating.

Everybody needs to get over other people speculating. The only time I have had an issue with others speculating, is when they don't realize they are and they're saying ALL THE EVIDENCE supports Z. ALL THE EVIDENCE isn't public knowledge, and there isn't much evidence supporting Z. It doesn't make him guilty of murder, but it doesn't prove he is telling the truth either.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

No it is not.
He also was not directed to stay in his truck by a dispatcher.

If only Trayvon had not acted out violently he would be alive today.

Nonsensical speculation.

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

People need to stop jumping on everybody's ass in this thread for speculation. Everybody is speculating, but some people don't realize it. If you think Z is telling the truth and nothing but the truth, you're speculating. If you think he is lying, you're speculating.

I have never said that I believe Zimmerman is telling the truth... All I have ever done is say that there is no evidence, or testimony from any witness, that contradicts what Zimmerman told the police about what took place.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Key words there "in a sense". IE not exactly. IE word twisting.

Whether it was stalking or not, he had no business following Treyvon. He is not a cop and has no right to approach someone who he feels as "suspicious".
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Whether it was stalking or not, he had no business following Treyvon. He is not a cop and has no right to approach someone who he feels as "suspicious".

IMO its everyone's buisness to watch, and yes if necessary, follow anyone that they think might be committing a crime. Maybe if people started poking their noses in when they think a crime is being committed there would be less crime happening. But no, people have to turn away and act like nothing is happening...even when something IS happening. This "not my buisness" crap is disgusting. Like the following video.

 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

He was right here with the rest of us, watching you try to enter a call center log as proof of an exact timeline of external events (other than what it really is -- an exact timeline of when someone's fingers pressed some keys on a computer keyboard).

I was going to post something about it myself, but I was laughing too hard to type :2razz:
If you had anything to counter what I said, you would do so.
So obviously you don't.




Further, this is from a bill so would only reflect calls actually answered for billing purposes. He would theoretically have voicemail, but she may not have waited to leave a message.
Uh yeah... no!

Yeah ... uh ... no... Not a bill.

Not billing records.

Phone logs. "obtained exclusively by ABC News"

Now I don't know about your phone service, but my phone logs show incoming calls that were unanswered.




Whether it was stalking or not, he had no business following Treyvon. He is not a cop and has no right to approach someone who he feels as "suspicious".
LOL
He had every 'right', and all the 'business' in the world following someone to keep them under observation until the police he called arrived.
And the evidence says that Trayvon approached him first.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

and what you posted doesn't support the person's statements I have been debating.
Really?
Lets see.

The evidence thus far, doesn't amount to much of anything.
Really?

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com

That was your blanket statement of: "The evidence thus far, doesn't amount to much of anything."
Obviously what you said was wrong.
Why is that?
Because,
"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com


But then you want to discount the quote and say the following.


It's speculation to believe he acted in self defense. Did you read your own quote?

The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com
Obviously you have trouble understanding what is quoted.

And attempt to do it again with the following:

Nonsensical speculation.

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com

For some reason you want to focus on the word "not" as it appears in different places without actually realizing what the whole says.
LOL


You originally said: "The evidence thus far, doesn't amount to much of anything."
And that is wrong.
There was a previous investigation.
That investigation had all the witness 911 calls and statements, Zimmerman's statements, as well as any physical evidence such as cuts, gashes, abrasions, from both Trayvon and Zimmerman.
And the following was said about it.
"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have,"
Fatal shooting of Florida teen turned over to state attorney - CNN.com

Since you do not understand what that means, let me help you.


With all the evidence that they had (in red) nothing exists to dispute Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. Nothing.
Nothing exists to establish that Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. Nothing.
Zimmerman's claim of self-defense stands because there is nothing to counter it.

And of the evidence available, we know that some of Zimmerman's account was corroborated.

That is the evidence they had then, and the evidence they have now.

Your statement of: "The evidence thus far, doesn't amount to much of anything."
Is ridiculous.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

IMO its everyone's buisness to watch, and yes if necessary, follow anyone that they think might be committing a crime. Maybe if people started poking their noses in when they think a crime is being committed there would be less crime happening. But no, people have to turn away and act like nothing is happening...even when something IS happening. This "not my buisness" crap is disgusting. Like the following video.

There is a thing called Common Sense too. It is an old term that is extremely lacking these days.

Yes, it is good to keep your eyes open in your neighborhood. I have caught car prowlers before in the middle of the night after seeing them bust a neighbor's car window.
But I do not get in my car and follow every pedestrian walking down my street.

If I had a 15 year old daughter who was walking a few blocks over to see a friend I appreciate knowing that if she was attacked in the middle of street there are good people who would come to her assistance.
I do care if some middle aged man decides to follow her just in case someone jumps out of the bush at her. As a matter of fact if I saw some guy following her like that I would probably get up in his face.
It is a thin line between observing and stalking.

I do not care to live in a Big Brother society where everything you do is monitored.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Beats me.
Maybe they did contact her and she told them the following the first time, but only later changed her story.


"Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell.
I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."
Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News



OMG. She was talking to him, lost contact, and tried to call him again but he didn't answer.


The article provided the following image to verify that what she said about being on the phone with Trayvon is accurate.
log.jpg



02/26/2012 07:04 PM Incoming
(First conversation)


02/26/2012 07:12 PM Incoming
("I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone.")



No further incoming calls fore that evening are listed.


Hey! Wait a ding dang minute.
Apparently Zimmerman was still on the phone with the Dispatcher when she says she tried to call Trayvon again and received no answer.

02/26/2012 07:13 PM Zimmerman requests LEO call before meeting.
(Hi-lighted on image in Red.)

"02/26/2012     19:13:41     COMPL NOW REQ LEO 1045 BEFORE 1056"

Timer.jpg

Haven't replied to this because I've been digging into this aspect.

I found a source that had pages of the call record in question, but it didn't "save" like my old phone used to and I can't find it now.

It appears it may be the GFs phone record and not Martins. They definitely report the call being discussed as having STARTED at 7:12. On the record I saw, the 7:12 call was 4 minutes. There wouldn't be a record of a call if no voicemail was left, (maybe not even then?).

Another interesting thing is the 911 call you can see on the "detail" image you posted. A call was made to 911 and and immediately there was a call back. Didn't get the length of this call.

As to the GF talking to the cops, she evidently hadn't (not sure why yet) but is now. This from an interview with Bondi on CNN with Piers Morgan on I believe the 26th or 27th.

So anyway, I'm digging and will bring what I dig up when I have it.
 
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