Transgender Victoria Secret Model - Breaking Down Barriers

[Acadia]

Yay! Another woman displaced from a lucrative career/job/medal/scholarship by a man.

 

[Fledermaus]

She. She's a she.

What does science say?

 

[VanceMack]

What does science say?

You cant focus on science and genetics...you have to focus on FEELINGS.

As long as you can put a BMW hood ornament and a fresh coat of paint on an old beat up piece of **** rusted out Ford Pinto, buyers should purchase it as a BMW...not an old beat up piece of **** rusted out Ford Pinto.

 

[Redress]

I didn't say that, I said DNA does.

Ummm...

You posted the point;

what people feel like doesn't change their biological designation.

Try and keep up with your failed arguments. You are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

 

[TheGoverness]

What does science say?

Biologically? She's a male. I don't think anyone is asking you to accept that she's biologically different than what she was born as. But she is transgender, and identifies as a female. With that in mind, wouldn't it be the decent thing to show respect to that, and address them as the gender that they choose to identify as? I think that's just common courtesy, but some people (not saying it's you) get a kick out of being assholes, and don't respect any of that. I think that's going out of your way to be rude and insensitive, and I don't like it.

 

[TheGoverness]

Victoria's Secret reportedly hires first transgender model - INSIDER

Maybe some people will start to rethink their preconceived notions about "transgender" after seeing this?

She's certainly sold me.

 

[Fledermaus]

Biologically? She's a male. I don't think anyone is asking you to accept that she's biologically different than what she was born as. But she is transgender, and identifies as a female. With that in mind, wouldn't it be the decent thing to show respect to that, and address them as the gender that they choose to identify as? I think that's just common courtesy, but some people (not saying it's you) get a kick out of being assholes, and don't respect any of that. I think that's going out of your way to be rude and insensitive, and I don't like it.

Indeed. I would respect her wishes and address her as she wishes to be addressed.

We agree that is common courtesy. Which unfortunately is all too uncommon in today's world.

 

[Redress]

It very much matters in the field of athletics.

I know it is hard to tell, only being mentioned in the thread title and story, but this is not about an athlete, but about a model.

 

[roughdraft274]

That wasn't the point, what people feel like doesn't change their biological designation.

And dying your hair brunnette doesn't change your natural hair color. And in the same way that I wouldn't care if a blonde wanted to live life as a brunette, I don't care if someone born a man wants to live as a female.

 

[Rexedgar]

Ima catch hell but this was all I could think of.........




:2wave:

 

[Lisa]

What's to rethink, DNA is DNA

That is as stupid as saying that because of their DNA they cannot be gay, bi or lesbian. A person's DNA does not define their psychological gender identity because if it did then trans people would not exist. Our DNA defines our physical bodies, but there can be more than XX or XY because of intersexxed people.
Transgendered people have the DNA of one gender and the psychological gender identity of another. Medical science cannot change their gender identity so it changes their physical gender, as much as medically possible with hormones and then surgery to align with their gender identity.

Why does it matter to you? Do you feel threatened by trans people or is it the fact that you believe a bible which is 1200 pages of bad fiction and bronze age bigotry? Do you feel strange when you see a trans woman and think she is attractive? Make you feel guilty about watching trans porn...........

 

[Dragonfly]

What does science say?

Interesting question.

Isn't science responsible for just about everything that makes it possible to transition?

 

[Fledermaus]

Interesting question.

Isn't science responsible for just about everything that makes it possible to transition?

Yes, and science says they are ____________?

 

[Sampson Simpson]

The simplest thing DNA can tell you is whether someone is male or female. It doesn't matter what hormones you take or surgeries you subject yourself to you're still male or female.

What about those that are XXY? They have 2 XX that should make them female but also have a Y chromosomes. Or how about hermaphrodites, or people that have both sexes organs? No, its not that simple

 

[Dragonfly]

Yes, and science says they are ____________?

I would assume science would "say" they're transgender, but I don't know.
What do you think science would "say"?

Plus, why does that matter so much? Or at all really?

 

[Fledermaus]

I would assume science would "say" they're transgender, but I don't know.
What do you think science would "say"?

Plus, why does that matter so much? Or at all really?

I would say it comes down to chromosome/DNA.

They are scientifically a male.

If I personally met him I would afford him the common courtesy of referring to him as her out of deference to her desires.

 

[Fledermaus]

What about those that are XXY? They have 2 XX that should make them female but also have a Y chromosomes. Or how about hermaphrodites, or people that have both sexes organs? No, its not that simple

For 99.9% it is that simple.

 

[Acadia]

I would say it comes down to chromosome/DNA.

They are scientifically a male.

If I personally met him I would afford him the common courtesy of referring to him as her out of deference to her desires.

Same here. She's a genetic male. I mean, that's just biology. But socially if he wants to live as a woman and be regarded with female pronouns, I'll play along.

 

[Dragonfly]

I would say it comes down to chromosome/DNA.

They are scientifically a male.

If I personally met him I would afford him the common courtesy of referring to him as her out of deference to her desires.

What about mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and in general every single specific thing that makes a person something other than just a physical being?
Why doesn't that count for more than just which set of genitalia a person is born with?

 

[Fledermaus]

What about mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and in general every single specific thing that makes a person something other than just a physical being?
Why doesn't that count for more than just which set of genitalia a person is born with?

Science disagrees.

If I self identify as a Chihuahua does that change my DNA?

 

[SheWolf]

Victoria's Secret reportedly hires first transgender model - INSIDER

Maybe some people will start to rethink their preconceived notions about "transgender" after seeing this?

Interested in seeing a before pic. I wonder how much money in plastic surgery it took.

 

[hanger4]

She. She's a she.

Biologically you would be incorrect.

 

[hanger4]

Ummm...




Try and keep up with your failed arguments. You are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

The DNA doesn't change, regardless of hormone therapy or surgery.

 

[Lisa]

I would say it comes down to chromosome/DNA.

They are scientifically a male.

If I personally met him I would afford him the common courtesy of referring to him as her out of deference to her desires.

Biologically she has a male body but we do not experience the world as only a body. We experience the world because of our brain. She is psychologically female and there is biological evidence to support the idea that trans people were born with the wrong gendered body for their psychological gender identity.

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age -- ScienceDaily

 

[Lisa]

Science disagrees.

If I self identify as a Chihuahua does that change my DNA?

Trans' people are not claiming that they are a different species, so drop the faulty analogy.