Three people have died in national parks since start of government shutdown (1 Viewer)

[JacksinPA]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ional-parks-start-government-shutdown-n954991

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

Three people have died in national parks around the country, including a 14-year-old girl who fell 700 feet down a canyon, since the start of the government shutdown, during which the Trump administration chose to keep the parks open.

At the Glen Canyon National Park in Arizona, the 14-year-old girl fell from the Horseshoe Bend Overlook on Christmas Eve, the Coconino County Sheriff’s Office confirmed.
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The individuals involved here seem to have left their common sense behind at the park entrances.

There will likely be copycats who want to experience the same sorts of catastrophes.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

That is sad, and while the shutdown is affecting the speed of the investigations, which IS an issue, the article headline gives the impression that the deaths are related to the shutdown. And it doesn’t appear that is the case.

 

[Kobie]

That is sad, and while the shutdown is affecting the speed of the investigations, which IS an issue, the article headline gives the impression that the deaths are related to the shutdown. And it doesn’t appear that is the case.

They’re really not. My lady knows more about national parks than most rangers and told me these weren’t really preventable by park staff. The only thing the shutdown affected was the investigations into the deaths.

 

[Cephus]

Then maybe the left needs to stop being a-holes and fund the wall.

 

[Lovebug]

Without the shutdown, they would have searched in the dark?

An Arizona Department of Public Safety helicopter wasn’t able to recover her body until the next morning, on Christmas Day.

Because of the shutdown

a man died after he slipped down a long, granite hill and fell into a river, injuring his head, according to the Associated Press.

Andrew Munoz, a spokesman for the National Park Service, told the AP that the investigation into the man’s death is taking longer than usual because of the ongoing shutdown. He added that the shutdown also delayed the park service's announcement of the man’s death.

last but not least, the shutdown caused

a tree to fall over on top of a woman and her 6-year-old son in Great Smoky Mountains National Park in Tennessee

 

[Felis Leo]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ional-parks-start-government-shutdown-n954991

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

Three people have died in national parks around the country, including a 14-year-old girl who fell 700 feet down a canyon, since the start of the government shutdown, during which the Trump administration chose to keep the parks open.

At the Glen Canyon National Park in Arizona, the 14-year-old girl fell from the Horseshoe Bend Overlook on Christmas Eve, the Coconino County Sheriff’s Office confirmed.
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The individuals involved here seem to have left their common sense behind at the park entrances.

There will likely be copycats who want to experience the same sorts of catastrophes.

That is sad, and while the shutdown is affecting the speed of the investigations, which IS an issue, the article headline gives the impression that the deaths are related to the shutdown. And it doesn’t appear that is the case.

Even with the National Park Staff on duty, Yosemite National Park (which is just a couple hours drive from where I live) has been a veritable death trap over the years. People have fallen to their deaths when hiking alongside the sheer cliffs, fallen from the rock walls and have been swept over the falls. The next time I go, I intend to remain with my feet well-planted on the Valley floor.

 

[Mr Person]

That is sad, and while the shutdown is affecting the speed of the investigations, which IS an issue, the article headline gives the impression that the deaths are related to the shutdown. And it doesn’t appear that is the case.

I think I was the first person to comment on the WaPo article about this.

One girl fell off a cliff (in OP). A tree fell on someone else, which can't give a person long if any time. And I forget what happened to the third but it didn't seem like something full funding of the park would have solved. (Besides, it was funded emergency services that responded anyway; how much life-saving work can a park ranger do vs. medical helicopter/etc?),

I also think the average is about 6 deaths a week in national parks. So...




Given all the genuinely awful **** Trump does, it really rubs me the wrong way to see articles written in a way that doesn't describe the proximate cause of an event but merely leaves it to vague implication that the event and the other thing they talk about might have been. "Well, there's a shutdown....and these people died...and here's a few paragraphs about people dying in nature....story over".

 

[Barnacle]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ional-parks-start-government-shutdown-n954991

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

Three people have died in national parks around the country, including a 14-year-old girl who fell 700 feet down a canyon, since the start of the government shutdown, during which the Trump administration chose to keep the parks open.

At the Glen Canyon National Park in Arizona, the 14-year-old girl fell from the Horseshoe Bend Overlook on Christmas Eve, the Coconino County Sheriff’s Office confirmed.
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The individuals involved here seem to have left their common sense behind at the park entrances.

There will likely be copycats who want to experience the same sorts of catastrophes.

I take it more than 1,000 deaths (excluding suicides) in national parks over 10 years - between 2006 and 2016 - must have all happened during government shutdowns ...

https://www.outsideonline.com/2161406/10-most-deadly-national-parks

 

[Kobie]

Then maybe the left needs to stop being a-holes and fund the wall.

Predictable as always.

 

[Kobie]

Without the shutdown, they would have searched in the dark?


Because of the shutdown


last but not least, the shutdown caused

Literally nobody in the thread, including the OP, has said the shutdown caused any of these. Do you know how to read?

 

[Superfly]

Even with the National Park Staff on duty, Yosemite National Park (which is just a couple hours drive from where I live) has been a veritable death trap over the years. People have fallen to their deaths when hiking alongside the sheer cliffs, fallen from the rock walls and have been swept over the falls. The next time I go, I intend to remain with my feet well-planted on the Valley floor.

Same as Grand Canyon. I saw people out on the edge of the rim all the time. One wrong move and they are pulling a Thelma and Louise - sans the car.

 

[Cephus]

Predictable as always.

About as predictable as Trump Derangement Syndrome on the left.

 

[Kobie]

About as predictable as Trump Derangement Syndrome on the left.

Um ... nobody in the thread blamed Trump for anything, and no wall (which YOU brought up) would prevent any of these deaths unless you built the wall 2 feet below a cliff in Yosemite.

 

[Cephus]

Um ... nobody in the thread blamed Trump for anything, and no wall (which YOU brought up) would prevent any of these deaths unless you built the wall 2 feet below a cliff in Yosemite.

Are you sure you puked your usual garbage onto the thread you meant to? Since this has nothing to do with the dirty, dirty Mexicans you're so terrified of, like at all.

Presumably the assumption here is that if the government wasn't shut down, there would have been more staff in the park that would have protected those people. But whatever, go back to your derangement.

 

[Kobie]

Presumably the assumption here is that if the government wasn't shut down, there would have been more staff in the park that would have protected those people. But whatever, go back to your derangement.

Um, nobody said that except you. Contributing your usual trash, I see.

The next time you post anything that isn't complete sewage will be the first time.

 

[j-mac]

Um ... nobody in the thread blamed Trump for anything, and no wall (which YOU brought up) would prevent any of these deaths unless you built the wall 2 feet below a cliff in Yosemite.

Given Jacksin's op history, there is literally no other reason he would post this.

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[RetiredUSN]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ional-parks-start-government-shutdown-n954991

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

Three people have died in national parks around the country, including a 14-year-old girl who fell 700 feet down a canyon, since the start of the government shutdown, during which the Trump administration chose to keep the parks open.

At the Glen Canyon National Park in Arizona, the 14-year-old girl fell from the Horseshoe Bend Overlook on Christmas Eve, the Coconino County Sheriff’s Office confirmed.
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The individuals involved here seem to have left their common sense behind at the park entrances.

There will likely be copycats who want to experience the same sorts of catastrophes.

People get killed in National Parks all the time even when the rangers are there.

Got anymore "trumpy" no brainers?

 

[Lovebug]

Literally nobody in the thread, including the OP, has said the shutdown caused any of these. Do you know how to read?

If we are discussing accidents in national parks, why mention the shutdown? Why did NBC News’ request for comment on the deaths and the impact of the government shutdown? Why did they mention

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

? Are you trying to tell me that no such implication was made? Are we to believe that NBC was only.....?

 

[markjs]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ional-parks-start-government-shutdown-n954991

A conservation advocate wrote the Trump administration urging closure of the parks “to protect the health and safety of park visitors."

Three people have died in national parks around the country, including a 14-year-old girl who fell 700 feet down a canyon, since the start of the government shutdown, during which the Trump administration chose to keep the parks open.

At the Glen Canyon National Park in Arizona, the 14-year-old girl fell from the Horseshoe Bend Overlook on Christmas Eve, the Coconino County Sheriff’s Office confirmed.
=======================================
The individuals involved here seem to have left their common sense behind at the park entrances.

There will likely be copycats who want to experience the same sorts of catastrophes.

They should all sue the president, and I hope they win. He should be bankrupted like he's done to the nation for his foolish policies.

 

[markjs]

Um ... nobody in the thread blamed Trump for anything, and no wall (which YOU brought up) would prevent any of these deaths unless you built the wall 2 feet below a cliff in Yosemite.

To be fair as soon as I saw the thread I hoped he'd get sued, then posted it. **** him.

 

[holbritter]

Literally nobody in the thread, including the OP, has said the shutdown caused any of these. Do you know how to read?

The thread title itself suggests it. Ease up.