There Is No American Left

[Redress]

No, the distinction between right and left in the given context.

Ahhh. You are one of those whose idea of debate is making **** up about those you disagree with. Well done!

 

[Republic Now!]

Ahhh. You are one of those whose idea of debate is making **** up about those you disagree with. Well done!

What the hell are you talking about? Most modern left-wing philosophies prioritize democracy over freedom. In America, our left still tends to care about freedom, which is why it is technically accurate to say "there is no American left."

 

[Boo Radley]

I really don't see how the Democrats or Obama are center-right wing.

To see you have to see where actual right wing is and where our right wing is. There is some truth to the lack f a traditional left as seen around the rest of the world.

 

[Henrin]

The world in general and the US itself have mostly abandoned most classic ideologies. Kinda stupid to have an 18th century ideology in the 21st century.

You appear to be assuming that the ideologies used today are newer than what we abandoned. Interesting.

 

[JayDubya]

Is that a direct quote of Hannity, or a paraphrased version?

If Hannity has managed to stumble onto an accurate statement, good for him.

 

[Boo Radley]

It's simple

Those on the left want to claim even rather typical republicans are "extreme right wingers" and thus to do s they must change the public perception that Democrats aren't by and large left leaning but are really right leaning moderates and thus the Republicans must be crazy extreme right wingers

It's always been a spectrum. Where you place the middle matters. If we compare what we see as middle to where Australia or other places see their middle, it would not be an exaggeration to say our left is more right than theirs.

 

[iliveonramen]

Too many "progressive" leftists and limousine liberals in the U.S who love gun control, affirmative-action, and radical feminism, and not enough socially conservative and blue-collar leftists. The Dems could steal the GOP's
thunder if they appealed more to white males and less to minorities and special interest groups like the Brady Campaign, NOW, La Raza, and the NAACP.

You mean the Democratic Party from 1940-1970?

 

[iliveonramen]

The Mandate was a right wing policy, as was cap and trade origionally, his financial team are all neo-liberals, and his policies all pro corporate anti-middle class and anti-worker.

He's just as authoritarian as Bush, and just as economically right wing as bush.

So true...all are measures that pad the pockets of rich elites but have enough social benefit to make it palatable to the left.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

What specifically?

I wouldn't say higher taxes on the rich, decreased military spending, support for banning guns/increased gun control, little desire to fix the deficit and turning a blind eye to illegal drug "legalization" make them center-right.

1.) No public option in the Affordable Healthcare Act
2.)Carried on the same bush policies when it came to foreign policy and can say he took it to new extremes with the drone strikes
3.)Bailed out big business and the banks, he helped the people that started this crisis.
4.)Deporting more immigrants in America than Bush ever did
5.)"Kill lists"
6.)Patriot Act still hanging around
7.)Continue supporting corporate welfare

 

[TheDemSocialist]

truth-out.org/opinion...

And you clicked. Hah! He got you.

You do realize this is the "US Partisan Politics and Political Platforms" section of DP right? You know the opinion section?

 

[ecofarm]

You do realize this is the "US Partisan Politics and Political Platforms" section of DP right? You know the opinion section?

I don't care if it's the Bugs Bunny subforum, your source is a joke. It reflects poorly upon the website.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I don't care if it's the Bugs Bunny subforum, your source is a joke. It reflects poorly upon the website.

:roll:
Oh god voicing an opinion i agree with how dare it go against the all might ecofarms standards

 

[ecofarm]

:roll:
Oh god voicing an opinion i agree with how dare it go against the all might ecofarms standards

I'm sorry, is my opinion not allowed?

Hopefully, you'll get a bunch of morons in here to validate your opinion, there's a lot of people who just believe whatever they hear regardless of source.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I'm sorry, is my opinion not allowed?

No its certainly allowed but to come here from the get go just playing it off as some loon opinion and comparing it to Press TV shows that you have made up your mind from the get go. Not even debating about anything about the article other than the source of trying to state your opinion if their truly is a leftist party in the US government.

 

[ecofarm]

The source is crap and the article is stupid.


Good luck.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

The source is crap and the article is stupid.


Good luck.

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Care to explain how the "source is crap" and the "article is stupid"?

 

[ecofarm]

Care to explain how the "source is crap" and the "article is stupid"?

Did, now I'll let you learn on your own. Have fun and good luck finding someone to agree.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No, I'll let you learn on your own.

Okie dokie :lamo

 

[ecofarm]

Okie dokie :lamo

It'll be funny until, weeks from now, you still don't have a single person who agrees with the BS article from a joke source. Maybe then you'll get the point.

 

[Fiddytree]

To see you have to see where actual right wing is and where our right wing is. There is some truth to the lack f a traditional left as seen around the rest of the world.

Yes and no. Part of it will naturally be lost in translation as a country or civilization's spectrum is relative. I think that is the distinction that is not considered most of the time by both the left and right (wherever). Conservatives in Britain are not merely greater acceptance of the welfare state than the US, but could also have more aristocratic sentiment than most American conservatives could stand to contemplate for even a moment.

As such, I submit that one very important thing to consider is that there is an American Left and an American Right, but it is frequently dependent upon its own national political inclinations that are not frequently translatable to another country.

 

[Paschendale]

Most of the article is quite correct, but it's not really talking about its subject. The issue is not how bad the Republican party's policies are. We know that already. The issue is how little the Democratic party actually differs, and how little it fights for actual left-wing ideals. Feeding, educating, and housing the poor are not priorities of the Democratic party. Lifting the lower class into the middle class is not a priority of the Democratic party. Keeping jobs in this country are not priorities of the Democratic party. Abolishing torture and war are not priorities of the Democratic party. Social equality and sexual freedom are, at best, nominal priorities of the Democratic party. The freedom from coercion from the majority religion is not a priority of the Democratic party.

There is no party that actually embraces and prioritizes left wing ideals in this country. There is the extreme right Tea Party, the right to far-right Republicans, and the center Democrats. I guess the Green Party is the closest thing we have to a left wing party, but it's kind of a joke.

The left needs to retake the Democratic party, and make it stop being essentially just a watered down Republican party.

 

[Ray410]

Your definition of "socialist" has never been a definition anywhere. Socialists were against the state from the begining, anarchists are almost all socialists, as are libertarian socialists, socialism is broad term for economic democracy.

Wrong. Read the definition below carefully and review the actions of Obama and the liberals carefully. It's important to not let your thinking be constricted by the fourth branch of liberal government, which is academia. Who do you think is driving the destruction of the American capitalistic system?

"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[2] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]............. Proponents of state socialism advocate the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

 

[Boo Radley]

Yes and no. Part of it will naturally be lost in translation as a country or civilization's spectrum is relative. I think that is the distinction that is not considered most of the time by both the left and right (wherever). Conservatives in Britain are not merely greater acceptance of the welfare state than the US, but could also have more aristocratic sentiment than most American conservatives could stand to contemplate for even a moment.

As such, I submit that one very important thing to consider is that there is an American Left and an American Right, but it is frequently dependent upon its own national political inclinations that are not frequently translatable to another country.

True enough. However, many here speak of America's left as if they are like the most left found elsewhere. Largely, by any measure, they are not the same.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

It'll be funny until, weeks from now, you still don't have a single person who agrees with the BS article from a joke source. Maybe then you'll get the point.

:lamo
Hahah ok ecofarm.
Its an op-ed piece buddy.
Sorry for agreeing with someones opinions.

 

[ecofarm]

:lamo
Hahah ok ecofarm.
Its an op-ed piece buddy.
Sorry for agreeing with someones opinions.

No prob, just sayin'