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The Transgender Programming of Children Is Child Abuse, Warns the American College of

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calamity said:
As to suicide hotlines for trans....check this out.

After North Carolina?s Law, Trans Suicide Hotline Calls Double - The Daily Beast

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Wait...you dont think the suicide rate for trans people being higher then the suicide rate for the general population could possibly be because discrimination against trans people and then you post this graph showing a correlation between anti trans legislation and calls to a suicide hotline for trans people.
 
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calamity said:
Oh look...another link that says the same thing, citing the same study. Is USA Today a Right Wing site too? :roll:

Lefties certainly have a hard time with accepting numbers that crap on their little gay agenda program. Were you not the same guy who questioned the CDC's data on HIV and men having sex with men?
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Which still doesn't show that trying to treat the transgenderism increases or causes the suicidal tendencies, which is what you have been asserting.

As to that CDC data on HIV, men having sex with men statistics is not reflective of homosexual behavior, because it includes straight men in prison, some of whom are forced to participate. That is what is under contention. The use of that study does not reveal what assertion was given. Same with your article. Again, even if your number is correct, you are not proving evidence that shows supporting data, and what data you do present does not support the assertion you are giving.
 
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maquiscat said:
I am saying that the article you linked has no actual supporting data or links to actual studies. So even if the 41% figure were correct, there is nothing you have presented that actually supported that. Additionally, since your assertion that SRS causes this rate instead of reducing it, your linked article also doesn't show the difference between before and after which is key to showing cause, even before you being to look for correlation/causation fallacy errors.
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That 41% figure is actually more or less correct.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

If a trans people attempted suicide sometime in their life even if it was before transitioning then it was counted. So it has nothing to do with SRS being effective or not.
 
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Omgitsme said:
That 41% figure is actually more or less correct.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

If a trans people attempted suicide sometime in their life even if it was before transitioning then it was counted. So it has nothing to do with SRS being effective or not.
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The SRS is what calamity has been saying is the cause of the suicide rate. So to support that claim, the evidence needs to be of post and pre transition transsexuals, not of the overall rage of both compared to the general population. Nor has anything he posted shown where other factors that are independent of being trans and can lead to suicide are accounted for. Additionally, the articles he is posting are not supporting the claim of what is the cause of the suicide rate. As for the study you linked, I already posted excerpts that state that the figures may well be inflated due to study limitations.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Simple Projection.

But hey, if that is what is required to personally get you through, I guess that is the best manner for you to best assimilate facts that you are just unwilling, under any circumstances, to accept.

When one allows one's whole world to revolve around that which is false, the eyes having long since adjusted, after perhaps decades of using those wrong, but steady and familiar trails, ruts now neatly deeply carved from overuse, its hard, nigh impossible to actually see truth... it no longer can seem as truth, but just as something diametrically foreign, alien... anomalous, to be quickly discarded without further thought.

What a comfortable hell that must actually be for you...
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This post is ironic, since it's entirety applies to you. If you weren't so uneducated on topics like these, perhaps you might be able to fare a bit better. Unfortunately, your humiliating is sealed when you choose to refuse to learn.
 
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Henrin said:
Nice job of attacking a poster and yet avoid an infraction for it. Bravo.
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Did I hurt your feelings too, Henrin?
 
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_Sal said:
:eek: it starts out sounding like a joke because it is a joke:roll:

who makes this kind of stuff up seriously
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I was waiting for the priest and the rabbi to walk in.
 
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Henrin said:
Anyone that endorses the current treatment and claims it is medically ethical behavior has no creditably to speak on any medical issue.
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Incorrect. The following has been shown, conclusively. The treatment is medically ethical. You have no qualifications to make this assessment. I understand that you have an uneducated opinion on this matter and certainly have the right to express it... just as I have the right to point out how idiotic and invalid this opinion is.

Oh and btw, he's right. How does it feel to have forty percent of your fields work go down the drain? Must feel good to know your work is bull****. It must feel even better to be reminded of the fact that people are aware your field is full of **** on a regular basis.
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How does it feel to never be correct on this issue, Henrin. Btw... you have run away from these comments a fewl times. I suppose I must post them again... to watch you cowardly run for the third time:

Henrin said:
Btw, tell me something that I got wrong when it comes to transsexuals. I'll wait.
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You have pretty much gotten everything wrong about transseuxals. I prove that on a daily basis. Here's just the beginning of things you have proven to be ignorant and/or uneducated on when it comes to transsexuals:

1) The fact that it is not a mental illness.
2) The fact that it is not a delusion.
3) The fact that >90% who have SRS are satisfied.
4) The fact that HRT and SRS nearly always resolve any mental health issues that might be associated with transsexuality, such as GDD.
5) The fact that you cannot tell if someone is a transsexual, proven by ME with pictures I've posted.
6) The fact that HRT and SRS are APPROPRIATE AND ETHICAL treatment for issues surrounding transsexuality.

Now, I could go on and list other things, but I believe that those reading this will get the point. And the point is that you either know nothing about transsexuality, or constantly lie about information surrounding it. Now I know your next move. You will either claim that I never proved you wrong on any of the points above, a complete falsehood, as I have done so with logic, facts, and links MANY times. OR, you will be dishonest and start claiming that your invalid opinions are actually facts... all of which have constantly been refuted.

So, no, Henrin. You have always been wrong on transsexuality. This has been shown and proven over and over.
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So, this is yet ANOTHER thread where calamity has posted facts and then LIED about what those facts mean.
 
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Henrin said:
Anyone that endorses the current treatment and claims it is medically ethical behavior has no creditably to speak on any medical issue.

Oh and btw, he's right. How does it feel to have forty percent of your fields work go down the drain? Must feel good to know your work is bull****. It must feel even better to be reminded of the fact that people are aware your field is full of **** on a regular basis.
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This post proves you have no idea what the one piece of research you and other anti trans people keep trying to reference as evidence for your side even says.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
This post is ironic, since it's entirety applies to you. If you weren't so uneducated on topics like these, perhaps you might be able to fare a bit better. Unfortunately, your humiliating is sealed when you choose to refuse to learn.
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Do you have all these lame attempts at put downs canned, just randomly picking from a list like you do your long list of silly fallacies that do not apply either?

Is it any wonder I have to keep using blah, blah banal, bland, boring, just plain tedious... to describe what you use, what you substitute for actual debate?
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Do you have all these lame attempts at put downs canned, just randomly picking from a list like you do your long list of silly fallacies that do not apply either?

Is it any wonder I have to keep using blah, blah banal, bland, boring, just plain tedious... to describe what you use, what you substitute for actual debate?
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I'm sure things would go better here if you actually offered some information that wasn't quickly and easily debunked. But since you don't, this is about all you get. Present something that is actually worthy of debate and perhaps we can discuss something.
 
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calamity said:
Googling some of those claims in the article lead directly to PDF files. You are free to read them.

Here's a nice "legitimate" source saying much the same thing.

Transgender study looks at 'exceptionally high' suicide-attempt rate - latimes
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Here is the primary source: National Transgender Discrimination Survey | National Center for Transgender Equality

Click on "Full Report," and pull up the PDF. On page 72 under "Key Findings in Health": "A staggering 41% of respondents reported attempting suicide compared to 1.6% of the general population, with unemployment, bullying in school, low household income and sexual and physical associated with even higher rates."
 
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nota bene said:
Here is the primary source: National Transgender Discrimination Survey | National Center for Transgender Equality

Click on "Full Report," and pull up the PDF. On page 72 under "Key Findings in Health": "A staggering 41% of respondents reported attempting suicide compared to 1.6% of the general population, with unemployment, bullying in school, low household income and sexual and physical associated with even higher rates."
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My point with presenting that data is that the numbers indicate that promoting trans behavior verses perhaps trying to prevent it or treat it by changing said behavior leads to disastrous outcomes. I cannot see how any mental health professional could discount that. The numbers are staggering.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
So, this is yet ANOTHER thread where calamity has posted facts and then LIED about what those facts mean.
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The lie is you saying Renee Richards does not regret having transsexual surgery.

Tennis champion Renée Richards, who went from male to "female" in the '70s, wrote, "I would have been better off staying the way I was – a totally intact person[.] ... I don't want anyone to hold me out as an example to follow[.] ... I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation ... and I discourage them all."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-confused-suicide-rate-ten-times-national-average
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Are you ready to walk that back yet?
 
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maquiscat said:
The SRS is what calamity has been saying is the cause of the suicide rate. So to support that claim, the evidence needs to be of post and pre transition transsexuals, not of the overall rage of both compared to the general population. Nor has anything he posted shown where other factors that are independent of being trans and can lead to suicide are accounted for. Additionally, the articles he is posting are not supporting the claim of what is the cause of the suicide rate. As for the study you linked, I already posted excerpts that state that the figures may well be inflated due to study limitations.
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Well they're just attempting to kill themselves because they were encouraged to identify as trans. If they were encouraged to do what other people want them to do, well that's the magical golden key to unlock happiness in some people's minds.

Funny how some people think they can read minds.

The idea that transgenderism can be encouraged or discouraged and discouraging it will have positive effects on the psyche is absurd.

Some people don't know the first thing about the science of human behavior. Psychological therapy only helps people cope with their conditions. We don't really know why people have them. Or if they can be cured.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Well they're just attempting to kill themselves because they were encouraged to identify as trans. If they were encouraged to do what other people want them to do, well that's the magical golden key to unlock happiness in some people's minds.

Funny how some people think they can read minds.

The idea that transgenderism can be encouraged or discouraged and discouraging it will have positive effects on the psyche is absurd.

Some people don't know the first thing about the science of human behavior. Psychological therapy only helps people cope with their conditions. We don't really know why people have them. Or if they can be cured.
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Yeah, because assimilating is never the right choice. :roll:

Come to America, don't learn the language. After all that whole "being forced to speak English" thing is oppressive.
Grow up in a bad neighborhood, speak Ebonics and wear pants that hang down below your ass. After all speaking proper English and wearing clothes that cover your ass is oppressive.
Turn 20 and want to start a life, tattoo your face and neck. After all, not expressing yourself is oppressive.
Be born with a dick, insist you are a woman. After all, not self-identifying your gender is oppressive.
 
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calamity said:
Yeah, because assimilating is never the right choice. :roll:

Come to America, don't learn the language. After all that whole "being forced to speak English" thing is oppressive.
Grow up in a bad neighborhood, speak Ebonics and wear pants that hang down below your ass. After all speaking proper English and wearing clothes that cover your ass is oppressive.
Turn 20 and want to start a life, tattoo your face and neck. After all, not expressing yourself is oppressive.
Be born with a dick, insist you are a woman. After all, not self-identifying your gender is oppressive.
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Your posts are a weirdly amusing cocktail of stereotypical prejudice aren't they.
 
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William Rea said:
Your posts are a weirdly amusing cocktail of stereotypical prejudice aren't they.
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I imagine to a liberal, socialist type asking people to speak English, speak it correctly, wear pants that cover their butts, not tattoo their faces and necks and act like the sex they were born to be would be some sort of prejudicial Nazi ****.
 
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calamity said:
I imagine to a liberal, socialist type asking people to speak English, speak it correctly, wear pants that cover their butts, not tattoo their faces and necks and act like the sex they were born to be would be some sort of prejudicial Nazi ****.
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Oh yes, that post really broke the stereotype didn't it calamity.
 
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William Rea said:
Your posts are a weirdly amusing cocktail of stereotypical prejudice aren't they.
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Look at the first line of it. "Choose to assimilate?" Well puerile with mental issues should just choose to not have them, just like a Mexican immigrant chooses to learn English.

What should anybody exec from songs who thinks the study of human behavior is babble.
 
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