justone said:
You produced some statements which already were explained on this site.
Well, evidently I didn't read their explanations, appease me. If God is
omnipotent, can he create another
omnipotent entity? Can he build a wall so tough that even he cannot tear it down? Can he defeat Iron chariots? :lol: To my understang, this fella is quite busy flying around heaven and earth, overseeing nature, creating every baby and assigning them all souls, managing 6 billion lives, finding husbands and wives for those that marry, supervising everyone's death, and still resting on the 7th day. All this is accomplished by an
omnipotent God who can't even ensure that even half of his creation believes that he even exists.LOL
Your reading of the Bible is a very common misunderstanding. See the replies to the question about Good and Evil and Free Will put in a form of mathematical equation.
Look, nothing evil can come out of something infinitley good, it's impossible. And we cannot have free will, cause how can a perfect God run things, if human decisions interfere?
As it was said about Evil, you are producing your personal judgment of atrocities.
O, so Hitler exterminating 3 million Jews was not an atrocity? I sure hope I am understanding you right, cause you sound like you go here alot
http://www.micetrap.net/:lol:
The Bible leaves judgment to God.
Blatant lie. The carpenter exersizes judgement quite alot actually. Even Paul has judgeing in his arsenal.
I agree in the most part with Rev, how He knows.
That's good to know.
Also the Bible is some guidance for us to look up where our choices are leading (see Rev’s reply).
I guess you can say that, even though I wouldn't put it like that.
How would you describe for us our choices without mentioning atrocities and “’punishments”” for wrong choices?
I'm not too sure of what you mean by this, but look at it this way. If God is
omniscinet and knows the future, he cannot be
omnibenevolent,
Cause it says numerous times in the bible that good and evil come from this God of yours, and he knowingly let atrocities happen to us, and the fact that he doesn't even attempt to stop them, speaks volumes about his
omnipotence.
Absence of such would undermine the meaning of choice. It would not matter left or right.
Ha, if he was
loving, he could create robots instead, who aren't programmed to do "evil", hence no atrocities, hence no sin, hence no need to string up the carpenter.
Who told you that Evil is acting against God’s Good (not your good)?
What are you talking about? The mere fact that there's evil in this world, tells me that this God cannot be
omnibenevolent. Why would a
loving God create people destined for hell, and why would he force people to spend eternity with him? And last time I checked, if you "steal" or committ any minor sin, you do not get a life sentence, so is it just that God hands out infinite suffering for crimes perpetrated in a human lifetime?
It may be a force which always determined to produce Bad but always produces Good in the end result. You have a choice to join the force, but with all your determination you will always produce Good. God will judge.
What is this babble? Your God uses others, orders rapes and killings. Actaully, it seems like there's 2 different Gods in the bible. In the OT, he was an egotistical, vengeful, baleful, murdering thug of a diety, and in the NT, supposedly he is the very same insecure fellow, who comes to earth in a human embryo, is born in a smelly stable, spends at least a year as a crying infant, and 16 more as a parent-disobeying kid, and finally, after hiding out like a ****ing criminal, dies the death like a theif, and lies in a tomb for 3 days.:lol:
See the above. ‘’→’’ ‘’↑’’ And add the opposite effect. You may join the Church for good and expect that if you do good things you will be awarded.
But, not unless you believe in God or Jesus. So if you are the best person on earth, always striving to aid others, donate all your possesions to the poor, if you don't buy into the Christian dogma, you're going to hell, and there's nothing you can do about it. Sounds fair to me.:lol:
God may consider such pre-calculation as a part you filthy business like intention to gain a profit in a trade with Him. ‘’→’’ Go to Him knowing you ahead of time etc. ‘’↑’’
Huh? You need some grammer lessons chap.
In the light of the above I just noticed that you were exercising your free will (choice) denying the existence of such. If you want to act on the base that nobody knows, or Flying Spaghetti Monster knows, or you know, or your self-assurance that you don’t care, it is you choice. I just would not call an intelligent look at reality.
The mere fact that I'm typing this, actually shows there's no God that knows all or can do anything. If he knew people would besmurge him, and did nothing about it, he must not give a rat's *** about us, thus not
omnibenevolent. And why did the carpenter say this:
Mark 14:7
The poor you will alwys have with you, and you can help them anytime you want. But you will not always have me.
Is Jesus suggesting that a
loving God will never help poor people, or cannot?
Are you proud that you already have a high school diploma?
Negative. I have a G.E.D. I don't see how this plays any significance to "The problem with God", Please stay on topic.
Does it make you educated? I am still learning.
I hope you're not trying to insult me, I cannot tell, hieroglyphics isn't my strong suit.
Apparently you have some special edition of the Bible with some special comments.
Nope. I have the NIV, thanks to the good ole folks at Zondervan Co.
Again you’re projecting your judgment, fears and superstitions on actions (ways) of God.
Dude, If I cannot project judgement or understanding of what he does, how can you for that matter? And how the **** do we know he commands worship?
The Bible says the point is nobody can know ways of God.
Ahh, I think Paul said that. I'd hardly use Paul as an example of anything good, after all he's a liar and he even admits he's not good. But then again, Jesus is a liar, and God is also one.
No doubt, you have to sacrifice when you make your choice (see the above) – you always sacrifice one part of your choice for another one. If it was so easy – what would be the meaning of choice? It is not inconceivable and/or completely unavoidable that you may have to sacrifice your blood in a certain situations of making a choice in your life. If you made a choice and sacrificing your blood makes you change your decision, - what is the value of you choice?
Again, based on choice of your words you are in the same circle of judging bad and good, and in your judgment you are using commonly interpreted Biblical understandings of what is good.
You noted fear as a part of human nature. Acting and making your choices you cannot avoid the fear of not reaching the desirable outcome of your action; and all other fears. Why don’t you concentrate all human fears in loving God in heaven and have no fears of whatever on the Earth. How else Jews could go through all atrocities and still carefully guard and preserve from strangers and barbarians the true history of humanity? Fear of God means no fear on the Earth. By the away, I avoid Rev’s judgment of Jews. God will work out the legalities and penalties of the contract without my legal advice. If I was not a barbarian and a stranger I won’t have a problem to be a Jew. But the only choice I have is to worship the same God through Jesus. Thanks Christ for the opportunity.
O man, poetic babbling. When it comes down to it, almost everyone in your holy book is a liar. Jesus practically claims that God will be a year-round Santa Clause, who will grant the faithful anything. Go ahead, cancel all your medical insurance, don't see the doctor, just pray. Tell me how that turns out.
I did not say selling. If to compare to many others I am not Bible literate. The trick of the Bible is it is not exactly for scientists or smart people or even literate people – it is designed to be for everyone , for all times and forever. And so far it has been meeting the design.
Yes, very many people own the bible and are close to it, but few have actually taken the time to plow through it.
You made me laugh . Couldn’t help. Just don’t make fun out of yourself.
What grammer defiency are you concocting now?