- Apr 28, 2005
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kal-el said:Yes, as a matter of fact, your sky pixie created hell, and it's very first occupants were angels that caused a rocus in heaven.(which he had to forsee, but couldn't stop). The bible doesn't give an account of when he created the angels, but I guess it must have been before he created the universe, because Satan had already turned and was in the garden as a serpent.
God doesn't see our lives as a written story and we are forced along according to the script we have. God is omnicient in that he knows all of me...even my deepest secrets. He knows my heart and he knows how I think. He knows my strengths and weaknesses. When I have a choice to make, He knows where each of those choices could lead and which one I am most likely to make if left to my own devices...but my possible choices can change completely if my next-door neighbor chooses to eat something different for breakfast. The future is not predetermined the way you say.
kal-el said:Actually, the God of the bible utilizes threats and violence to coerse people to follow him, so they really have no choice.
You've read the Bible, right? So you read the part where the Israelites entered into a contract with God. And you know about all the benefits they were entitled to by honoring the contract. The "threats and violence" you refer to were the penalty for breaking the contract. Do you consider "late fees" on your credit cards "threats and violence" to "coerce" you into making payments or do you accept that penalties are a necessary part of legal agreements?
kal-el said:What I don't quite get is why fundie Christians think a single abortion is so terrible, and think it's great that God drowned babies, pregnant women, all evildoers, etc. over 40 days? And if he can create the universe, why can't he make an ark, instead he had the alcoholic Noah slap it together, at a time when tools weren't yet invented nonetheless.
Well, I'm not a fundie Christian so I hesitate to speak on their behalf, but I think it goes like this: God created the world. It's His. He can destroy it if He wants. God created babies. They're His. We do not have the right to destroy them.
I'm not sure where you're going with the ark thing.
kal-el said:Our God, as opposed to others. It seems this "God" fellow gets quite on edge about Jews worshipping other Gods that he uses threats once again:
You totally missed my emphasis, but so long as you're here, God was "on edge" because the whole purpose of the contract was that God would be Israel's God and they would be His people. They agreed. They promised. But they broke their promise.