The False Teachings Of The Jehovah's Witnesses

[tosca1]

I’m pointing out the obvious flaw in the logic. Just because we don’t have the body of an ancient person, that doesn’t mean they ascended to Heaven.

The flaw is in your logic.

First of all - you are giving a non-believer's opinion on a subject matter that's supposed to be between believers of the New Testament.
ARE YOU A BELIEVER OF THE NEW TESTAMENT?

JW and I believe the same thing: THERE WAS A RESURRECTION.
However, they believe that it wasn't a bodily resurrection, that it was a spirit.

Unless you agree with JW?
You BELIEVE Jesus was resurrected as a spirit?



Second: we're not talking about any other ancient person.
We're talking about ONE PARTICULAR person. Jesus.
Thus, your comment is ........................IRRELEVANT!



A huge part of logic is in knowing............................................. if your response is appropriate to the subject matter.

 

[Questerr]

The flaw is in your logic.

First of all - you are giving a non-believer's opinion on a subject matter that's supposed to be between believers of the New Testament.
ARE YOU A BELIEVER OF THE NEW TESTAMENT?

JW and I believe the same thing: THERE WAS A RESURRECTION.
However, they believe that it wasn't a bodily resurrection, that it was a spirit.

Unless you agree with JW?
You BELIEVE Jesus was resurrected as a spirit?



Second: we're not talking about any other ancient person.
We're talking about ONE PARTICULAR person. Jesus.
Thus, your comment is ........................IRRELEVANT!



A huge part of logic is in knowing............................................. if your response is appropriate to the subject matter.

The “proof” of a bodily resurrection can’t be the lack of a body, though. Even if you believe in the Resurrection. There’s relatively few bodies of even famous people from the classical era that we know the locations of.

 

[tosca1]

The “proof” of a bodily resurrection can’t be the lack of a body, though. Even if you believe in the Resurrection. There’s relatively few bodies of even famous people from the classical era that we know the locations of.

THERE IS MORE IT than just the lack of a body!


That's why I said...................................................................... you have to know other details given in the Resurrection narrative!
Do your homework if you want to argue!

Lol - you're trying to debate about something that's way over your head............................that's the truth of it. Because yo hardly know anything about the Resurrection narrative!


Like I said, this is more of a discussion between believers!
Sure, non-believers can give their opinion. They can even debate about the subject. There are non-believers who have some knowledge of the Resurrection narrative.

If you want to interrupt, at least.....................................have something relevant to say!

 

[TypicalRussian]

The organization that calls itself, “Jehovah's Witnesses,” is just one among many religions that teach false teachings, and would not have merited an in-depth topic about it .....however, it is one of the most actively tenacious proselytizers,
using the name of Christianity. In that regard, it is one of the most, if not the most dangerous modern-day cult there is.


If someone out there seeks religion, a good question would be to ask yourself: why?
What is your purpose?

If your purpose is to have all that is promised by the Christian God – eternal life with God that comes with salvation – then, you owe it to yourself to dig deeper, and heed the numerous warnings that are in the Scriptures
about false teachings, and wolves in sheep's clothings.


When we really think about it, there are only two important things to remember: FAITH IN CHRIST, and OBEDIENCE.
Those two, come together.


John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”




..................”who BELIEVES IN ME.....,” is a simple and yet, quite loaded statement.


Believing in Christ means, you accept HIM and everything He taught, and believe what He claims about Himself as THE TRUTH.
There is nothing that needs to be edited, or “sanitized” with what He said. There s nothing for us to correct about Him.
And yet, in numerous cases that's what's JW seems to be doing about Jesus Christ. Downplaying Him. Editing Him. Correcting Him.

That is important. If we are to obey Christ and preach to nations, we have to do as precisely as we can, as He instructed:


Matthew 28
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”




What are the features of THE TRUE Christian religion?
It does not contradict or gets into conflict with any message in the Bible.
It is consistent with the message in the Scriptures.
Since the Scriptures can stand on its own, the true religion can HONESTLY stand to scrutiny as well, and can HONESTLY defend itself thru the Scriptures.
It is our GOD-given tool!

2 Tim 3
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.




JW disciples are indoctrinated with their own man-made bible which is named, New World Translation, along with various media that are created by the organization. Among them, The WatchTower magazine.
It is said that they are forbidden to read any other religion-based materials by outside sources.
It is said that JW holds regular “book studies,” where-in its disciples are constantly exposed to counter CHRISTIAN teachings, so much so that it is also said, an average Jehovah's Witnesess disciple can easily clobber
an average Christian defending his Christian belief.



It is the purpose of this thread to EXPOSE the lies, and bring them to light...... through the Word of God.
It is the purpose of this thread to warn others from being led astray by the false teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is the purpose of this thread to reach out to JW disciples, and provide them with points of direction.........that they may hopefully, see and hear............and, stop the spread of lies.



JW apologists are welcomed to correct any mistakes or misconceptions about their belief or organizations.



What are the false teachings of the JW? It's hard to decide which among the many should be given first. There are so many false teachings to unpack. Some teachings may seem so petty, but upon closer look,
they are equally devastating to one's understanding of the Gospel and the Bible, and lead one to confusion, and detrimentally, to erode one's faith in God (which is the intention of the devil).

These are the false teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, not necessarily in any order or ranking.

very informative

 

[Daisy]

 

[LittleNipper]

YOU do believe CHRIST is "a" GOD. The Bible clearly says that there is but ONE GOD. "Jehovah Witnesses" have a serious problem.

 

[Daisy]

YOU do believe CHRIST is "a" GOD. The Bible clearly says that there is but ONE GOD. "Jehovah Witnesses" have a serious problem.

ONE TRUE GOD...the Bible mentions many Gods...I worship only ONE...Jehovah...the problem lies with worshipping 3..

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The organization that calls itself,

One false organization accusing another false organization.

 

[LittleNipper]

ONE TRUE GOD...the Bible mentions many Gods...I worship only ONE...Jehovah...the problem lies with worshipping 3..

I don't worship three gods. I worship 1 GOD that exists as three units, parts, or beings. But you worship CHRIST, you MUST bow before HIM and declare HIM LORD. And then you have HIS FATHER and you worship HIM --- 2 GODS! Or, are you saying CHRIST is not TRUE? IS CHRIST a FALSE god? Is that what you believe? You have the problem and I follow the REVELATION of the NEW TESTAMENT. If you can only worship your Jehovah, then you cannot worship CHRIST. But the Bible commands us to worship CHRIST and so you have a paradox. With the TRINITY Doctrine, there is no paradox but there is a mystery. And the Bible reveals that yes, there is a mystery. But I feel that comes from sects like JWs and Mormons and others attempting to evaluate GOD as a human and not as a SUPERNATURAL CREATOR of EVERYTHING and that exists. GOD isn't your nextdoor neighbor who somehow discovered magical powers. GOD is eternal. GOD created, GOD holds the Universe together. GOD is PERFECT. GOD is without an equivalent that is even close.

 

[Daisy]

But the Bible commands us to worship CHRIST

Where?

 

[LittleNipper]

Where?

1 Thess. 5:21, Philip. 2:10-11, Romans 11:12 & 14:10, Hebrews 9:27, Isaiah 45:23

 

[Daisy]

1 Thess. 5:21,

Um no...not even close...lol...

Philip. 2:10-11

Um no...that means recognizing Jesus’ position and submitting to his authority..."to the glory of God the Father"...God is still the only One who deserves our worship...

Romans 11:12

Um no...not even close...lol...

14:10

Um no...not even close...lol...

Hebrews 9:27

Um no...not even close...lol...

Isaiah 45:23

Um no...

 

[tosca1]

Well, I think some of us have an idea what JW believe. They're teaching those beliefs, right?

This thread is going to show - IN DEPTH - why those beliefs are false.
If you haven't noticed yet, I'm dissecting JW arguments for those beliefs.
And because I'm trying to do it as thorough as I can, it takes some time with each issue. But don't worry, we'll eventually get to the other false teachings.

I don't know what you're saying with your post.
If you want to refute or give any rebuttals to the evidences that I gave (which shows JW teachings to be false), then you're welcome to do so.


Simply stating your belief wouldn't cut it. Sorry.

 

[tosca1]

ONE TRUE GOD...the Bible mentions many Gods...I worship only ONE...Jehovah...the problem lies with worshipping 3..

Glorifying is worshipping!

You do glorify Christ, right?
If you're observing the commemoration of His sufferings and death for us - that's GLORIFICATION!
You are glorifying Christ - as He's the one who suffered PHYSICALLY, and died PHYSICALLY for our redemption!


1 Peter 4
Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.


Because, God is Jesus Christ in human form!
Why do you think God is the ONLY SAVIOR?



Isaiah 21
.... and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.



Isaiah 44
24 “I am the Lord, your savior;
I am the one who created you.
I am the Lord, the Creator of all things.
I alone stretched out the heavens;
when I made the earth, no one helped me.

 

[tosca1]

One false organization accusing another false organization.

I don't represent any organization so I don't know what other "false organization" you refer to.
I'm relying on the Scriptures alone.

If you want to pursue your argument further - create a thread for it.
This thread is devoted to the JW.

Kindly read the OP.

 

[tosca1]

ONE TRUE GOD...the Bible mentions many Gods...I worship only ONE...Jehovah...the problem lies with worshipping 3..

....which you do!

Since you don't believe all three are One and the Same, you're glorifying three, separate beings.


Why do you think Jesus used the singular for all Three? Even your own NWT has it written in singular.


Matthew 28
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,o baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,



I suppose you missed editing that, eh?

 

[tosca1]

Where?

Matthew 2
2 “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”


Matthew 2
11 And after they came into the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary; and they fell down and worshiped Him. Then they opened their treasures and presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.


Matthew 14:33
And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”


Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.


John 9:38
38 And he said, “I believe, Lord.” And he worshiped Him.





Why does Jesus accept the worship without any rebuking or correcting when worship should all be to God?





Luke 4
8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”




Serve God alone.
If Christ is not God..............................wouldn't that be another contradiction to these teachings by the apostles?
Why is it that it is Christ we serve?


Colossians 3
24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.

13 Bible verses about Serving Christ

A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic

bible.knowing-jesus.com

 

[Daisy]

There are many things people do in the Bible that are against God's commandments...doesn't make them any more right...I follow what Jesus said...

"In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Luke 4:8

 

[tosca1]

There are many things people do in the Bible that are against God's commandments...doesn't make them any more right...I follow what Jesus said...

No.
You are following what the organization, Jehovah's Witnesses, says.
You are preaching what they say, too.
As shown.

"In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Luke 4:8

That's why...................................... JESUS is GOD!
Otherwise........you are following not only an inconsistent teaching, but a false messiah!
How can He teach that and yet His apostles are saying differently?
They're saying, we serve Christ!

Read post #92 again.


Furthermore, how is that a response to the JW belief that are contradictions to the rest of the Scriptures??

 

[LittleNipper]

There are many things people do in the Bible that are against God's commandments...doesn't make them any more right...I follow what Jesus said...

"In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Luke 4:8

What does Luke 4:8 mean? | BibleRef.com

Jesus replied to him, 'It is written: ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE Lord YOUR God AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’?' - What is the meaning of Luke 4:8?

www.bibleref.com

How do trinitarians explain Luke 4:8, if he's a God himself?

How do trinitarians explain Luke 4:8, where Jesus responded to Satan's question his request to worship him: Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and ...

christianity.stackexchange.com

Jesus is Tempted to Abandon Serving God (Luke 4:1-13) - Theology of Work

Explore free resources providing a Biblical perspective on faith and work. Used by workplace Christians, pastors and scholars.

www.theologyofwork.org

Jesus was at this time also MAN and as man fulfilling the roll of Adam and telling Satan exactly what the believer should tell Satan.

 

[tosca1]

To make it convenient for those interested, here's a recap of what had been given:


#2 Trinity (Triune God)
#3 JW changes phrase of Genesis 1
#4 False Teaching: Soul Dies With Physical Body; Adam and Eve
#5 Continuation Soul Dies With Physical Body; Jesus is God (Omnipresence)
#13 “Believing In Jesus Christ” – what it means
#18 JW changes John 1:1 and contradicts Isaiah 43:10
#21 Why is it dangerous?
# 24 Wasn't Jesus called a leader of a cult?/Comparison to altering Harry Potter

#27, 28, 29, 30 Jesus Is The Archangel Michael
#40 Why don't JW celebrate Christmas?
#40 Continuation Jesus is the Archangel Michael
#41, 42, 43 Why Don't Jehovah's Witnesses Celebrate Christmas?
#44 Addendum: Jesus Christ Is The Archangel Michael


#45 Article (9 Things You Should Know About JW) – thanks to LittleNipper
#46 10 Questions To Ask a JW (thanks to LittleNipper)
#50 Video – JW misquoting Greek scholar, Julius Mantey
#51 Explanation of the Spirit (thanks to Logicman)
#57 Challenge Question repeated to Elora (which has been avoided in another thread).
#58 Rebuttal
#61, 65, 66 No Bodily Resurrection
#71 Rebuttal of LittleNipper to JW




Another false teaching by the JW:


NO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, NO HELL

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/

The scriptures says it clearly that a place for eternal torment called hell, is just as real as heaven.




Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


2 Thessalonian 1:9
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,


2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;


Mark 9:43
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.


Daniel 12: 2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


John 5:29
And come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.


Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”


Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Revelation 20:15
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”





In fact, there is dire warning for anyone who would add to, or remove anything from the Books of Revelation.




Revelation 21
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

 

[Rumpelstil]

Did you read the OP? The point should be obvious.
If you want to bring up and discuss the false teachings of other religion/churches - kindly create your own thread for it.

Funny that you should ask.

Are you not one of those "Witnesses" yourself?

And if not, your "teachings" are just as wrong as theirs.

 

[tosca1]

ADAM WAS CREATED PERFECT


If Adam Was Perfect, How Was It Possible for Him to Sin?

It was possible for Adam to sin because God created him with free will. That gift is not at all in conflict with the fact that Adam was perfect.
In truth, only God is perfect in the absolute sense. (Deuteronomy 32:3, 4; Psalm 18:30; Mark 10:18) Perfection in anyone or anything else is limited.
For example, a knife might be perfect for cutting meat, but would you use it for eating soup? A thing is perfect only in relation to its purpose.

Thus, when Adam sinned, his Creator did not need to correct some design flaw but rightly placed the blame squarely on Adam.
(Genesis 3:17-19) Adam had failed to let love for God and right principle motivate him to be obedient to God above all.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20081001/If-Adam-Was-Perfect-How-Was-It-Possible-for-Him-to-Sin/

Perfection, in the biblical sense means without fault, shortcomings or defect.

If God is perfect in the absolute sense - how could He have created Adam with what JW had called, "design flaw." That is a contradiction in itself.
Adam did not design himself. GOD did!
GOD made Adam the way He wanted Adam to be. No flaws there, concerning His design. Unless JW thinks God isn't that perfect - that He's capable of making mistakes.
The flaw is in the false interpretation that JW wants to promote.



If Adam was created to have free will - he was created to be open to the possibility of .................................erring.
In other words, that he was created with free will means, he was not created perfect.

Adam was nothing like Jesus Christ. JW is confusing "innocence" with perfection.
Adam and Eve's naivete can be likened to a very young child's innocence, in believing without any question what the serpent had told them.
Since that is a flaw (considering the result and fall-out from it), therefore they were not created perfect.


Furthermore, how can Adam be perfect?

A perfect Adam wouldn't be falling into temptation.
A perfect Adam wouldn't have resulted in the fall of mankind!
A perfect Adam wouldn't have resulted in the need for a Messiah!
A perfect Adam wouldn't have resulted in the fulfillment of the prophecy.

 

[tosca1]

JW false teaching:


Was Moses the mediator between Jehovah God and mankind in general? No, he was the mediator between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants.
Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind.

He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.


(paragraph 16, under heading, "The Way To Enjoy Peace With God")

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101986071#h=39

Lol - talk about not just throwing away.............................................. but, also burning the GOSPEL!



What happened to I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE?
What happened to I am the gate?
What happened to Christ, dying for the sins of mankind? That resulted in reconciliation with God?


A mediator is one who mediates, that is, one who acts as an intermediary to work with opposing sides in order to bring about a settlement.
A mediator attempts to influence a disagreement between two parties with the goal of resolving a dispute.
There is only one Mediator between mankind and God, and that is Jesus Christ.
In this article, we’ll see why God has a dispute with us, why Jesus is our mediator, and why we are doomed if we try to represent ourselves alone before God.

What does it mean that Jesus is our mediator? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that Jesus is our mediator? What do we need Jesus to mediate between us and God?

www.gotquestions.org

What do we do with these verses?

1 Tim 2
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at [e]the proper time.
7 For this I was appointed as a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.


Col 1
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.




Even JW's NWT, still has that verse.


1 Tim 2 (NWT)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/1-timothy/2/

It squarely contradicts their false teaching.
They must've missed changing that part.

 

[tosca1]

And, I looked at the time and realized I'm missing my Sunday Gospel on tv! Had to get to it!
And when I tuned in - RIGHT ON CUE - it's a two-stones- in-one - so relevant to this, and, to the other thread with Elora!