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That's exactly what you did, yes.
Please explain how I am making excuses when I find both sides' behavior despicable.
That's exactly what you did, yes.
Anyone remember the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?
Moreover, people who actually viewed the entire video know he was referring to the report that 5 nations had probably hacked her private server before she was allowed by the FBI to delete 30000 "personal" emails before having the remainder reviewed by the investigators.
So he was making a joke that if the Russian's were the hackers (as opposed to the Chinese or other three alleged possibilities) it would please the press if they find them and release them. He never asked the Russians to hack her server.
It was that Russia was involved at all, until it was shown that our intelligence agencies were correct and they were involved, then you shifted gears to arguing it happened but he wasn't involved. He stood in front of the entire world on live TV and told the Russians to hack his opponent, so they did. Not sure how that's not collusion.
No.
In point of fact, his exact words were "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
He did not ask them to "Hack Hillary." The 30,000 email's referred to were already deleted from Hillary's private server...hence the "missing" emails.
It is a blatant misrepresentation of what he actually said, clearly in jest in any case, and a continued falsehood your side has been perpetuating.
The fact the GRU attempted a hack later is no evidence of anything. Correlation does not imply causation. :coffeepap:
Except no one, not Mueller or anyone else in authority, has ever suggested that Trump's statement was anything other than a joke.
I repeat -- anyone with a brain knows it was a joke.
Besides -- the DNC was hacked July 25th and Trump made his comment two days later.
Don't you mean that the DNC hack became public knowledge on 7/25 (probably a WikiLeaks release)? Who knows how long ago the DNC was actually 'hacked'?
To be perfectly honest with you, Cap'n, I tend to agree with a lot of what you've got here. You won't see a lot of posts from me about the investigation, other than to say that in my opinion (which is all I get, since I'm not American) the investigation should take place...or if I happened to be feeling salty and flippant at the time...hehe... But my stance has always been have the investigation, but react to the judgement. Doing otherwise could come off as "crying wolf", but worse, one could be putting themselves into a frenzied state that they will be embarrassed for if the findings come down other than they thought it would. And, of course, the worst outcome is the further division this creates, maybe for nothing... Of course, this is a debate forum, so speculation is allowed...so long as it is qualified as speculation.
That said, while I can understand the tendency of Trump's supporters (or level headed folks simply sitting on the fence, if to a lesser extent) to use these unproven opinions and theories being presented as fact by Trump's critics to simply write the allegations off altogether, I would hope that they, too, would be disciplined enough to keep an equally open mind, should the results come back other than what they want them to be. Using the Left's (or whatever portion of the Left, let's not broad brush) desire to "assume the sale" as an excuse to ignore official results, writing them off as some Leftist conspiracy, would be equally wrong and credibility damaging (not accusing anyone of that, of course, since we don't have those results yet, so who knows how people will act, this is merely cautionary).
However...I wish there was some parallel parable to the little boy who cried wolf (maybe there is, perhaps someone can let me know) that spoke to the fact that when one finds themselves in one scandal, perhaps they can be given the benefit of the doubt, but at some point it is difficult to ask for that as the scandals pile up. Maybe the same parable applies, I'm not sure, I'm only about three sips into the first coffee of the day...hehe... But I think you get what I'm saying. Whether your president is truly guilty of all the scandals piling up against him, or he has been so ineffectual at capturing the public's support (because he is ALL of America's president, not just those that agree with him...he is supposed to serve you all, if I understand the job correctly) that he can't get out from under "fake" attacks, he is equally impeded from doing his job - partially or completely can be debated, I'm sure.
I think there are enough real things going on to be concerned. Whether Trump's problematic (we'll call it problematic instead of disastrous to avoid instigating an off topic debate) foreign policy is tied to Russian collusion or not, the results are still "problematic". There's enough real stuff to be worried about that folks should have plenty to keep them busy without jumping to conclusions regarding unfinished investigations.
So, Cap'n, I guess I'm agreeing with you today.
Anyone remember the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?
I found the shortest video version for your edification:
(Warning: Foul language.)
I bring this up because that's how I see many on the Progressive-Left and in the MSM acting ever since President Trump was elected.
Story after story about how some action by the Mueller investigation, or revelation by some anonymous information source, or even some side-show (like Stormy Daniels) is going to be "the wolf" that eats Trump, proving once and for all Trump stole the election through some dastardly trick.
That he'll finally be impeached, and the world will be all roses and sunshine again.
Yet each time the "Wolf! Wolf!" turns out to be nothing; a false alarm which raised hopes then had to be quickly dropped. Subsequently a new "revelation" occurs, and "Wolf! Wolf!" is cried loudly and clearly again only to end up with no wolf after all.
Most recently it is the indictment of 12 Russian GRU agents, one of whom pretended to be a Romanian hacker using the name Guccifer 2.0.
Apparently, per our wolf-crying peers, Roger Stone is now the new "certain connection" to Russian collusion which will finally tie all the loose strings together to oust Trump so that truth, justice, and the American Way will prevail. :roll:
Yet it all remains (as usual) blatant speculation and conspiracy theory touted as "Truth!" :yes:
Has anyone thought that it might be better to simply let the investigation run it's course?
That IF any actual tie to the President or his Administration FACTUALLY comes to light, and indictments are presented stating so, THEN would be the time to shout that a "Wolf!" has entered the fold?
Until then, all this "crying wolf" sounds like desperately bored and frustrated shepherd boys trying to keep relevant when they know there is no actual wolf.
Just like in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, if something ever does show up, the townspeople will just ignore it because they have no reason to believe you anymore.
Many people, including myself, are already there. Hence our silence when a new Anti-Administration thread is posted in the Forum which becomes an echo-chamber for the wolf-criers. :coffeepap:
Under Kerry (Obama administration) the State Department gave 300,000 dollars to a OneVoice who used the money to build their infrastructure to try to change the elections in Israel. Their mission was to oust Netanyahu. Maybe this is just another example of the liberals double standard. It's okay if they want to do it to someone else but not okay if someone does it to them. Maybe we should look at our government's actions also.
Mueller's team did everything they could to avoid discovery in the hearings for one company that stepped up to the plate in court in regards to the indictment against them. I suspect that The investigatory team didn't think that anyone would challenge them while hiding out in Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if these indictments were just for show.
Anyone remember the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?[/B
I bring this up because that's how I see many on the Progressive-Left and in the MSM acting ever since President Trump was elected.
Story after story about how some action by the Mueller investigation, or revelation by some anonymous information source, or even some side-show (like Stormy Daniels) is going to be "the wolf" that eats Trump, proving once and for all Trump stole the election through some dastardly trick.
That he'll finally be impeached, and the world will be all roses and sunshine again.
Yet each time the "Wolf! Wolf!" turns out to be nothing; a false alarm which raised hopes then had to be quickly dropped. Subsequently a new "revelation" occurs, and "Wolf! Wolf!" is cried loudly and clearly again only to end up with no wolf after all.
Most recently it is the indictment of 12 Russian GRU agents, one of whom pretended to be a Romanian hacker using the name Guccifer 2.0.
Apparently, per our wolf-crying peers, Roger Stone is now the new "certain connection" to Russian collusion which will finally tie all the loose strings together to oust Trump so that truth, justice, and the American Way will prevail. :roll:
Yet it all remains (as usual) blatant speculation and conspiracy theory touted as "Truth!" :yes:
Has anyone thought that it might be better to simply let the investigation run it's course?
That IF any actual tie to the President or his Administration FACTUALLY comes to light, and indictments are presented stating so, THEN would be the time to shout that a "Wolf!" has entered the fold?
Until then, all this "crying wolf" sounds like desperately bored and frustrated shepherd boys trying to keep relevant when they know there is no actual wolf.
Just like in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, if something ever does show up, the townspeople will just ignore it because they have no reason to believe you anymore.
Many people, including myself, are already there. Hence our silence when a new Anti-Administration thread is posted in the Forum which becomes an echo-chamber for the wolf-criers. :coffeepap:
The people didn’t make their decision to pay the boy no heed at the very moment he cried wolf that last time. No, they decided not to take him seriously at the end of the episode before that one. Allow me to illustrate.
1) Boy cries wolf when there is no wolf. People come. Walk away miffed.
2) Boy cries wolf when there is no wolf. People come. Walk away miffed.
3) Boy cries wolf when there is no wolf. People come. Decide to not trust him again.
Still don’t trust him.
Keep scrolling down.
Still don’t trust him.
Keep scrolling down.
Still don’t trust him.
Keep scrolling down.
Still don’t trust him.
Keep scrolling down.
Still don’t trust him.
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4) A real wolf arrives. Boy cries wolf. People don’t come. They haven’t trusted him since (3).
During the time the people no longer trusted him he may have continued lying. Nobody believed him.
You could be right - unless it is a guy who looks like a drunken and unwashed Johnny Depp who provided you with the treasure map.
Trump does not appear to have had any hand in the release of the DNC server hacked material from Wikileaks to the MSM.
Anyone remember the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?
I found the shortest video version for your edification:
(Warning: Foul language.)
I bring this up because that's how I see many on the Progressive-Left and in the MSM acting ever since President Trump was elected.
Story after story about how some action by the Mueller investigation, or revelation by some anonymous information source, or even some side-show (like Stormy Daniels) is going to be "the wolf" that eats Trump, proving once and for all Trump stole the election through some dastardly trick.
That he'll finally be impeached, and the world will be all roses and sunshine again.
Yet each time the "Wolf! Wolf!" turns out to be nothing; a false alarm which raised hopes then had to be quickly dropped. Subsequently a new "revelation" occurs, and "Wolf! Wolf!" is cried loudly and clearly again only to end up with no wolf after all.
Most recently it is the indictment of 12 Russian GRU agents, one of whom pretended to be a Romanian hacker using the name Guccifer 2.0.
Apparently, per our wolf-crying peers, Roger Stone is now the new "certain connection" to Russian collusion which will finally tie all the loose strings together to oust Trump so that truth, justice, and the American Way will prevail. :roll:
Yet it all remains (as usual) blatant speculation and conspiracy theory touted as "Truth!" :yes:
Has anyone thought that it might be better to simply let the investigation run it's course?
That IF any actual tie to the President or his Administration FACTUALLY comes to light, and indictments are presented stating so, THEN would be the time to shout that a "Wolf!" has entered the fold?
Until then, all this "crying wolf" sounds like desperately bored and frustrated shepherd boys trying to keep relevant when they know there is no actual wolf.
Just like in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, if something ever does show up, the townspeople will just ignore it because they have no reason to believe you anymore.
Many people, including myself, are already there. Hence our silence when a new Anti-Administration thread is posted in the Forum which becomes an echo-chamber for the wolf-criers. :coffeepap:
Patience my friend... patience.
Yep, it has only been two years, after all - something might turn up eventually.
Under Kerry (Obama administration) the State Department gave 300,000 dollars to a OneVoice who used the money to build their infrastructure to try to change the elections in Israel. Their mission was to oust Netanyahu. Maybe this is just another example of the liberals double standard. It's okay if they want to do it to someone else but not okay if someone does it to them. Maybe we should look at our government's actions also.
Mueller's team did everything they could to avoid discovery in the hearings for one company that stepped up to the plate in court in regards to the indictment against them. I suspect that The investigatory team didn't think that anyone would challenge them while hiding out in Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if these indictments were just for show.
We have spies all over the world. I guess we're all hypocritical dumb****s for trying to root them out here in the U.S. and if they're citizens, charging them with crimes involving the death penalty. Makes sense, or it's the dumbest talking point of all time - I'll go with the latter myself.
That's nonsense. The defendants wanted to see Mueller's case with zero intention of any of them actually presenting themselves for a trial and possible conviction and jail term.
"Intentionally steered our outcome?"
Not quite. That has been an ongoing claim from your side even before there was any Mueller investigation. That the ONLY way Trump could have won was by Russian support.
Yet there is NO evidence that this Russian action actually had any tangible effect on voting, such that it "steered the outcome" and caused Trump to win.
Meanwhile, if you recall, the DNC information hacks were all verifiably true; and I said back in 2016 prior to the election...what matter the source if the information is true?
Hillary was a bad candidate, Trump busted his ass in old-school "whistle-stop" campaigning that motivated voters to give him their electoral college votes in places the Democrats were so sure they were going to win they hardly bothered to even try to campaign.
Stop acting like the election was stolen, that dog don't hunt.
Anyone remember the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?
I found the shortest video version for your edification:
(Warning: Foul language.)
I bring this up because that's how I see many on the Progressive-Left and in the MSM acting ever since President Trump was elected.
Story after story about how some action by the Mueller investigation, or revelation by some anonymous information source, or even some side-show (like Stormy Daniels) is going to be "the wolf" that eats Trump, proving once and for all Trump stole the election through some dastardly trick.
That he'll finally be impeached, and the world will be all roses and sunshine again.
Yet each time the "Wolf! Wolf!" turns out to be nothing; a false alarm which raised hopes then had to be quickly dropped. Subsequently a new "revelation" occurs, and "Wolf! Wolf!" is cried loudly and clearly again only to end up with no wolf after all.
Most recently it is the indictment of 12 Russian GRU agents, one of whom pretended to be a Romanian hacker using the name Guccifer 2.0.
Apparently, per our wolf-crying peers, Roger Stone is now the new "certain connection" to Russian collusion which will finally tie all the loose strings together to oust Trump so that truth, justice, and the American Way will prevail. :roll:
Yet it all remains (as usual) blatant speculation and conspiracy theory touted as "Truth!" :yes:
Has anyone thought that it might be better to simply let the investigation run it's course?
That IF any actual tie to the President or his Administration FACTUALLY comes to light, and indictments are presented stating so, THEN would be the time to shout that a "Wolf!" has entered the fold?
Until then, all this "crying wolf" sounds like desperately bored and frustrated shepherd boys trying to keep relevant when they know there is no actual wolf.
Just like in The Boy Who Cried Wolf, if something ever does show up, the townspeople will just ignore it because they have no reason to believe you anymore.
Many people, including myself, are already there. Hence our silence when a new Anti-Administration thread is posted in the Forum which becomes an echo-chamber for the wolf-criers. :coffeepap: