The best thing democrats could do for themselves right now

[Deuce]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

Stop operating on a premise that Republicans give a shit about evidence or facts. There's no evidence you can show these people that will change their minds.

 

[Helix]

Biden won. The best thing that he can do is to keep working on the transition.

 

[pocket aces]

The AP is a questionable news source.

No it is not. You can take your fake news and shove it. The whiny bitch era is over.

 

[trouble13]

No it is not. You can take your fake news and shove it. The whiny bitch era is over.

It really does not matter what you believe. Your candidate will not be accepted as the legitimate president regardless of how many progressive organizations tells us he is. There will be a fair audit or there will be no peace.

 

[Yakshi]

Another Trump supporter thinks his opinions about voter fraud still matter.

 

[JasperL]

that's like letting kids count the inventory at a candy store and telling the owner there's no missing candy when instead of 250 pieces he had, only 200 remain.

we really should do a study mainly for the public to rest assured, not the people in charge.

So you don't trust the AP and you don't trust government, and if we had a rich donor fund the effort that would be bad, so who or what group is going to be given the authority to go under the hood in 50 states that you want examined, with access to all kinds of sensitive data, and who should pay for this pretty massive 50 state effort? Who would agree to the members so that the GOP and Democrats agree it's not biased, who'd lead this effort that both sides would agree on, etc.

There are groups like the Brennan Center who've been working on election security for a long time, but the GOP blocked all the efforts actually informed groups like that propose, so I have literally no idea who could do this thing and have the public buy into it across the aisles.

 

[Hypothetical]

So you don't trust the AP and you don't trust government, and if we had a rich donor fund the effort that would be bad, so who or what group is going to be given the authority to go under the hood in 50 states that you want examined, with access to all kinds of sensitive data, and who should pay for this pretty massive 50 state effort? Who would agree to the members so that the GOP and Democrats agree it's not biased, who'd lead this effort that both sides would agree on, etc.

There are groups like the Brennan Center who've been working on election security for a long time, but the GOP blocked all the efforts actually informed groups like that propose, so I have literally no idea who could do this thing and have the public buy into it across the aisles.

it does not take a 50 state effort to seize, study and report on certain types of voting machines used in key states and their vulnerabilities to voter fraud.

then if you find real problems, you can go more in depth an report so that at the least, these voting machines will never be used again.


why do you insist on making everything seem harder than it has to be?

 

[JasperL]

It really does not matter what you believe. Your candidate will not be accepted as the legitimate president regardless of how many progressive organizations tells us he is. There will be a fair audit or there will be no peace.

What's a fair audit and who pays for this effort?

That's the problem - there has been a 'fair audit' or will be when the states certify their votes and Biden is elected President, but the MAGA crew won't accept it no matter what's done. The Trump crew will move the goal posts until the bitter end and be claiming election fraud for the next 4 years. We know the outcome - nothing will satisfy a group of people that would send up Rudy and the crew to make baseless lies on national TV of a vast conspiracy for which they have NO EVIDENCE, or the people who believe them. This effort by Trump isn't a search for 'truth' or we'd be seeing different efforts, like recounts that would prove the bullshit Chavez etc. theory is made up. GA gave us that - didn't matter a bit.

 

[pocket aces]

It really does not matter what you believe. Your candidate will not be accepted as the legitimate president regardless of how many progressive organizations tells us he is. There will be a fair audit or there will be no peace.

No one cares what a bunch of losers who worship a little bitch accept.

 

[JasperL]

it does not take a 50 state effort to seize, study and report on certain types of voting machines used in key states and their vulnerabilities to voter fraud.

First of all, that wasn't my main point. Call it a 10 state effort, or 5 states, or just where Trump lost where he thought he might win effort - all those issues remain.

But you're wrong if you really want to check voting systems. Software in one machine can be changed in another, or in several. It might have the same backbone across platforms and precincts and machines, but obviously someone can insert malicious code in the machines in a single district or county if they have access to it. That's been proved time and again that the software is pretty easily hacked. So there's no substitute for a 50 state effort.

GA used Dominion voting technology across the state. They did a manual recount, and found NO issue with the count by Dominion software. Hasn't slowed the CT bullcrap a bit about Dominion systems in every other state Trump lost. So if you want to know whether the software counted right, there is no option other than looking at the software in every state, and in every precinct in that state. It's a MASSIVE undertaking.

Besides, as far as I know the states in question all used paper ballots. The way to check the software are manual recounts in those states. Trump doesn't want to pay for them, so who will cough up the $100 million or whatever except government, and who would do this count but government, because who can access ballots but government or those they approve, which means government is still driving the bus? These should be questions you can answer.

 

[trouble13]

What's a fair audit and who pays for this effort?

That's the problem - there has been a 'fair audit' or will be when the states certify their votes and Biden is elected President, but the MAGA crew won't accept it no matter what's done. The Trump crew will move the goal posts until the bitter end and be claiming election fraud for the next 4 years. We know the outcome - nothing will satisfy a group of people that would send up Rudy and the crew to make baseless lies on national TV of a vast conspiracy for which they have NO EVIDENCE, or the people who believe them. This effort by Trump isn't a search for 'truth' or we'd be seeing different efforts, like recounts that would prove the bullshit Chavez etc. theory is made up. GA gave us that - didn't matter a bit.

Each state should audit their election process and access the accuracy of the count and the accuracy of the custody chain of every vote. It should be done by a bipartisan commission and available to independent reviews.

 

[trouble13]

No one cares what a bunch of losers who worship a little bitch accept.

Right back at you

 

[pocket aces]

Right back at you

It is ok to be bitter. You will get over it though, and maybe someday you can come back to reality.

 

[trouble13]

It is ok to be bitter. You will get over it though, and maybe someday you can come back to reality.

I'm not impressed with your Jeune opinions

 

[JasperL]

Each state should audit their election process and access the accuracy of the count and the accuracy of the custody chain of every vote. It should be done by a bipartisan commission and available to independent reviews.

Fine, who will pay the $billion or more that would cost? You volunteering to kick in?

This was my point. States do an "audit" as part of their routine. That's why we register, then show ID at the polls, and they have books that record them, and they're supposed to balance. With mail in votes, they check my request against voter registration, in Tennessee check my signature, then again when I return my ballot. But Trump lost, poor little baby, so that's not enough anymore. It's been enough until he lost but now it's not - TRUMP LOST!! CANNOT BE TRUE!@!! So until Trump wins, you guys will NEVER be satisfied. Doesn't matter that states already do an 'audit' - we must have more until we get the result that we like!

So now we need ANOTHER audit, and by some silly commission, and available to other bipartisan "reviews." So I guess what needs to happen is they get this ballot and they need to somehow verify that it was cast by an eligible voter. But of course if they do that, this ballot (in my case straight D) belongs to JasperL, so let's see if we can verify the chain of custody of this ballot we can see and know the vote back to a named person, with the public looking on. Can you see the problem?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

Why didn't you suggest this 4 years ago? Because your guy won?

 

[What if...?]

So you claim all the Democratic officeholders who signed letters condemning the voting machines as inaccurate are all liars, right? Should they be impeached and removed from office for undermining our political system and elections?

20 years ago?

When the smart phone was still unheard of?

When you couldn't even dream of paying with a credit card by putting your phone near a NFC device?

When men not asking for directions was a common basis for jokes?

Way back then?

 

[less right]

Of course there is voter fraud. People are convicted of it all the time.

You should at least conform your points to observable reality. Particularly if you want to criticize other people’s knowledge.

Provide some examples of that observable reality please. The Heritage Foundation had to go back to 1982 to produce a list of 1125 convictions for voter fraud.

 

[MrPeanut]

that's like letting kids count the inventory at a candy store and telling the owner there's no missing candy when instead of 250 pieces he had, only 200 remain.

we really should do a study mainly for the public to rest assured, not the people in charge.

You're trying to tell me that several professional studies are like children in a candy store while you advocate for unnecessary measures because a 74 year old man stomped his feet and whined enough without providing any evidence of fraud? It may be hard for you to understand but most people know Trump lies a lot and do not need reassurance about this election. If you feel like you need reassurance I suggest you start by not blindly believing whatever some random right winger says.

 

[ataraxia]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

Maybe first they should do an independent investigation into Obama's secret birth certificate too, followed by really looking into that pizza joint in DC that Hillary is operating her pedophilia ring from!

 

[Sandy Shanks]

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

That has already happened. He is making a complete fool of himself. and even most Americans who support Trump do not like a President who is acting like a tyrant. Since he lost the election by six million votes, Trump has been acting like an emperor, and he hasn't addressed the American people in 18 days. We have a President who is scared to death of reporters' questions.

He won't be able to make a run for dogcatcher in 2024.

 

[Phys251]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

Imagine the hubris of the losing side of the presidential election telling us what we should and should not do.

 

[diz]

Provide some examples of that observable reality please. The Heritage Foundation had to go back to 1982 to produce a list of 1125 convictions for voter fraud.

Hmm, I’m not sure if your problem is with basic math or with basic English. It seems pretty clear that 1125 convictions is greater than zero.

 

[BlueTex]

Imagine the hubris of the losing side of the presidential election telling us what we should and should not do.

It's like they still haven't realized they LOST....

 

[Phys251]

It's like they still haven't realized they LOST....

Remember how they STILL wouldn't get over Gore's lawsuits even twenty years later? Despite the fact that he actually had a case?

They NEVER get to complain about that again. Ever.