The best thing democrats could do for themselves right now

[Hypothetical]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

 

[swing_voter]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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[joko104]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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So you claim all the Democratic officeholders who signed letters condemning the voting machines as inaccurate are all liars, right? Should they be impeached and removed from office for undermining our political system and elections?

 

[btthegreat]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

You do realize that bills have already come out of the House to fund state and federal efforts to minimize potential election tampering and protect the systems from hacking etc. The GOP Senate just let them die because they thought this bill might inhibit foreign actors ie Putin from helping their guy. All McConnell has to do is pick the damn bill out of the hopper, and send it to committee and amend it to include his favorite election fraud language and send it to conference committee. We can do 'the study' and we can send some funds to the states to modernize their systems, maybe buy better auditing software, or better machines.

 

[Hypothetical]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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i dont want a "news source" doing it, I want an independent contractor known for its trustworthiness, with combined party overseers to head a study on these damn machines that WILL be released to the public.

there are too many damn questions about these machines, and we need them answered verifiably now.

there is no damn reason a machine should have software tools to allow skewing the vote. that needs to be verified to be true or not, for one thing.

 

[Somerville]

i dont want a "news source" doing it, I want an independent contractor known for its trustworthiness, with combined party overseers to head a study on these damn machines that WILL be released to the public.

there are too many damn questions about these machines, and we need them answered verifiably now.

there is no damn reason a machine should have software tools to allow skewing the vote. that needs to be verified to be true or not, for one thing.

How about a government agency created during Trump's time in office, one led by a Trump appointee? Would you believe its' results?

 

[Hypothetical]

How about a government agency created during Trump's time in office, one led by a Trump appointee? Would you believe its' results?

I probably would, but I am not asking for a partisan effort like that. I am asking for both sides to oversee the testing.

 

[eohrnberger]

You do realize that bills have already come out of the House to fund state and federal efforts to minimize potential election tampering and protect the systems from hacking etc. The GOP Senate just let them die because they thought this bill might inhibit foreign actors ie Putin from helping their guy. All McConnell has to do is pick the damn bill out of the hopper, and send it to committee and amend it to include his favorite election fraud language and send it to conference committee. We can do 'the study' and we can send some funds to the states to modernize their systems, maybe buy better auditing software, or better machines.

If in reference to Pelosi's HR 1, it was an attempt at federal take over of what is and always has been Constitutionally specified State run elections.

Your attributing it to "they thought this bill might inhibit foreign actors ie Putin from helping their guy." says a lot about you.

 

[Somerville]

I probably would, but I am not asking for a partisan effort like that. I am asking for both sides to oversee the testing.

So you wouldn't trust the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency to provide accurate information in regards to computer problems with the vote count?

 

[Hypothetical]

So you wouldn't trust the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency to provide accurate information in regards to computer problems with the vote count?

nope. they were not contracted specifically for the purpose I am speaking of and I do not know where the money to pay them came from.

 

[Somerville]

nope. they were not contracted specifically for the purpose I am speaking of and I do not know where the money to pay them came from.

You are hilarious. Your sig line provides the reader with the legal basis for the Dept of Homeland Security's law enforcement authority and yet you don't know that CISA is the division of DHS created in 2018 specifically to monitor America's computerised electoral systems.

 

[Hypothetical]

You are hilarious. Your sig line provides the reader with the legal basis for the Dept of Homeland Security's law enforcement authority and yet you don't know that CISA is the division of DHS created in 2018 specifically to monitor America's computerised electoral systems.

what are you gabbing about? I sure as hell don't want DHS or any government entity doing the study.

 

[jnug]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

No need for them to do any of that. I wonder if Donald would think that would be the "best thing for him to do" if he was in the position Biden is now. Also, good luck convincing GOP members that won their elections that it would be best for them.

 

[diz]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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Of course there is voter fraud. People are convicted of it all the time.

You should at least conform your points to observable reality. Particularly if you want to criticize other people’s knowledge.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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Isn't that a bit like having foxes study if any chickens are stolen?

Jeff Epstein did a study and concluded that no sexual abuse of minors has ever occurred.....

 

[Craig234]

Either it would be an honest report, in which case it would say there is no fraud and trumpists would lie about it, or it would be a report of lies saying there was fraud. Neither does any good.

 

[MrPeanut]

Voter fraud has been looked into several times by different sources. It has never shown widespread abuse of the system. If Trump wants to overturn the election he must prove widespread fraud. It is not up to the Democrats to humor him.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Of course there is voter fraud. People are convicted of it all the time.

You should at least conform your points to observable reality. Particularly if you want to criticize other people’s knowledge.

All the time?

Do you have examples of this "all the time" phenomenon?

Yeah I don't think so.

 

[Hypothetical]

Voter fraud has been looked into several times by different sources. It has never shown widespread abuse of the system. If Trump wants to overturn the election he must prove widespread fraud. It is not up to the Democrats to humor him.

that's like letting kids count the inventory at a candy store and telling the owner there's no missing candy when instead of 250 pieces he had, only 200 remain.

we really should do a study mainly for the public to rest assured, not the people in charge.

 

[pocket aces]

I probably would, but I am not asking for a partisan effort like that. I am asking for both sides to oversee the testing.

This was the most secure election in history, and their is absolutely no proof of any widespread fraud. You are just mad your whiny little bitch boy lost.

 

[JasperL]

is to support an independent in-depth study into voter fraud, how the voting machines work and whether it is possible, even designed , into the machines to allow them to skew elections.

this way there would be no doubt, and Trump would lose tons of support, with almost no possibility of a 2024 primary going his way.

if everything is on the up and up then you have no worries, and millions of people will be satisfied with our election process, which will help the country lose the divide that has come between us.

on the other hand, lets see what happens in midterm 2022 , judging by the house losses, if you go trying to EO and pass all of the radical leftist measures without trying to bring the country together and abetting the worries of election fraud of 70 million people.

That's delusional. We already know if they're headed up or involve MAGAs the facts won't matter and they'll claim voter fraud or election fraud or Chavez made them do it no matter what the facts show.

We already have the Trump appointed head of his group responsible for election security claiming there was none, and it doesn't even make the grade for background noise for the MAGAs. Trump fired him for not toeing the ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM TRUMP!!! line. A whole series of legitimate lawyers took the cases and resigned because there's nothing there. So we're left with the deplorables crew, people whose integrity means nothing to them, and Rudy and Powell are spreading baseless lies and THAT is what the MAGAs believe. It doesn't matter that a manual recount in GA showed NOTHING. It doesn't matter than they're making claims that are nonsense on their face. So to think that a study of the elections in the 50 states (really, only the ones Trump lost or that are big cities with lots of minorities that Trump lost) will satisfy that crowd simply flies in the face of all the evidence from what we're witnessing right now.

I'm all for shoring up election security. You can do the search yourself and Democrats in the House passed a slew of them - roughly a dozen - and they all died in the GOP Senate. So yeah, let's mandate paper ballots, test the software, anything you want. That would be great. Democrats proposed bills that would do all that and the GOP said to them - **** you! They wanted state control and that means the 50 different systems for voting, the 50 different systems for registration, the 50 different recount rules, and all the rest. So if you want something actually done, write McConnell, or better yet vote Democratic next time and you'll get it.

 

[JasperL]

Of course there is voter fraud. People are convicted of it all the time.

You should at least conform your points to observable reality. Particularly if you want to criticize other people’s knowledge.

What is being alleged here by the Trump liars with no evidence is a vast conspiracy to commit election fraud, fraud by the counters, the software, etc. There's no evidence of that anywhere. The only "fraud" is that Trump lost, so there must have been fraud - the Democrat won!! That's the evidence.

Yes, in most states a handful or so very stupid or confused individuals are convicted of "voter" fraud every election. The numbers are trivial, literally you could count them AFAIK in EVERY state in a given election on your fingers and toes, generally on one hand.

 

[trouble13]

There are numerous studies into voter fraud. The Associated Press did one yesterday and found no evidence of fraud.

You just need to avoid questionable news sources.


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The AP is a questionable news source.

 

[trouble13]

You do realize that bills have already come out of the House to fund state and federal efforts to minimize potential election tampering and protect the systems from hacking etc. The GOP Senate just let them die because they thought this bill might inhibit foreign actors ie Putin from helping their guy. All McConnell has to do is pick the damn bill out of the hopper, and send it to committee and amend it to include his favorite election fraud language and send it to conference committee. We can do 'the study' and we can send some funds to the states to modernize their systems, maybe buy better auditing software, or better machines.

This isn't a federal issue. It is a state legislature issue. Reform has to happen at the state level.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

You do realize that bills have already come out of the House to fund state and federal efforts to minimize potential election tampering and protect the systems from hacking etc. The GOP Senate just let them die because they thought this bill might inhibit foreign actors ie Putin from helping their guy. All McConnell has to do is pick the damn bill out of the hopper, and send it to committee and amend it to include his favorite election fraud language and send it to conference committee. We can do 'the study' and we can send some funds to the states to modernize their systems, maybe buy better auditing software, or better machines.

Yep. Republicans voted against spending more money on election security. It seems they're only concerned about election security (or deficits) when they lose.

Be prepared for the fiscal responsibility lectures after Trump "spent like a drunken sailor." (Those are Ben Sasse's words)