"That's what you get for storming the stage! Attacker is left with a broken arm after tackling Dave Chappelle during Netflix gig:...."

[MrNiceGuy]

Crt..
You guys love to throw stones and shatter glass houses all the while screaming about the left doing this or that.

But you don't care..you'll just plow on

Whatever. The Left is responsible for its own idiocy. We don't have to ignore it, just because the right wingers can be crappy, too.

 

[Peter]

I don't understand why people who get easily offended go to bloody comedy events.
The whole point of comedians is to be controversial and if you can't handle that then maybe just don't go.

Either a comedian is able to take the piss out of everyone or he isn't.
I suppose it's why Jimmy Car hasn't bothered trying his act in the US as he's huge here but his show takes zero prisoners.
Thinking about it though we don't really do trans jokes here as it isn't an issue as being British we don't like to pry into people's private lives as a rule.

It would be interesting to see a study done on how differently the issue is handled in both countries as it's a none issue here.

 

[jmotivator]

Dave Chappelle is attacked on stage in LA

Isaiah Lee, 23, charged the stage at last night's Netflix Is A Joke event, tackling the comedian before being dragged off by security after Jamie Foxx rushed to help.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Dave Chappelle had some guy storm the stage and attack him. Article seems to say that it was some sort of response to his "trans" comments. But, I don't see where that was established.

That said, this appears to be the sign of the times. We have reached a point where people are getting overly upset by words. What is causing this? Is it actually worse than before, or is this being highlighted more now?

Free speech is more an ideal than a natural state. It has to be nurtured. I think through the history of the US there have been many times like this when the barbarians among us try to crush free speech through violence, I think the one thing that is somewhat unique in the US discourse today is that our institutions of higher learning are feeding the flames with the mantra of "speech is violence", rather than acting as the voice of reason.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The reality is the left has an issue with words coming from people like Dave. They want people to change their behaviors in how they speak. They can't handle certain jokes etc.
That being said the right has an issue with words and history. Crt being an example or a kids book showing two men or women as parents.
Crt which has has been basically made up from the get go.
Then you have trans or gay rights as an issue as well.

Neither side really has a moral high ground here when it comes to being snowflakes. The list just tends to be longer for the right than the left.

The Left has an issue with words and history. The 1619 Project and CRT being examples.

CRT only became a problem when that nonsense was foisted on children. It's an indoctrination technique to foster little activists - more like little Maoist Red Guard or "Parson's kids" from the book 1984 - get them read to denounce and rebuke!

CRT is made up, by the Left - it's a set of made up concepts. But what isn't made up is Left wingers trying to infuse it into primary and secondary schools.

It doesn't matter if either side has a moral high ground. The issue is whether both sides have the right to speak their nonsense. Nowadays, the Left thinks they have the right to spew their nonsense, but their opponents don't (because the Left carves out a convenient exception, that their opponents are "hate" and "bigotry" so that doesn't count as free speech to them.).

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I don't understand why people who get easily offended go to bloody comedy events.
The whole point of comedians is to be controversial and if you can't handle that then maybe just don't go.

Either a comedian is able to take the piss out of everyone or he isn't.
I suppose it's why Jimmy Car hasn't bothered trying his act in the US as he's huge here but his show takes zero prisoners.

The Left assigns themselves the role of "oppressed." The rest are "oppressors." Comedy which insults or bothers the "oppressed" is "punching down," and the Left thinks that is verboten. "No punching down! And, if you punch at us, that's punching down! We can say what we want about you, cuz that's punching up!" - that's the built in logic of the Left.

It's like how they say all white people or western people are racist, colonialist oppressors... so, all's fair as to them. Other colors are off limits, because they can't be racist, colonialist oppressors. Leftist-QED.

 

[jmotivator]

The same people that shit themselves over jokes about trans people would laugh at jokes regarding other people. **** them. Grow the **** up. Seriously...until they learn how to love themselves...EVERYTHING will be an insult. At some point maybe they will realize that the person they hate and loathe is NOT the comedian telling jokes...its that guy that stares back at them from the mirror.

There is an old saying that goes "If you can't make yourself happy then nobody can." I think that applies to the Left. They are uncomfortable in their own skin and seek to aleviate that by forcing others to feed their vanity.

 

[Peter]

The Left assigns themselves the role of "oppressed." The rest are "oppressors." Comedy which insults or bothers the "oppressed" is "punching down," and the Left thinks that is verboten. "No punching down! And, if you punch at us, that's punching down! We can say what we want about you, cuz that's punching up!" - that's the built in logic of the Left.

It's like how they say all white people or western people are racist, colonialist oppressors... so, all's fair as to them. Other colors are off limits, because they can't be racist, colonialist oppressors. Leftist-QED.

It's not just the Left in America it seems everyone does it.
Conservatives get angry at comedians for being socialists and it seems like the US has forgotten the point of comedy is to take the piss out of everyone.

 

[braindrain]

And you are such a genius, great argument




What kind of pathetic life does one have to have that this is what they do, go to forums and make moronic barely full sentence, no argument posts

What’s even funnier is you are so out of touch that you don’t realize just how well you are describing yourself with your post.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

It's not just the Left in America it seems everyone does it.
Conservatives get angry at comedians for being socialists and it seems like the US has forgotten the point of comedy is to take the piss out of everyone.

I've never heard anyone get mad at a comedian for being a socialist. Lots of conservatives are fans of George Carlin (RIP - socialist), and lots are also fans of Jimmy Dore (comedian, socialist).

Conservatives used to get mad at blasphemous comedy - or comedy that insults religion, but that is long ago now. Back when things like the movie "Dogma" came out, some religious conservatives would protest - however, they didn't hit anybody doing it. Nowadays, the conservatives in general ignore comedy, movies and other pop culture stuff that might be insulting to religion.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Free speech is more an ideal than a natural state. It has to be nurtured. I think through the history of the US there have been many times like this when the barbarians among us try to crush free speech through violence, I think the one thing that is somewhat unique in the US discourse today is that our institutions of higher learning are feeding the flames with the mantra of "speech is violence", rather than acting as the voice of reason.

Yes, and even worse, it's always "THEIR speech is violence. OUR speech is certainly not violence. " And, then they claim their actual violence is fine, because their goals and motives are pure.

 

[Plasmaball]

Whatever. The Left is responsible for its own idiocy. We don't have to ignore it, just because the right wingers can be crappy, too.

Who said you have to ignore it? I did not..
I said don't throw stones.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Who said you have to ignore it? I did not..
I said don't throw stones.

Why not? The Left throws stones all day long, figuratively and literally.

The Left wingers calling on their followers to "fight" and spewing other harsh rhetoric about this abortion decision are inspiring and inciting their followers to riot. https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/health-and-medicine/article261017792.html We want abortion! So, let's throw rocks and bottles at law enforcement officers! Smash their vehicles!

 

[Plasmaball]

The Left has an issue with words and history. The 1619 Project and CRT being examples.

CRT only became a problem when that nonsense was foisted on children. It's an indoctrination technique to foster little activists - more like little Maoist Red Guard or "Parson's kids" from the book 1984 - get them read to denounce and rebuke!

CRT is made up, by the Left - it's a set of made up concepts. But what isn't made up is Left wingers trying to infuse it into primary and secondary schools.

It doesn't matter if either side has a moral high ground. The issue is whether both sides have the right to speak their nonsense. Nowadays, the Left thinks they have the right to spew their nonsense, but their opponents don't (because the Left carves out a convenient exception, that their opponents are "hate" and "bigotry" so that doesn't count as free speech to them.).

What's wrong with history that they got wrong with crt amd the 1619 project?
Did they not have slavery back then? Did they not abandon whole ships of slaves for insurance money? While on those ships women and children had the option of being tied down or they were being raped by the crew.

Did they not sit of shore for months before making the trip over here?

Did they not slaughter whole groups for the misdeeds of one person? Did they not put their heads on pikes as warnings?

These things happened and no amount of crying about it is gonna change that. Kids and people should learn about this. ( at the appropriate age levels). We aren't some shining city on the hill. We have warts, and people should understand them.

Crt isn't about indoctrination..****ing hell that's stupid so we can just skip over that nonsense.

Crt isn't made up at all. You can easily link society amd race to how minorities have gotten hosed. From justice and law to house zoning laws. Crt as a wedge issue has been certainly blown out of proportion. It's filtered through a little bit but nothing like you are claiming it to be. Hyperbole is hyperbole.

Ah yes the left wants to shut down speech all the while hurling insults. Yeah dude. That's not gonna fly. You all are nasty with the insults.i see right and left wing people throwing insults like it's water.

You dontnhave the moral highground. You never will. You yourself sit there and constantly whine about leftist this amd leftist that because you use it as an insult as if they are inferior in their logic.

The real difference? You folk don't feel shame in the hypocrisy. You just plow on thinking you are super smart and know it all.

You aren't and that's evident from this post. Your mind is clearly made up.

Ugh it's too early to deal with you people

 

[Plasmaball]

Why not? The Left throws stones all day long, figuratively and literally.

The Left wingers calling on their followers to "fight" and spewing other harsh rhetoric about this abortion decision are inspiring and inciting their followers to riot. https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/health-and-medicine/article261017792.html We want abortion! So, let's throw rocks and bottles at law enforcement officers! Smash their vehicles!

I've already addressed the wokeness of the left and how annoying they are.

Oh noes..they said to fight for their rights to have an abortion...the...horror because that's exactly what the right is doing as well. Fighting for the right to limit abortion...

Seriously this is just dumb. You are acting like this is all shocking and new. It's not. It's so overly simple and stupid.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

What's wrong with history that they got wrong with crt amd the 1619 project?
Did they not have slavery back then? Did they not abandon whole ships of slaves for insurance money? While on those ships women and children had the option of being tied down or they were being raped by the crew.

I learned all about what you just mentioned long before CRT and the 1619 Project. They aren't clarifying that. However, 1619 Project was resoundingly debunked and repudiated by historians. For example, the 1619 Project argues that the patriots fought the American Revolution in large part to preserve slavery in North America. That isn't accurate. That's a false narrative. The protection of slavery was not one of the main reasons the colonies went to war. The whole idea of the 1619 project is to suggest that America begin in 1619, calling that date the "nation's true founding." The project says - although the nation’s “official birthdate” came long after, it is really “out of slavery—and the anti‐black racism it required” that “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional." That's not accurate or factual - that's a political narrative. The Project's assertion is that the American nation should not be viewed as having its genesis not in the Declaration of Independence, with its covenants of equality and liberty, but rather in a commercial transaction for human flesh. The “reframing” that the 1619 Project attempted is rooted in an ideology that views America’s political-economic foundation—that is, capitalism—as not just tainted by racism, but actually designed to immiserate minorities and enrich those on top. According to this worldview, racism is not a bug, but a feature of American institutions. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-gets-schooled-11576540494

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I've already addressed the wokeness of the left and how annoying they are.

Oh noes..they said to fight for their rights to have an abortion...the...horror because that's exactly what the right is doing as well. Fighting for the right to limit abortion...

Seriously this is just dumb. You are acting like this is all shocking and new. It's not. It's so overly simple and stupid.

I'm being facetious about the fight comments - that's what the Left points to in order to convict, in their minds, Trump and his supporters of inciting violence. He said to fight! Remember?

I'm "acting" like this is shocking, yes, because I had to sit through a year of ****ing Leftists claiming that if anyone on the right said to "fight" for something, it meant that they were calling for violence. Now when their side does it, it's "oh, pshaw! We're not literally saying to actually fight!" Right! That's why it isn't an incitement when your political enemies say it, either... get it?

 

[jmotivator]

What's wrong with history that they got wrong with crt amd the 1619 project?

Start here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248

The 1619 Project was interested in narrative, not facts.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

What's wrong with history that they got wrong with crt amd the 1619 project?
Did they not have slavery back then? Did they not abandon whole ships of slaves for insurance money? While on those ships women and children had the option of being tied down or they were being raped by the crew.

Did they not sit of shore for months before making the trip over here?

Did they not slaughter whole groups for the misdeeds of one person? Did they not put their heads on pikes as warnings?

These things happened and no amount of crying about it is gonna change that. Kids and people should learn about this. ( at the appropriate age levels). We aren't some shining city on the hill. We have warts, and people should understand them.

Crt isn't about indoctrination..****ing hell that's stupid so we can just skip over that nonsense.

Crt isn't made up at all. You can easily link society amd race to how minorities have gotten hosed. From justice and law to house zoning laws. Crt as a wedge issue has been certainly blown out of proportion. It's filtered through a little bit but nothing like you are claiming it to be. Hyperbole is hyperbole.

Ah yes the left wants to shut down speech all the while hurling insults. Yeah dude. That's not gonna fly. You all are nasty with the insults.i see right and left wing people throwing insults like it's water.

You dontnhave the moral highground. You never will. You yourself sit there and constantly whine about leftist this amd leftist that because you use it as an insult as if they are inferior in their logic.

The real difference? You folk don't feel shame in the hypocrisy. You just plow on thinking you are super smart and know it all.

You aren't and that's evident from this post. Your mind is clearly made up.

Ugh it's too early to deal with you people

You are confusing the teaching of history - which was always done. I learned everything you just listed in school, and I'm old.

CRT is a political movement. It sells the notion that instead of economic classes (classic Marxist thought of the oppressed vs oppressor classes based on economic status), instead of that, they claim western society is made up of racial classes - oppressor (white) and oppressed (dark) -- so that every institution in our country is steeped in racism, and even things that are not racist really are racist because ever system we have is racist. That's what CRT teaches. Or rather, it's a method of teaching - so when we learn of a system of government, we learn that it is racist - "Our Democracy" they say is racist -- and our economic system, capitalism, they say is racist, too. The proponents of CRT say this - and believe it - capitalism is rooted in racism, and is there to benefit the oppressor (white) and harm the oppressed (dark). That stuff is falls. It sells a false narrative on which to place our history, culture, law, government, politics, and economics.

I don't claim the "moral high ground." I don't need a moral high ground to know that CRT is shit.

The problem I have with much of the Left today is that they aren't even concerned with Logic and Reason - and they are decidedly postmodernist in that regard. The Left has adopted the notion that they don't even have to be logical or rational, because like everything else in western society, that's racist and oppressive to require people to be logical and rational. Reason is a western concept, colonialist, and racist. https://www.wsj.com/articles/good-western-logic-as-merely-white-privilege-oppression-11604865500

 

[Plasmaball]

Start here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248

The 1619 Project was interested in narrative, not facts.

Yeah I read it and it doesn't exactly say what you want it to say. So...

 

[Plasmaball]

You are confusing the teaching of history - which was always done. I learned everything you just listed in school, and I'm old.

CRT is a political movement. It sells the notion that instead of economic classes (classic Marxist thought of the oppressed vs oppressor classes based on economic status), instead of that, they claim western society is made up of racial classes - oppressor (white) and oppressed (dark) -- so that every institution in our country is steeped in racism, and even things that are not racist really are racist because ever system we have is racist. That's what CRT teaches. Or rather, it's a method of teaching - so when we learn of a system of government, we learn that it is racist - "Our Democracy" they say is racist -- and our economic system, capitalism, they say is racist, too. The proponents of CRT say this - and believe it - capitalism is rooted in racism, and is there to benefit the oppressor (white) and harm the oppressed (dark). That stuff is falls. It sells a false narrative on which to place our history, culture, law, government, politics, and economics.

I don't claim the "moral high ground." I don't need a moral high ground to know that CRT is shit.

The problem I have with much of the Left today is that they aren't even concerned with Logic and Reason - and they are decidedly postmodernist in that regard. The Left has adopted the notion that they don't even have to be logical or rational, because like everything else in western society, that's racist and oppressive to require people to be logical and rational. Reason is a western concept, colonialist, and racist. https://www.wsj.com/articles/good-western-logic-as-merely-white-privilege-oppression-11604865500

Institutional racism is a real thing. Again from law and justice to housing. From affirmative action to farm aid.

Lol what? That's not even close to true. The left gets caught up in context wars with people who don't give a shit about the context of an issue. You are of the party of bumper sticker logic. If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker it's too wordy for you guys. Interestingly enough it works very very well.

Reason isn't a western concept. Just no.

 

[Plasmaball]

I'm being facetious about the fight comments - that's what the Left points to in order to convict, in their minds, Trump and his supporters of inciting violence. He said to fight! Remember?

I'm "acting" like this is shocking, yes, because I had to sit through a year of ****ing Leftists claiming that if anyone on the right said to "fight" for something, it meant that they were calling for violence. Now when their side does it, it's "oh, pshaw! We're not literally saying to actually fight!" Right! That's why it isn't an incitement when your political enemies say it, either... get it?

I know what Trump did. It's akin to a motivational speaker Amping up the crowd over time. It's this need to hyperbole and push everything to the extreme. He bears responsibility in that.

You know that whole personality responsibility you all proclaim any time it's convenient for you till it's not.

You all want a woman to be personally responsible for her actions but somehow you look the other way when Trump says fight amd take back your country..but do it in peace, while fighting in a trial by combat " rudy".

Well no..that really depends on the context oh how one is saying fight. Leftist this and leftist that blah blah blah. You all post the same. I could change your tag out for vancemack and the posts would be the same.. leftists this and leftist that for all of societies ills.

It boring and lazy. You act like you are some victim of these folks and you really aren't at all.

 

[Plasmaball]

I learned all about what you just mentioned long before CRT and the 1619 Project. They aren't clarifying that. However, 1619 Project was resoundingly debunked and repudiated by historians. For example, the 1619 Project argues that the patriots fought the American Revolution in large part to preserve slavery in North America. That isn't accurate. That's a false narrative. The protection of slavery was not one of the main reasons the colonies went to war. The whole idea of the 1619 project is to suggest that America begin in 1619, calling that date the "nation's true founding." The project says - although the nation’s “official birthdate” came long after, it is really “out of slavery—and the anti‐black racism it required” that “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional." That's not accurate or factual - that's a political narrative. The Project's assertion is that the American nation should not be viewed as having its genesis not in the Declaration of Independence, with its covenants of equality and liberty, but rather in a commercial transaction for human flesh. The “reframing” that the 1619 Project attempted is rooted in an ideology that views America’s political-economic foundation—that is, capitalism—as not just tainted by racism, but actually designed to immiserate minorities and enrich those on top. According to this worldview, racism is not a bug, but a feature of American institutions. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-gets-schooled-11576540494

Yeah thats not exactly accurate. The context is ot wasn't a main reason for fighting and some historians disagree with the notion that it was, but it's gets a lot deeper than what you are trying to claim.. the 1619 project seems like a mixed bag of things and you are doing what people always do.

Take one thing and blow it up in order to tear down the whole thing and say you are right.

If jp and you are saying the same thing then my red flags are going up as this is nothing more than a talking point from the right. Which tells me you really didn't think out your answer or opinion to the matter.

 

[jpevans]

What I don't understand is why someone would go to see Chapelle in the first place if they don't like his humor. He's been around long enough to know what to expect.

Well, he did get his money's worth, saving the tackle 'til Chapelle was winding down. Caitlyn Jenner was once Bruce. That got the cancel comics group all bunched up.

 

[reinaert]

...should have slapped him for becoming a lazy comic. Even his idol, Pryor, would call this Chappelle out for being a boring dud who took the money and ran.

 

[jpevans]

These are people who go to the show precisely because they don't like the subject matter of the humor. They have come to believe they have a right to shut other people up. That's today's American Left.

Like the vice cops who bought tickets to see Lenny Bruce. I've seen nothing that decisively says the Tackler was offended by any trans jokes, he's also pretty good at pointing out racist views. Guess we'll have to wait & see if the dude says why he did it.